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As from the first pictures posted of the Indy I, the leather appears to be the main sticky point. Some people that have seen it personally love it, some not as much. I don't know that statistics play into it other than those concerning leather preference (which I believe Newton did the first serious work with).
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I'm just wondering what is different from how they imagined it since they have pictures to look at, was it stiffer than they imagined? softer than imagined? Darker than they figured? Too bumpy in person? etc. Was the drape different than they had imagined in their mind, etc.crismans wrote:As from the first pictures posted of the Indy I, the leather appears to be the main sticky point. Some people that have seen it personally love it, some not as much. I don't know that statistics play into it other than those concerning leather preference (which I believe Newton did the first serious work with).
This shot is the best I've seen so far. Much better than Chris King's.
It does look like the film jacket here. (I guess you have more SA body type than Chris' Mannequin)
From the pictures the leather looks stiff, how is it in life?
Can you make a photo with your arms straight down so we can see the relation of body length and sleeve length? Please?
Also, what size did you say you ordered?
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Okay, very last pics - this time with some more gear.
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I'm still trying to get used to mine.
Here's the issue (and this applies to most screen accurate vs accurate in person) observations.
The jacket looks PERFECT in photos. Definitely the best looking jacket I've seen photographed. However, in person, the leather really does take some getting used to. I STILL haven't decided if I like it in person yet, but there's no doubt that it looks spot on in pics.
The same thing can be said for Chris Reeve's Superman the movie costumes. In person, they are quite green but in pics and in the movie, it looks blue. Also, there's a very distinctive and "heavy" weave texture on the real Superman costume fabric which doesn't show up in pics.
More than ever before, I'm convinced that the customer has to decide if they want a jacket that looks in person like the jacket appears ON SCREEN or alternatively, do you want your jacket to have the same appearance in person as if you were to visit Ford on set filming Raiders.
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Here's the issue (and this applies to most screen accurate vs accurate in person) observations.
The jacket looks PERFECT in photos. Definitely the best looking jacket I've seen photographed. However, in person, the leather really does take some getting used to. I STILL haven't decided if I like it in person yet, but there's no doubt that it looks spot on in pics.
The same thing can be said for Chris Reeve's Superman the movie costumes. In person, they are quite green but in pics and in the movie, it looks blue. Also, there's a very distinctive and "heavy" weave texture on the real Superman costume fabric which doesn't show up in pics.
More than ever before, I'm convinced that the customer has to decide if they want a jacket that looks in person like the jacket appears ON SCREEN or alternatively, do you want your jacket to have the same appearance in person as if you were to visit Ford on set filming Raiders.
Chris
Whiskyman, I know you've been at this game much longer than I have but I really would wait a little while. Keep the jacket a week or so and see if it grows on you like IG and others have said. If not, then you can always get rid of it. Or you might grow to love it and be thankful you didn't sell it.
It looks simply amazing (in pictures). The B/W grain looks almost identical to the B/W publicity photos we've seen.
And let he who has not went through a 1000 of these jackets, throw the first rectangular slider.
It looks simply amazing (in pictures). The B/W grain looks almost identical to the B/W publicity photos we've seen.
And let he who has not went through a 1000 of these jackets, throw the first rectangular slider.
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The story of our lives.More than ever before, I'm convinced that the customer has to decide if they want a jacket that looks in person like the jacket appears ON SCREEN or alternatively, do you want your jacket to have the same appearance in person as if you were to visit Ford on set filming Raiders.
Guys, again, he said the leather was not to his liking. I'm not understanding why people aren't reading that. We judge too much by photos alone, but when wearing our own jacket it's almost 100% tactile.
With jackets, I have some belief in the love at first wear theory. And if not first wear, at least second wear.
With jackets, I have some belief in the love at first wear theory. And if not first wear, at least second wear.
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He doesn't like it, should be reason enough to sell it;)Indiana Holt wrote:why do you keep posting pictures of the jacket if you are getting rid of it??
its the best jacket I have seen on you.why are you getting rid of it again? the purpulish tones? c'mon man..keep it.
I dont get it Nick.
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We know, Dutch. Folks are just trying to understand WHY!
The main thing that everyone in these threads has tried to obtain is the most SA accurate looking jacket available. He got one, and has proved it again and again in his photos. It's absolutely dead on target....but he doesn't like the leather. Ok. So what DOES he want? As absolutely SA as one can get, or owner friendly? So far in the past 27+ years, no one has achieved the absolute SA part......so where does it stop? We've read some love the leather AND the look equally.
He's always been all about the appearance. He got it. He doesn't like the jacket. Folks are just wanting to understand the reasoning now. That's what a discussion site is about, especially one as tight a community as this one. We just want to make sure that if and when he sells it, we don't start reading posts later in the game of 'sellers remorse' due to this quick decision just after receiving the jacket. That's all.
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The main thing that everyone in these threads has tried to obtain is the most SA accurate looking jacket available. He got one, and has proved it again and again in his photos. It's absolutely dead on target....but he doesn't like the leather. Ok. So what DOES he want? As absolutely SA as one can get, or owner friendly? So far in the past 27+ years, no one has achieved the absolute SA part......so where does it stop? We've read some love the leather AND the look equally.
He's always been all about the appearance. He got it. He doesn't like the jacket. Folks are just wanting to understand the reasoning now. That's what a discussion site is about, especially one as tight a community as this one. We just want to make sure that if and when he sells it, we don't start reading posts later in the game of 'sellers remorse' due to this quick decision just after receiving the jacket. That's all.
Regards! Michaelson
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Exactly. ;-)RCSignals wrote:It means nothing.Indiana Strones wrote:What I see here is that there are two guys selling their brand new TN Indy I jackets, just five minutes after the bag/box opening, and NOT because of a wrong size problem. Does this mean something?
Surprised, IS? There's an old joke in the business world that said there are 3 kinds of liars in the word....liars, @#$% liars, and statisticians. ;-)
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And my reasoning (again, let me add my normal caveat that I'm not an expert--hmm, wonder when I actually become one? ) is that there have been a few people who own one of these that have said the leather, being different from what they were used to, was off-putting at first. After spending some time with the jacket, they have grown to really like the leather. I'd hate for anyone to sell it and then regret it later when you could wait and, if the love still isn't there, sell it without regret.
To be honest, the shortness of the Raiders jacket really threw me at first. I normally like a longer jacket (we're talking car coat length is great by me). But I wanted a more SA Raiders look and have been going with the shorter length. It's still throwing me some, but the more I wear it, the more accustomed I become to it.
But, hey, I'll be first to admit that my opinion is frequently worth less than 2 cents.
To be honest, the shortness of the Raiders jacket really threw me at first. I normally like a longer jacket (we're talking car coat length is great by me). But I wanted a more SA Raiders look and have been going with the shorter length. It's still throwing me some, but the more I wear it, the more accustomed I become to it.
But, hey, I'll be first to admit that my opinion is frequently worth less than 2 cents.
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that is a very strong point when i think about it. you dump $1K on something and you're not ga ga when you get it......it is hard to say, maybe i'll like it tomorrow. that is tough for some and tis 'a leap from the lions head'.Michaelson wrote:Sorry, but I've personally known people who have, so that doesn't wash.PSBIndy wrote:You shouldn't have to "grow" to like a $1,000 jacket.......like one doesn't buy a $250K Ferrari so that you can grow to like it.
Regard! Michaelson
the last time i dumped that much money for a jacket, i looked at it.....loved it.......looked at the price and thought, maybe i'll just put it on to see how badly it fits me, cuz then i won't want. then it fit me perfectly.......after that i didn't care what the price was.
i understand that now but i guess i had to get my grey matter stimulated by you fine folks
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Nick, I really feel like I missed the boat on this one. Sorry to hear that the Nowak wasnt your cup of tea. I hope whoever bought your jacket enjoys it. Im loving mine and everyday I wear it, it just gets more and more comfortable. It really is like the 'black spidey suit' minus the emo haircut ;-)
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I think you answered your own question. They were picked or made to look good on film. I think we build this stuff up in our minds to be bigger and better than what it is.Chris_King wrote:I'm still trying to get used to mine.
Here's the issue (and this applies to most screen accurate vs accurate in person) observations.
The jacket looks PERFECT in photos. Definitely the best looking jacket I've seen photographed. However, in person, the leather really does take some getting used to. I STILL haven't decided if I like it in person yet, but there's no doubt that it looks spot on in pics.
The same thing can be said for Chris Reeve's Superman the movie costumes. In person, they are quite green but in pics and in the movie, it looks blue. Also, there's a very distinctive and "heavy" weave texture on the real Superman costume fabric which doesn't show up in pics.
More than ever before, I'm convinced that the customer has to decide if they want a jacket that looks in person like the jacket appears ON SCREEN or alternatively, do you want your jacket to have the same appearance in person as if you were to visit Ford on set filming Raiders.
Chris
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That right there is the 'Smoking Gun'!BendingOak wrote:I think you answered your own question. They were picked or made to look good on film. I think we build this stuff up in our minds to be bigger and better than what it is.Chris_King wrote:I'm still trying to get used to mine.
Here's the issue (and this applies to most screen accurate vs accurate in person) observations.
The jacket looks PERFECT in photos. Definitely the best looking jacket I've seen photographed. However, in person, the leather really does take some getting used to. I STILL haven't decided if I like it in person yet, but there's no doubt that it looks spot on in pics.
The same thing can be said for Chris Reeve's Superman the movie costumes. In person, they are quite green but in pics and in the movie, it looks blue. Also, there's a very distinctive and "heavy" weave texture on the real Superman costume fabric which doesn't show up in pics.
More than ever before, I'm convinced that the customer has to decide if they want a jacket that looks in person like the jacket appears ON SCREEN or alternatively, do you want your jacket to have the same appearance in person as if you were to visit Ford on set filming Raiders.
Chris
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I really like the look of Whiskey's jacket in the pics, and also think it looks great on him,.....BUT he has to like it. If it's not what he expected, we shouldn't expect him to keep it. Whether it cost $1000 or $100. Why keep what you don't like.
I just want to say that it was great to see more pictures of the jacket (some of the best shots so far I might add), and it makes me want one even more.
Thanks Whisky for giving the jacket a shot, and sharing all the great pics.
Wish it was my size.
Mike
I just want to say that it was great to see more pictures of the jacket (some of the best shots so far I might add), and it makes me want one even more.
Thanks Whisky for giving the jacket a shot, and sharing all the great pics.
Wish it was my size.
Mike
With respect, I totally disagree. The price of the item is irrelevant to whether one can grow to like it. How many times have people taken time to get to know and like something? And once they do, they often end up loving it.PSBIndy wrote:You shouldn't have to "grow" to like a $1,000 jacket.......like one doesn't buy a $250K Ferrari so that you can grow to like it.
A friend let me borrow his $180,000 car which I thought stunk at first. I was really disapointed. Three weeks later, once I got to know it better, I decided it was fantastic.
The same thing can happen with movies. I thought Raiders was okay when I first saw it. I thought it was brilliant the second time. Astonishing by the third viewing.
And what about Holt and his custom HH LC jacket? He even put it up for sale at first. Now he loves it.
People change. They sometimes need to take a few days/weeks to settle on a view.
Oops.... long post about a simple idea... sorry.
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In that case for you it would seem 100% suitable for your mannequin display, which you said you bought it for.Chris_King wrote:I'm still trying to get used to mine.
Here's the issue (and this applies to most screen accurate vs accurate in person) observations.
The jacket looks PERFECT in photos. Definitely the best looking jacket I've seen photographed. However, in person, the leather really does take some getting used to. I STILL haven't decided if I like it in person yet, but there's no doubt that it looks spot on in pics.
The same thing can be said for Chris Reeve's Superman the movie costumes. In person, they are quite green but in pics and in the movie, it looks blue. Also, there's a very distinctive and "heavy" weave texture on the real Superman costume fabric which doesn't show up in pics.
More than ever before, I'm convinced that the customer has to decide if they want a jacket that looks in person like the jacket appears ON SCREEN or alternatively, do you want your jacket to have the same appearance in person as if you were to visit Ford on set filming Raiders.
Chris
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Yes. The search goes on for some people because the 'imagined' jacket does not exist.BendingOak wrote:I think you answered your own question. They were picked or made to look good on film. I think we build this stuff up in our minds to be bigger and better than what it is.Chris_King wrote:I'm still trying to get used to mine.
Here's the issue (and this applies to most screen accurate vs accurate in person) observations.
The jacket looks PERFECT in photos. Definitely the best looking jacket I've seen photographed. However, in person, the leather really does take some getting used to. I STILL haven't decided if I like it in person yet, but there's no doubt that it looks spot on in pics.
The same thing can be said for Chris Reeve's Superman the movie costumes. In person, they are quite green but in pics and in the movie, it looks blue. Also, there's a very distinctive and "heavy" weave texture on the real Superman costume fabric which doesn't show up in pics.
More than ever before, I'm convinced that the customer has to decide if they want a jacket that looks in person like the jacket appears ON SCREEN or alternatively, do you want your jacket to have the same appearance in person as if you were to visit Ford on set filming Raiders.
Chris
its as easy as this..
you have to grow to like coffe.then you love it and cant live without it..
exepct Michaelson...I am sure he had coffe in the milkbottle as a child..so its all natural to him..
you have to grow to like coffe.then you love it and cant live without it..
exepct Michaelson...I am sure he had coffe in the milkbottle as a child..so its all natural to him..
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Very well statedMichaelson wrote:We know, Dutch. Folks are just trying to understand WHY!
The main thing that everyone in these threads has tried to obtain is the most SA accurate looking jacket available. He got one, and has proved it again and again in his photos. It's absolutely dead on target....but he doesn't like the leather. Ok. So what DOES he want? As absolutely SA as one can get, or owner friendly? So far in the past 27+ years, no one has achieved the absolute SA part......so where does it stop? We've read some love the leather AND the look equally.
He's always been all about the appearance. He got it. He doesn't like the jacket. Folks are just wanting to understand the reasoning now. That's what a discussion site is about, especially one as tight a community as this one. We just want to make sure that if and when he sells it, we don't start reading posts later in the game of 'sellers remorse' due to this quick decision just after receiving the jacket. That's all.
Regards! Michaelson
I know what you're saying....but what it essentially means is that you're just trying to find ways to justify/defend your purchase. Nothing really wrong with that......but not the same thing as loving something right when you get it. The problem with taking time to like something is that in this day and age when we are constantly bombarded with new stuff all the time, things get ignored and later becomes a waste of money. If I'm lukewarm with a certain jacket that I just got in the mail, it goes into the back of the closet and collects dust, and I end up wearing the Indy jacket that's always been my favorite from the start.CM wrote:With respect, I totally disagree. The price of the item is irrelevant to whether one can grow to like it. How many times have people taken time to get to know and like something? And once they do, they often end up loving it.PSBIndy wrote:You shouldn't have to "grow" to like a $1,000 jacket.......like one doesn't buy a $250K Ferrari so that you can grow to like it.
A friend let me borrow his $180,000 car which I thought stunk at first. I was really disapointed. Three weeks later, once I got to know it better, I decided it was fantastic.
The same thing can happen with movies. I thought Raiders was okay when I first saw it. I thought it was brilliant the second time. Astonishing by the third viewing.
And what about Holt and his custom HH LC jacket? He even put it up for sale at first. Now he loves it.
People change. They sometimes need to take a few days/weeks to settle on a view.
Oops.... long post about a simple idea... sorry.
Cheers ;-)
No other jackets for me. After buying this baby, I'm broke. I'm wearing the thing even if it makes me break out in a hideous rash and appendages start falling off like clothes at a college kegger!PSBIndy wrote:
I know what you're saying....but what it essentially means is that you're just trying to find ways to justify/defend your purchase. Nothing really wrong with that......but not the same thing as loving something right when you get it. The problem with taking time to like something is that in this day and age when we are constantly bombarded with new stuff all the time, things get ignored and later becomes a waste of money. If I'm lukewarm with a certain jacket that I just got in the mail, it goes into the back of the closet and collects dust, and I end up wearing the Indy jacket that's always been my favorite from the start.
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No, I'm saying that you need to get familiar with some things before you like them (it's a relationship) and that jumping the gun or making a snap decision can be a bad thing. So it's nothing at all about justification - it's about getting to know something before you diss it. But I quite agree with you that in this day and age people make silly rush decisions (not referring to Whisky here) they often come to regret.PSBIndy wrote: I know what you're saying....but what it essentially means is that you're just trying to find ways to justify/defend your purchase. Nothing really wrong with that......but not the same thing as loving something right when you get it.
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I had a little of that experience with the darker novapelle, to me it looked kind of a grey-brown black in person, in photos it looked more brown than in person. As it wears and is distressed more of the black/grey comes off though.Chris_King wrote:I'm still trying to get used to mine.
Here's the issue (and this applies to most screen accurate vs accurate in person) observations.
The jacket looks PERFECT in photos. Definitely the best looking jacket I've seen photographed....More than ever before, I'm convinced that the customer has to decide if they want a jacket that looks in person like the jacket appears ON SCREEN or alternatively, do you want your jacket to have the same appearance in person as if you were to visit Ford on set filming Raiders.
Chris
I think Chris hit the nail on the head with the individual needing to make a distinction between a replica of the jacket as it looked on set and therefore acknowledging the fact it will contrast to expectation, as opposed to emulating a perception of a jacket rendered by light and shade on film.
The photographic evidence alone, especially the black and white images posted earlier, provide a compelling argument for this jacket. My end purpose is a static life size costume display so the fact the jacket being offered is purported to be an exact replica of one of the screen used jackets is a significant factor for me. ‘In the flesh’ assessments aside, I have to say that photos of this jacket being worn by their owners or mannequins alike have appeared nothing less than striking.
I’m new by the way, good to be here and hi to all.
The photographic evidence alone, especially the black and white images posted earlier, provide a compelling argument for this jacket. My end purpose is a static life size costume display so the fact the jacket being offered is purported to be an exact replica of one of the screen used jackets is a significant factor for me. ‘In the flesh’ assessments aside, I have to say that photos of this jacket being worn by their owners or mannequins alike have appeared nothing less than striking.
I’m new by the way, good to be here and hi to all.
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No other jackets for me. After buying this baby, I'm broke. I'm wearing the thing even if it makes me break out in a hideous rash and appendages start falling off like clothes at a college kegger!
.....sure no other jackets (when have I heard that before?)......maybe for 2008......better start saving up for 2009.....Tony's surprises for next year will really make your wallet scream.
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