all right chris. you, amongst other enlightening evidence, have got me sold now on the collar and the way you positioned it.....it's funny how you change a perspective of a photograph and see different things .
the back looks great and she hangs off the shoulders nicely. the collar on my new jacket is just a tadd longer on both sides and a hair thicker (i'm wearing it right now). i believe it works better with my brauny shoulders.... that women love so much.........(uhm....mrs. g???? what's so funny over there????).
anyways, i believe your jacket to be more SA than i thought it was so let me publically recant my words with a side dish of crow
I tried to take a couple of photos which sort of matched up with the screengrab of Indy outside the entrance to the temple.
I used the width of the stormflap as the "scaling point" and was very surprised to see that the Nowak pockets actually don't look too big at all compared to the real jacket.
Awesome job with your rig, CK. You know what I love about the pics the way you have them posted is that they're not as close up as some of the others that were posted. Your pics of the jacket (and Bink's come to mind as well), because of the step back to get the overall experience, most closely resemble the jacket the way we have seen it in the movie thus far (the HD broadcast aside which I missed). By that I mean the cut of the jacket and the grain of the leather have never looked more spot on than what I see in the picture of the ensemble you have created.
We have all looked so close at the jacket and simply ignored the limitations theatrical film when up on the big screen (the bigger it gets the less sharp it looks - which is why God created IMAX ;-)), the inherently lower resolution of DVD (which as good as it is/was is still only 720 by 480 in resolution in NTSC) and thousands and thousands of images found posted on the Internet or screen caps in books in magazines - mostly low res images in the iteration that we've seen them. But there are some pictures out there that show a glimmer of the truth like the still photograph press shots or images properly culled from the master film reel. The shot in this thread that is of Indy just before they enter the temple is an example of one of those. It shows more detail in the jacket than a lot of other pictures even though I would still call it weak resolution-wise. Enlarge it and the limit of the available detail becomes quite clear.
Indiana G wrote:all right chris. you, amongst other enlightening evidence, have got me sold now on the collar and the way you positioned it.....it's funny how you change a perspective of a photograph and see different things .
the back looks great and she hangs off the shoulders nicely. the collar on my new jacket is just a tadd longer on both sides and a hair thicker (i'm wearing it right now). i believe it works better with my brauny shoulders.... that women love so much.........(uhm....mrs. g???? what's so funny over there????).
anyways, i believe your jacket to be more SA than i thought it was so let me publically recant my words with a side dish of crow
Chris_King wrote:Here's an interesting comparison to ponder.
I tried to take a couple of photos which sort of matched up with the screengrab of Indy outside the entrance to the temple.
I used the width of the stormflap as the "scaling point" and was very surprised to see that the Nowak pockets actually don't look too big at all compared to the real jacket.
Chris
Tony's really good humored about the fans telling him what the jacket “is supposed to be” (even though we’ve never seen one up close). It was very interesting for me to look at the old pages of this thread. Although I never said anything bad about Tony’s jacket, I was one of the self appointed “experts” that wasn’t totally on board with the “dino hide” (shrunken lamb). While I agree that some of the jackets in the movie had some smoother areas, it’s still kind of embarrassing for us as a community to never have realized that some of the jackets had textured lambskin (a skin that has literally been right under our nose for years & years).
Tollan wrote:the only difference seems to be the placement of the press-stud. Otherwise that looks spot on!!
The press stud on the pocket of the movie jacket is way off where you'd expect it to be. Haphazardly placed.
This seems like an apt time to use the term "screen idiocy". # When you get to that level it reminds me of Jimmy Stewart trying to turn Kim Novak into Grace Kelly. Weird. Not commenting on either of your guy's observations, more on someone that would return a jacket based on the placement of a hiden press stud. You guys are people too. I recognize your right to ask for whatever you want.
Tollan wrote:the only difference seems to be the placement of the press-stud. Otherwise that looks spot on!!
The press stud on the pocket of the movie jacket is way off where you'd expect it to be. Haphazardly placed.
This seems like an apt time to use the term "screen idiocy". # When you get to that level it reminds me of Jimmy Stewart trying to turn Kim Novak into Grace Kelly. Weird. Not commenting on either of your guy's observations, more on someone that would return a jacket based on the placement of a hiden press stud. You guys are people too. I recognize your right to ask for whatever you want.
I know what you are referring to. My comment was made to point out that the screen jacket press stud is in a less than perfect spot. I doubt many people would notice it but those that might would likely be upset by it if on a jacket ordered from one of today's makers.
The TN jacket has the press stud in a spot you'd expect to find it. If that means less SA then 'too bad'
I'd rather have a jacket like the TN, built with craftsmanship, and for the real world.
OK, I got it wrong. Looking at Mr King's latest photos. Wow! That jacket looks good enough to eat. I think it looks just like the movie version in those photos in a way that most other jackets don't. I really like that wrinkly lamb.
Wow, that is very impressive. That does look like the film when other jackets miss. Now because of this, I have some legit questions...
What does this mean for Wested? They are going to have some major competition now? Or are they going to get a copy of this jacket and start making their jackets to the exact same specs? I'd be curious.
And I've looked through countless posts, but what's the price for this jacket? I can't seem to find it, and it's not on Novaks site as far as I can tell.
its a 1000 dollars.the wested is 213 bucks.and no I highly doubt that wested will get a copy of this and start making their own.
anyways the wested is pretty acurrate if you just get the right specs on your order.
the jacket above in chris Kings photos is THE cut,length and hide,but I suspect it has some fan made mods on it to mke it more acurrate.mods that you find on agent5's spec sheet
WhipDude wrote:Wow, that is very impressive. That does look like the film when other jackets miss. Now because of this, I have some legit questions...
What does this mean for Wested? They are going to have some major competition now? Or are they going to get a copy of this jacket and start making their jackets to the exact same specs? I'd be curious.
And I've looked through countless posts, but what's the price for this jacket? I can't seem to find it, and it's not on Novaks site as far as I can tell.
The TN Raiders 1 goes for something like $1K for the shrunken lamb. To me, this really isn't anything that poses any threat to Wested...or Todd's, Magnoli, US Wings, or G&B for that matter. I mean how many gearheads have that much disposable income to throw around for a jacket?.....esp. in this economy. I have a feeling though that knowing Peter (from Wested), he is eventually going to make something similar for far less money. I personally can't wait to see how his new TOD jacket turns out.
Those pics look great, Chris. The pocket does look okay when seen from different angles. The first pic you posted made them look too tall but the new pics show it much better. The leather still looks a little weird but I'd have to see it in person to get the proper perspective. Word on the street is that it's the bee's knee's. I can't wait to see what else Tony has down the pike.
Has any of this settled in yet or do you still feel you need more time?
If Tony lowered his price by a few hundred bucks I'd buy one, no doubt. I can afford it at 1K but simply refuse to spend that much for a single jacket. It's beautiful, I love it, and I'm sure the quality is top-notch, but I feel the price is just too high.
The price is due to the shrunken lamb he uses which is hard to source. I believe it's been stated that the Indy 1 in other hides will be the same price as the CS jacket.
binkmeisterRick wrote:The price is due to the shrunken lamb he uses which is hard to source. I believe it's been stated that the Indy 1 in other hides will be the same price as the CS jacket.
Yes, but then, if it's not the magical shrunken lamb, then what's the point? The one that people are going head-over-heels for...and the one everybody is saying "That's the Raiders!" is the shrunken lamb. If you're going to pay close to $800 for a jacket, why settle?.....a couple hundred more gets you the Big Kahuna.
Tollan wrote:the only difference seems to be the placement of the press-stud. Otherwise that looks spot on!!
The press stud on the pocket of the movie jacket is way off where you'd expect it to be. Haphazardly placed.
This seems like an apt time to use the term "screen idiocy". # When you get to that level it reminds me of Jimmy Stewart trying to turn Kim Novak into Grace Kelly. Weird. Not commenting on either of your guy's observations, more on someone that would return a jacket based on the placement of a hiden press stud. You guys are people too. I recognize your right to ask for whatever you want.
there's that 'screen idiocy' term again......i'm gonna blow rundquist!!!!!!
Indiana Holt wrote:its a 1000 dollars.the wested is 213 bucks.and no I highly doubt that wested will get a copy of this and start making their own.
anyways the wested is pretty acurrate if you just get the right specs on your order.
the jacket above in chris Kings photos is THE cut,length and hide,but I suspect it has some fan made mods on it to mke it more acurrate.mods that you find on agent5's spec sheet
On the other hand, we may just be seeing a return to the original specs of the copied jacket? It was stated a while back that some corrections were made? one of these may have been the lining up of the rear sleeve seam with the rear yoke bottom seam. Someone will have to ask Tony to be sure.
Tollan wrote:the only difference seems to be the placement of the press-stud. Otherwise that looks spot on!!
The press stud on the pocket of the movie jacket is way off where you'd expect it to be. Haphazardly placed.
This seems like an apt time to use the term "screen idiocy". :-# When you get to that level it reminds me of Jimmy Stewart trying to turn Kim Novak into Grace Kelly. Weird. :[ Not commenting on either of your guy's observations, more on someone that would return a jacket based on the placement of a hiden press stud. :- You guys are people too. I recognize your right to ask for whatever you want. :mrgreen:
there's that 'screen idiocy' term again......i'm gonna blow rundquist!!!!!! :o :shock: :x :twisted: :twisted:
SLAP!!!!
ahhh.....thanks CM.....i'm all good again...... :lol:
Thanks for all your comments guys. I'm glad that seeing the jacket with the rest of the gear has made people see that this really does have a direct lineage to one of the original jackets. It certainly opened my eyes up to this fact.
Regarding the specifics of what I got. I only asked for four things to be changed. Everything else is a direct copy of the original (as far as I'm aware). Here's what I asked Tony to include on mine:
1. Extend back panel all the way out to the shoulder seam.
2. Drop the sleeve seam down by one inch below the top of the back panel.
3. Put the 1/4" piping at the top of the pockets.
4. Move the left pocket so that the front edge of it was 1 inch away from the stitching of the stormflap.
This shrunken lamb really takes a while to get used to it though. I'm still not 'into it" yet. I guess it's because all I've ever seen / owned is the smoother lambskin jackets in the past.
so the jacket slydini has IS the replica of the jacket Tony had..your jacket was given the mods to make it more SA.which is fine by me..cause it really looksSa.
Yes, I'm presuming that slydini got the exact copy. However, that concerns me a bit because the pockets on his jacket were clearly not the same as the jacket in the screengrab I've shown earlier. Previously I thought that screengrab was from the Elstree set, but it appears Ford IS wearing the Hawaii location jacket there and since we get a really clear view of the pocket, you'd think that slydini's jacket should have been exactly what we've subsequently requested on our jackets.
Chris
Indiana Holt wrote:ahh thanks Chris.
so the jacket slydini has IS the replica of the jacket Tony had..your jacket was given the mods to make it more SA.which is fine by me..cause it really looksSa.
absolutely gorgeous jacket, man! Having just ordered my wested raiders I already want a new one seeing this.... and the obsession continues >.> Tony seems to (to quote John Hammond in another Spielberg film) 'spare no expense' on these things... I'm truly impressed and if I'm to ever order another jacket it will be either a wested or from him:) Just hope I find myself a much better paying job so I can one day work up to that perfect outfit that evokes the Indy spirit!
Chris_King wrote:Yes, I'm presuming that slydini got the exact copy. However, that concerns me a bit because the pockets on his jacket were clearly not the same as the jacket in the screengrab I've shown earlier. Previously I thought that screengrab was from the Elstree set, but it appears Ford IS wearing the Hawaii location jacket there and since we get a really clear view of the pocket, you'd think that slydini's jacket should have been exactly what we've subsequently requested on our jackets.
Chris
Indiana Holt wrote:ahh thanks Chris.
so the jacket slydini has IS the replica of the jacket Tony had..your jacket was given the mods to make it more SA.which is fine by me..cause it really looksSa.
Is there any other evidence that the scene right outside the temple entrance was filmed outside? The lighting looks like a set to me....Do we know for certain this is the same jacket as the Hawaii shots? (other than guessing at screen grabs)
I'm fairly sure Tony told me the pockets were not correct on the 001 jacket and that the lack of piping was an oversight. But then, I'm usually asleep when he calls me...
whiskyman wrote:I'm fairly sure Tony told me the pockets were not correct on the 001 jacket and that the lack of piping was an oversight. But then, I'm usually asleep when he calls me...
Hmmm, I would be very curious to know if this is true or not. I'm sure I'll speak to Tony before I get mine so I could always ask him but it makes me wonder....so Slydni's had slightly "off" pockets and this was simply an oversight on Tony's part? And from here on out they'll look like Bink's, Hatch's, etc?
Glad Chris's pics have finally brought so many to see what can be seen in real life .........Man I''ve got to get a mannequin ..looking forward to G's pics.....as well as other leathers.......Hatch
indyrocks wrote:
Is there any other evidence that the scene right outside the temple entrance was filmed outside? The lighting looks like a set to me....Do we know for certain this is the same jacket as the Hawaii shots? (other than guessing at screen grabs)
i was just watching that this morning. i believe it is in hawaii from what i have read and seen. there were visits to the actual film location by a member(s) and remnants of the foam rocks that made up the temple entrance was still there. also, if you look when indy pokes his head into the entrance, you can see at the top part of the screen that there is some sky peeking through the jungle.
Is there any other evidence that the scene right outside the temple entrance was filmed outside? The lighting looks like a set to me....Do we know for certain this is the same jacket as the Hawaii shots?
Just watch the movie, dude. It's pretty obvious it's not a set.
Top of pockets flaps. Everyone mentions 'piping' but is it 'piping' or the type of seam at the top of the flap? 'Piping' to my knowledge indicates an added piece rolled around a core. What I see on the jacket top is not that, just a part of the flap piece rolled over at the top. there is a specific name for this kind of seam or hem but I can't recall it now.
Good point RCSignals.
I incorrectly used the term piping but as Whiskyman corrected stated, it's just folded over and the stitched line is apporx 0.25 inches down from the top of the folded piece.
Just an incredible looking jacket. I cannot wait for mine to get here (but I must, I must).
I'm in Holt's camp on the confusion side though. I meant to ask Tony about Slydini's jacket but forgot when we were on the phone the other day. It's seems that his jacket was built differently than the other jackets that followed (from Hatch onward). What accounts for this difference (I posted what I thought accounted for it on another thread but I'm not sure and don't want to spread misinformation)?
crismans wrote:Just an incredible looking jacket. I cannot wait for mine to get here (but I must, I must).
I'm in Holt's camp on the confusion side though. I meant to ask Tony about Slydini's jacket but forgot when we were on the phone the other day. It's seems that his jacket was built differently than the other jackets that followed (from Hatch onward). What accounts for this difference (I posted what I thought accounted for it on another thread but I'm not sure and don't want to spread misinformation)?
I think the #001 jacket was not a one for one in size. It's mentioned in the other thread. The sizing up altered a few things.
Tony will know for sure.
Apparently the pocket flap top seam was an error or oversight. I'm not sure about the shape of the bottom of the pockets, but If I'm not wrong the shape of the bottom of the pockets is similar to the G+B jackets.
As for the side strap buckles, it is possible that the jacket TN copied as it is now had the double rectangular sliders, but originally either a two prong as on G's or a tribar. According to G the original had holes in the side straps.
I know Tony states an exact spot/frame to view the jacket he copied in the film, but I don't doubt it is the only place it is used. Just that it is confirmed at that place in the movie
How exactly can you confirm that statement by looking at that blurred, fuzzy and almost silhouetted pic? I can't make anything useful or definitive out of that pic.
As I said, my Nowak jacket actually covers the rear pockets on my NH pants completely and in my opinion, it looks plenty long enough.
It's all down to the length of the torso. When I put the Nowak jacket on, it WAS too short for me but my torso is longer than the mannequin (and presumably Ford's).
Chris
PLATON wrote:Nice jacket BUT, I said it once and I will say it again.
IT IS SHORT.
Look at the photo
This means the jacket TN copied was not the ONE HF wore in Hawaii.
i believe that the jacket is alot shorter than what we thought previously. i always wondered how ford could get his holster rig to be so accessible as well as the level of his mk vii with the buckle in the middle of his chest. i've had problems with my set-up as i've always requested a 25 3/4" back.
i was there platon.....i argued that it was longer too. but from what i've observed in the idol grab sequence....i've concluded that no, it wasn't that long as i thought. plus, there are some nice visual illusions at play with the back flap being shorter than the front of the jacket. take imam's house.....the jacket looks long when viewed from the front as he's juggling the date....then he turns around and leans on the wall and his pocket flaps are showing. "be wearry of your thoughts annikan.....they betray you........."
I so agree with you G.how can we work the jacket with the holster thingie?
it does not work with todays wested longs or maby even regs.depends on your torso..take me for example..I can not make it work with a wested that is 26.50'' or longer backlength..I get a bunched up jacket in the sides and back ..I hate it..with a 25'' jacket I could make it work...
my personal length for a jacket is 25.5'' that doesnt make it feel stupid short..like I outgrew the jacket or something..know what I mean? it feels just right on my torso..I think if I was to put on a jacket with the backlenth of 23.5'' I would feel pretty stupid in public...
TN confirmed that my first personal thoughts on the raiders jacket length is short! I am glad he came with his jacket offering...makes it all so easier in the future
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When did he confirm the hero had the Xbox?
My jacket does NOT have the xbox. On the front part of the strap which attaches to the side panel, it's just two vertical lines of stitching spaced apart.
On the rear part of the strap attached to the back panel, it's a "K" stitch.
Chris
Indiana Holt wrote:Platon.the jacket may appear longer because we dont see Fords whole body.so we dont get the whole picture..
the raiders jacket was shorter jackets.Tony confirms that.just like he confirms that the hero had the Xbox.
yes that is how Todd does it.I believe Indiana G had Tony make the jacket with the ''K''stitch and the empty box on the pulling strap. G?
the jacket slydini has,the jacket that is suppose to be an exact copy of THE jacket has two piece rec sliders and the Xbox.thereby TN supports the theory about the Xbox being on the hero.
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# When you get to that level it reminds me of Jimmy Stewart trying to turn Kim Novak into Grace Kelly. Weird. 
Not commenting on either of your guy's observations, more on someone that would return a jacket based on the placement of a hiden press stud. 
