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coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:49 am

Man I am sorry to hear that the jacket is not going to work for you... Is it just the lamb that you don't like or the fit? If it is just the lamb, maybe Tony would take it back in exchange for one in that dark cowhide that Bink displayed in his pix...

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:53 am

whiskyman wrote:

See what I mean? ;-)

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:56 am

Uh, no.

Regard! Michaelson

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:07 pm

Michaelson wrote:Uh, no.

Regard! Michaelson

it is referred to what I previously said to Whiskeyman but then forgot that I changed it...

everything looks good on him, that was my point lol
sorry if it was deleted

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:08 pm

Ah, understood! ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

DVD Connoisseur · Post by **DVD Connoisseur** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:44 pm

I think the jacket looks superb. Sorry you don't like it, whiskyman.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:10 pm

I dig it too, except for the leather. I know those who have it say it's just SO cool and you have to see it in person but really, if I don't like what I see in pics how will that change my opinion in person? I don't get that.

I know...I know...Tony will have other leather choices and I'm waiting patiently for that.

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:13 pm

I’ve sort have been on a personal crusade for a while now about how you get the least for your money with lambskin. In fact, I never thought that I’d own a lambskin jacket again. It’s just flimsy leather. However, I really like my TN Indy 1. And I really like the light feel of lambskin. It’s what the original Raiders jacket was.

With that said, my multiple goatskin G&B expeditions and water buffalo expo would all beat up and take a lambskin jacket’s milk money. Indy 5 should be called “Indiana Jones and the Doorknob of Doom” (credit to Dr. J on that one). Even though Tony says that it’s ok to go wild in this thing, you do get the voice in the back of your head saying, “I spent a grand on this thing”

. I don’t think that CS jacket owners have that problem. They know that the hide will hold up. My expeditions are sons that are not going to be “disowned” anytime soon.

It should also be said that the shrunken lamb that Tony is using is not just any shrunken lamb. It’s got a really fine and elegant texture to it. The graining is just right. I’m convinced that this is what the Raiders leather was. I’ve popped the movie in and paused and blown it up over the last couple of weeks and you see the same grain and texture in the fleeting shots where light is bouncing off the jacket just right. Film loses detail. Lee Keppler confirms that the “bellhop” jackets that Peter sent him in 1987 were made out of this same type of leather.

I’ll sum up the Tony Indy 1 like this. It’s a jacket for Raiders “freaks”. Other people might be better served with another jacket. With that said, I really love mine and am happy I got it.

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:32 pm

I think the jacket fits and looks great. Very Raiders! The hide is really growing on me.

Perhaps its just buyer's remorse? It does happen with big ticket items. Eventually you get over the "I can't believe I paid this much for this...[insert object]" and begin to appreciate why you bought it in first place.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:33 pm

sorry to hear you don't like the leather whiskey. like rundquist says, it's not for everybody.

i'd like to echo what bink said, the leather that i received for both versions of #010 is far from thin and flimsy.....that would be a todd's standard. i would put the leather weight and substance in the range of wested's authentic brown lamb, personally.

per my understanding, the lamb is 'shrunk' via an enzyme. when you get the jacket, it will feel kind of 2 dimensional when you first slip it on....kind of like if you just sewed 2 jacket patterns together and just threw it over your body. when you start wearing it and pulling at it per how your body is structured, the 'shrunk' lamb will be pulled back to its earlier state and hence the drape and the custom fit to the owner.....moreso than any other of the leather offerings as i am assuming that their 'elasticity' is much less.

if you need the fit and drape to be bang on out of the bag, this may not be the jacket as that is done through the dynamics of the hide. if you don't like the hide, then the answer is clear. i hope you manage to get reimbursed by a lucky buyer nick......and i hope you get that family vacation.....because, in the end...family is more important than any gear item you will find (even something that was worn by ford) ;-)

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:36 pm

even something that was worn by ford

Really? Ford actually tries on these jackets at Tony's before they're shipped out?

And here I thought they were just replicas. ;-)

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:44 pm

if i had a chance to own THE raiders jacket out of uncle george's office.....OR......take my family to disneyland for my daughter's first time.....i would easily choose the latter.

......of course upon returning from disneyland, i would enter into extensive negotiations in hopes of renewing said offer with whatever penalites associated........."you got your trip to disneyland.....now go play and let daddy talk to uncle george for a bit........." ;-)

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:02 pm

Indiana G wrote:if i had a chance to own THE raiders jacket out of uncle george's office.....OR......take my family to disneyland for my daughter's first time.....i would easily choose the latter.

......of course upon returning from disneyland, i would enter into extensive negotiations in hopes of renewing said offer with whatever penalites associated........."you got your trip to disneyland.....now go play and let daddy talk to uncle george for a bit........." ;-)

I’ll never set foot in that park again. Can’t stand the place, but that’s just me. I’m a dreamer.

The interesting thing is that Ford & Bernie had access to the jacket that Tony used. They deemed it a piece of #### and went with the Keppler G&B for CS. The irony for me is that I don’t really dig the CS jacket.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:07 pm

FINALLY! Someone else who can't stand the mouse. Well, I dig the mouse, just not the corporate hijacking of the dream. It's sad.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:22 pm

i truly believe that it is because of THE MOUSE that we don't see a gritty, nastier, indy as he was in raiders (since they are associated). CS indy was like everyone's grandpa imo.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:25 pm

Whisky, in the Cairo Bazaar pics the jacket colour looks very different, without any purplish hue. But I can see that hue in the other pics. Anyway the jacket looks very good to me.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:41 pm

I dont get this....

I would keep the jacket just for that it is THE jacket..thats a good enough reason for me.....

If you dont sell this then send it to me...even if it is 2 sizes to small...

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:43 pm

Whisky, I don't understand why you can't just return the jacket to Tony for a refund......did he say no?.....or did you ask Tony if he could make another one with a different hide......did he say no to that, too? (Tony is "world-famous" for his customer service, so I can't imagine him being not accomodating after the sale).

Clutters · Post by **Clutters** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:44 pm

The leather colour and distressing looks a lot like the leather I have on a real leather coat made in the mid 1930s. Hope that helps. I think it looks great, just not what we are probably used to seeing, per Wested et al.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:48 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:I dont get this....

I would keep the jacket just for that it is THE jacket..thats a good enough reason for me.....

The problem is: IS this THE jacket?

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:49 pm

I think the personal inscription inside the jacket might be a deal-breaker for some.....esp. for a jacket this expensive. It it removable?

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:50 pm

well I for one believe Tony when he almost screams that it is THE jacket..

so yes I think it is the jacket...even if it wasnt,it is still the closest match to date

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:56 pm

Whisky, I think the jacket looks fantastic, and fantastic on you. I see no similarity with the other two jackets you pictured, in fact they pale in comparison.
I also don't see any purple, some russet tones maybe.

But, it's your jacket and you have to be happy with it. I hope you don't regret selling it later.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:01 pm

Wow ! I really see what you mean with purplish undertone. Have you tried contacting Tony yet?

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:02 pm

well I love thew jacket..I would taken it if it has pink undertones.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:03 pm

Guys, I think he's unhappy with the leather and how durable he believes it to be vs. the price he paid - not how it looks.

As far as the inscription, I think that would be easy for a buyer to have removed and something else added by a good tailor or Tony himself. $250 off is a good deal, if it were my size I'd give a thought.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:05 pm

What is up with the xbox ! one jacket has it , the other doesn't?
Is he just alternating that between jackets?

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:06 pm

what!!

does it have a Xbox??? did you request that Nick??

aw man...dont get me started on this..

G, take over..

I am on vacation from this ;-)

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:09 pm

I'm sure Tony will take it back, all it needs is a new liner and some one Whiskyman's size and he's good to go.

WM I don't think you should sell it at a loss. See if Tony will take it back first. Like he said, the jacket wouldn't be for everyone. After all $1000 has a lot of customer servicing built in.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:14 pm

ohh pheew..

forget about it G..I just had a closer look ..No X

Hey dutch..were did you exactly see that X again?

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:14 pm

Just curious, does Tony have a refund policy?

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:20 pm

I have to agree with the others. I'd talk to Tony first and see what you could come up with. You can always sell it later if nothing works out.

I'm really sorry you don't like the jacket. It looks fantastic and great on you.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:31 pm

What I see here is that there are two guys selling their brand new TN Indy I jackets, just five minutes after the bag/box opening, and NOT because of a wrong size problem. Does this mean something?

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:36 pm

Not sure, IS.

I just took a tally of the classified section. I found 18 jackets for sale....only one TN, a couple Wings, and the rest Wested.

What does that tell YOU?

It doesn't tell me a thing, but hey, if you like statistics, there's some data points for you.

Regards! Michaelson

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:43 pm

The well given HUGE price differential between the TN and Westeds, it's no surpise that more Westeds are up for sale.....because much more people own them.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:51 pm

Indiana Strones wrote:What I see here is that there are two guys selling their brand new TN Indy I jackets, just five minutes after the bag/box opening, and NOT because of a wrong size problem. Does this mean something?

It means nothing. Where is the second for sale?

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:52 pm

IS, there is only one TN for sale, where did you get 2? Chris King hasn't decided to sell his, or anything.

Anyways, it's too early to calculate percentages with "one." I understand Whiskeyman's misgivings about the jacket. Given his choice of hide in the past (goat and horsehide), I suspect he's looking for a real world jacket, and the shrunken lamb seems more of a prop/costume hide. I want an Indy I, but I'm hoping for a horsehide option before I commit.

Of course, I am a 40R...

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:57 pm

Yes I was referring to Chris King.

If anyone is interested in buying this jacket, please contact me because I may consider selling it if I just can't get used to the leather. My name is not written on the inscription, so it's perfect for anyone else to own.

Chris

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:05 pm

Indiana Strones wrote:Yes I was referring to Chris King.

If anyone is interested in buying this jacket, please contact me because I may consider selling it if I just can't get used to the leather. My name is not written on the inscription, so it's perfect for anyone else to own.

Chris

He hasn't mentioned that since. I get the impression he may have changed his mind

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:09 pm

Baldwyn wrote:IS, there is only one TN for sale, where did you get 2? Chris King hasn't decided to sell his, or anything.

Anyways, it's too early to calculate percentages with "one." I understand Whiskeyman's misgivings about the jacket. Given his choice of hide in the past (goat and horsehide), I suspect he's looking for a real world jacket, and the shrunken lamb seems more of a prop/costume hide. I want an Indy I, but I'm hoping for a horsehide option before I commit.

Of course, I am a 40R...

I think the shrunken lamb is more of a 'real world' give it heck hide than most Lamb hides.

OH OH, whisky's jacket is a 40R

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:14 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Baldwyn wrote:IS, there is only one TN for sale, where did you get 2? Chris King hasn't decided to sell his, or anything.

Anyways, it's too early to calculate percentages with "one." I understand Whiskeyman's misgivings about the jacket. Given his choice of hide in the past (goat and horsehide), I suspect he's looking for a real world jacket, and the shrunken lamb seems more of a prop/costume hide. I want an Indy I, but I'm hoping for a horsehide option before I commit.

Of course, I am a 40R...
I think the shrunken lamb is more of a 'real world' give it heck hide than most Lamb hides.

OH OH, whisky's jacket is a 40R

I KNOW I KNOW. I just crashed my motorcycle this morning on a particularly slick rainy day, so I suddenly I have replacement parts to buy, or I'd really try to convince my wife we need this jacket more than say a family holiday

As for the "shrunken lamb" real world hide, I'm just going by what whiskey had to say (having not seen or handled it)

whiskeyman wrote:I am disapointed in just how thin and flimsy this leather is. It reminds me of the plastic foam they use to pack audio gear. I'm also convinced it's the same type of leather that Todd used on his prototype. The colour, stretchiness and even smell are identical and the texture is pretty similar. But Todd's jacket was only somewhere around the 200 mark rather than the 1000 mark. Granted, he didn't phone me three times in the middle of the night.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:39 pm

Baldwyn wrote:
RCSignals wrote:
Baldwyn wrote:IS, there is only one TN for sale, where did you get 2? Chris King hasn't decided to sell his, or anything.

Anyways, it's too early to calculate percentages with "one." I understand Whiskeyman's misgivings about the jacket. Given his choice of hide in the past (goat and horsehide), I suspect he's looking for a real world jacket, and the shrunken lamb seems more of a prop/costume hide. I want an Indy I, but I'm hoping for a horsehide option before I commit.

Of course, I am a 40R...
I think the shrunken lamb is more of a 'real world' give it heck hide than most Lamb hides.

OH OH, whisky's jacket is a 40R
I KNOW I KNOW. I just crashed my motorcycle this morning on a particularly slick rainy day, so I suddenly I have replacement parts to buy, or I'd really try to convince my wife we need this jacket more than say a family holiday

As for the "shrunken lamb" real world hide, I'm just going by what whiskey had to say (having not seen or handled it)

Read what Rundquist and Indiana G say about the leather above.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:46 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:ohh pheew..

forget about it G..I just had a closer look ..No X

Hey dutch..were did you exactly see that X again?

No I meant that one TN jacket has x stiches on the strap and the next one doesn't etc
this one doesn't have them. yet two of the four jackets on this board now do.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:58 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:ohh pheew..

forget about it G..I just had a closer look ..No X

Hey dutch..were did you exactly see that X again?
No I meant that one TN jacket has x stiches on the strap and the next one doesn't etc
this one doesn't have them. yet two of the four jackets on this board now do.

Which besides #001 has X stitch? Indy G's?

(this X-stitch on the TN jackets was all discussed in another thread)

indy1936 · Post by **indy1936** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:58 pm

Michaelson wrote:
Mike wrote:Not specifically, Michaelson's better at time tables than I am. But I know my early 90's was as well as my Lambstouch had the darker hues. I think it was shortly before the Authentic Lamb, but don't quote me on that.
My first custom direct order lambskin from 1996 did, as well as my first lambtouch as well, so I can at least date it to that year.

Regards! Michaelson

Thanks for the info!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:09 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:ohh pheew..

forget about it G..I just had a closer look ..No X

Hey dutch..were did you exactly see that X again?

in the jacket samples that bink photographed, i saw a number of variations in the design including anchor stitching......as of now, it looks like the design is per what hatch and i (the 1st time) got.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:28 pm

Keep in mind that some of the sample jackets were prototypes for the sake of trying different hides, and not intended to the "the" jacket.

Actually, Strones, if you like statistics, do a count of how many jackets Whiskeyman has purchased only to sell later on. (Sorry, Nick, couldn't resist.) ;-)

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:34 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:Keep in mind that some of the sample jackets were prototypes for the sake of trying different hides, and not intended to the "the" jacket.

Actually, Strones, if you like statistics, do a count of how many jackets Whiskeyman has purchased only to sell later on. (Sorry, Nick, couldn't resist.) ;-)

ahhhhhhh statistics.....i went into the final exam of statistics CLUELESS.....and i still passed. gotta love the bell curve.

speaking of statistics, we can add the number of expeditions that rundquist has owned or currently owns.......heck......count all of his g&b jackets and yet he still finds acceptance in the TN offering. i can't compete with rundquists closet....but i can perhaps compete with his indy jacket collection ;-) .......and in my humble opinion, this is THE raiders jacket..........(still would like to examine an expo closeup).......

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:23 pm

In my opinion, the only THE Raiders jacket(s) were the ones used in the film. Everything else are just replicas. That being said, I love all my replicas.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:02 pm

whiskyman wrote:Here's the jacket being worn. Not the best shots and I shouldn't really wear such a big jumper underneath, but I'm ill so that's why no decent outdoor shots.
I have to add, I'm in no way unhappy with Tony- he made the jacket perfectly and it really does have the classic raiders look. I just had a very different idea of how this leather would be in person, and it's not at all what I want a leather jacket to feel like. That's MY problem though.

So, what stands out that makes the leather different in person than what you thought it would be like, what does it feel like etc.?