TONY NOWAK IS REPLICATING AN ORIGINAL RAIDERS JACKET!!

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:47 pm

indyrocks wrote:
whiskyman wrote:
indyrocks wrote:What's up with this universal Les Paul love? Yes, they are beautifully and well made. But fairly undiverse. You get one sound with a Les Paul. You can just do so much more with a strat.....

Ok ok back on topic now sorry!
Well I flipped the magnet of my front pickup à la Peter Green - which gives a wider tonal range. But I just like the more substantial feel of a Les Paul. It's like holding a piece of furniture.

Anyway, jackets... I'm proud to be the first person in Austria to be receiving Tony's Raiders jacket. Should be here at the beginning of December.
What was the turnaround time that Tony quoted you whiskyman?

Yeah I kinda wondered about that too, did you also order it in shrunken lamb or any other leather?

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:50 pm

I think the good news is that Tony has all of the leathers in stock and so the wait is just going to be based on production of the jacket now matter which leather is chosen.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:52 pm

Rundquist wrote: With all due respect (to anyone that likes the Crystal Skull jacket or had anything to do with its creation), it just is not as cool as the Raider jacket that TN is offering (in my opinion). The CS jacket is a better-designed jacket for sure, but it just doesn’t have the swashbuckling mystique of that Raider jacket. That jacket is the A-bomb.

I wouldn't even necessarily say the CS jacket is better-designed. I found movement to be easier in my G&B, and I'm wondering if it's the gussets. I also find the yoke on the CS jacket too a bit too low to let the action pleat be functional. All of this leads to the sleeves having to be longer than before. You tend to move in the jacket, vs the jacket moving with you. I don't believe it's the fit of my CS jacket, either. Indy's jacket has similar characteristics.

Of course, interior pocket design, collar construction and other details on the CS jacket are very nice.

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:13 pm

Baldwyn wrote:
Rundquist wrote: With all due respect (to anyone that likes the Crystal Skull jacket or had anything to do with its creation), it just is not as cool as the Raider jacket that TN is offering (in my opinion). The CS jacket is a better-designed jacket for sure, but it just doesn’t have the swashbuckling mystique of that Raider jacket. That jacket is the A-bomb.
I wouldn't even necessarily say the CS jacket is better-designed. I found movement to be easier in my G&B, and I'm wondering if it's the gussets. I also find the yoke on the CS jacket too a bit too low to let the action pleat be functional. All of this leads to the sleeves having to be longer than before. You tend to move in the jacket, vs the jacket moving with you. I don't believe it's the fit of my CS jacket, either. Indy's jacket has similar characteristics.

Of course, interior pocket design, collar construction and other details on the CS jacket are very nice.

It's pretty much impossible to beat a G&B on design. I was talking generalities. A standard G&B expedition in goat is probably the Indy Jacket world champ for functionality & toughness. A TN Raiders is still made out of lambskin (albeit a great thick lambskin). The expo. is made for the reel world, if nothing else. Not that a TN isn't built tough, but we are talking lambskin & goatskin here.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:32 am

Tony said he could get the jacket to me by Dec.2nd. I dearly hope so as I'm travelling to Britain the next day and I'd really love to be able to take it with me.

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:52 am

Jacket number 27 will be here on Thursday!
Looking forward to seeing what Tony's done with this.

Chris

Indiana Williams · Post by **Indiana Williams** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:58 am

Chris_King wrote:Jacket number 27 will be here on Thursday!
Looking forward to seeing what Tony's done with this.

Chris

Im looking forward to seeing your opinions on the jacket, Chris.
Best Regards,
Joe

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:11 am

Oh great

And I'll be attending at a German TV show in southern Germany on Thursday! DARN!!!

Looking forward for your review Chris.

Regards,

Marc

P.S.: Have anyone of you guys had the same problems with getting in touch with Tony?

Indiana Williams · Post by **Indiana Williams** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:16 am

Marc wrote:P.S.: Have anyone of you guys had the same problems with getting in touch with Tony?

It might take him a couple days but if you email him he will get back to you.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:20 am

Marc wrote:Oh great

And I'll be attending at a German TV show in southern Germany on Thursday! DARN!!!

Looking forward for your review Chris.

Regards,

Marc

P.S.: Have anyone of you guys had the same problems with getting in touch with Tony?

Yep Marc, I emailled him and asked for some leather samples but haven't heard anything.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:30 am

I'd like to see a that leather first hand as well, before spending a grand on a jacket...

Regards,

Marc

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:50 am

Chris_King wrote:Jacket number 27 will be here on Thursday!
Looking forward to seeing what Tony's done with this.

Chris

I can't wait to see some pictures and read your thoughts on the jacket!

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:11 am

Me too. In fact I'd just like to see more pictures fullstop. Bink, how about some more pics of yours?

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:41 am

Funny thing is I talked to Tony last night regarding leather samples. He said what he hates about samples is that folks expect an entire jacket to look like the 4 inch square sample they see, when the characteristics of leather are generally more varied overall. He told be it takes 6 lamb hides to make a single jacket, so it's impossible to expect one tiny sample to account for multiple animals.

Another thing I've begun to notice with my shrunken lamb Indy 1 is that the leather has a life of its own. The more I wear it, the more it naturally stretches and smoothes out in some areas or reacts to how it folds, etc.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:47 am

IMO the samples are just a little more touchable and better to see the hide from then from pictures, I mean with a sample you can touch it and see it for yourself, Its not an uncommon thing in this sort of business.... and it could attract potentional customers.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:49 am

whiskyman wrote:Me too. In fact I'd just like to see more pictures fullstop. Bink, how about some more pics of yours?

Here's what I've got off hand:

Also, the pics of the shrunken lamb in the Nowak Comparison thread I started are of my jacket.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:52 am

Dutch_jones wrote:IMO the samples are just a little more touchable and better to see the hide from then from pictures, I mean with a sample you can touch it and see it for yourself, Its not an uncommon thing in this sort of business.... and it could attract potentional customers.

I don't disagree. There's something about have a tactile sample to see and feel. But I can see his point that some people would expect an entire jacket to look as "uniform" as a small sample. The six jackets I saw in person had a lot more going on in the leather than what a small sample would show. But if you want samples, what's it hurt to ask?

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:12 am

Wonderful! Thanks Bink.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:13 am

Great pics!

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:32 am

Thanks, guys. I figured you'd appreciate at least one "action shot" of it.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:32 am

binkmeisterRick wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:IMO the samples are just a little more touchable and better to see the hide from then from pictures, I mean with a sample you can touch it and see it for yourself, Its not an uncommon thing in this sort of business.... and it could attract potentional customers.
I don't disagree. There's something about have a tactile sample to see and feel. But I can see his point that some people would expect an entire jacket to look as "uniform" as a small sample. The six jackets I saw in person had a lot more going on in the leather than what a small sample would show. But if you want samples, what's it hurt to ask?

Well nothing

its just a matter of receiving a reply from him hehe! I certainly have to say after seeing your jacket, it looks ALOT better than the other two from what we could see so far, no offense guys, but this looks like a jacket made for you ! perfect fit...

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:32 am

If bink's jacket looked that good then, I can only imagine how much better it's draping now after a few weeks of regular wear.

That's the neat thing about lambskin regardless of maker....they form fit pretty fast, and only get better with regular wear.

Regards! Michaelson

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:33 am

Well, it WAS a jacket made for me, Dutch!

According to what Mr. King said to me when discussing measurements in PMs, my jacket is just 1/2" off from Ford's, so I think Harry must have some long legs!

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:36 am

Michaelson wrote:If bink's jacket looked that good then, I can only imagine how much better it's draping now after a few weeks of regular wear.

That's the neat thing about lambskin regardless of maker....they form fit pretty fast, and only get better with regular wear.

Regards! Michaelson

Most certainly. It just keeps getting better the more I wear it. I met up with Mike Sunday afternoon so he could take a look at my jacket. He tried to give it back by handing me a different jacket!

That every gearhead who sees this jacket in person wants to steal it off my back, it confirms to me this jacket's got the mojo!

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:38 am

Thanks for the photos bink that way I had my fix of Indy I for the day

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:40 am

When is your jacket due in, Speed?

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:45 am

binkmeisterRick wrote:When is your jacket due in, Speed?

I don't know Tony didn't give any time frame. Last friday he sent me a mail telling me it won't be long from now, so I wait.

But it's hard to wait when I see those photos ;-) but at the same time it help endure the waiting.

Post by **Mike** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:05 am

binkmeisterRick wrote: I met up with Mike Sunday afternoon so he could take a look at my jacket. He tried to give it back by handing me a different jacket!

Just be sure to NOT look at the tag when you put it on.

…Oh wait that's it…Tony ran out of tags and decided to use a G&B, so there's nothing wrong with your jacket.

;-)

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:33 am

Tell you what, Mike, when I see you eating off that "fine china" of yours, then maybe I'll consider a trade. Consider, that is. ;-)

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:40 am

binkmeisterRick wrote:That every gearhead who sees this jacket in person wants to steal it off my back, it confirms to me this jacket's got the mojo!

Well, you know that would never happen with me.

Considering the difference in our size, from past discussions, I could only get it over one shoulder.

Regards! Michaelson

Nebraska Brad · Post by **Nebraska Brad** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:27 pm

Those jackets are looking better and better to me. I for one really like the look of the shrunken lamb. I think I need to sell off a jacket or two and give Tony a call...parting is such sweet sorrow.

-Nebraska

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:31 pm

Nebraska Brad wrote:Those jackets are looking better and better to me. I for one really like the look of the shrunken lamb. I think I need to sell off a jacket or two and give Tony a call...parting is such sweet sorrow.

-Nebraska

Or take my route and buy the jacket and then scramble to unload stuff to pay for it.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:55 pm

crismans wrote:
Nebraska Brad wrote:Those jackets are looking better and better to me. I for one really like the look of the shrunken lamb. I think I need to sell off a jacket or two and give Tony a call...parting is such sweet sorrow.

-Nebraska
Or take my route and buy the jacket and then scramble to unload stuff to pay for it.

yup.......your wife's stuff. come on now, what does someone need a COACH purse for when a grocery bag from safeway will do just as good of a job? she's just a little too spoiled these days

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:58 pm

Indiana G wrote: yup.......your wife's stuff. come on now, what does someone need a COACH purse for when a grocery bag from safeway will do just as good of a job? she's just a little too spoiled these days

HEEEYYYYY...Indiana G, wasn't I just TALKING about how I don't wear my wedding ring any more?

jacksdad · Post by **jacksdad** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:43 pm

Great jacket Bink looks great, someday I must get my hands on one of those. Man Tony is a big guy. But from what I hear a heart of gold.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:07 pm

Although I think Bink's jacket is one of the nicest Indy's I've seen in some time I'm still not sold on the collar. As Holt has recently pointed out and I have for years, the collar on the main hero jacket seems different than the rest of the jackets. It appears, or is longer than the others. Now, I know the jacket Tony copied may not and probably did not have this feature but I've always wanted to get down to the bottom of why this was so I can adjust the specs for any future orders I'd make.

According to Tony this is the jacket he copied and as you can see this collar is more adjusted and even than the pics above.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:33 pm

#010/888 is being cut right now $\:D/$

.......and yes, i have addressed the collar issue in this 'second coming'........amongst some other small tweaks

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:34 pm

btw chris king........tony mentioned you will have yours shohrtly

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:38 pm

Agent 5 I think the collar in both pictures you posted looks ALot like the collar you find on the Coyle's (todd's) Standard and custom indy jackets..

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:47 pm

Yes, according to the FedEx tracking info, I will receive it tomorrow!

It will take me a few minutes to pluck up the courage to open the box. I desperately don't want to be disappointed by the "dino hide" !!!

Chris

Indiana G wrote:btw chris king........tony mentioned you will have yours shohrtly

Post by **Holt** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:48 pm

Todds collar is good.but we are talking about the longer neck/collarstand that hangs more to the front.Todds looks like a wested with only pointier tips.

and look how the collar stands up in the neck and still dropes to the front of the chest.

I have seen no jacket that does this...

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:53 pm

I have seen no jacket that does this...

my todd's washed lamb did that easily......but the proportional measurements did not make for a great fitting jacket.

i asked tony to ensure that my collar sits below my shirt collar as seen in the pics and that the lapels are proportioned respectively.

here's hoping that he nails it....which i am quite confident that he will

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:15 pm

You're like, his biggest spokesman, aren't you, G?

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:18 pm

I just thought of something. I recall reading that Ford traded off jackets with the stunt people. Perhaps Ford is wearing what was to be a stunt persons jacket which accounts for the longer collar. If one of the stuntmen had a much larger neck then the jacket would have been to their size, not Fords. If Ford just grabbed jackets as he did hats then it is reasonable to say thats why the collar is a bit larger/longer than on other jackets.

Todd has said he believes that since the shirt is never buttoned up all the way that the costumers intentionally made his shirt collar smaller to give him a more heafty appearance since he was so thin, thus making the jacket collar appear longer. I'm not buying that in the least but it is another theory on the table.

What say you, Holt?

Post by **Holt** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:41 pm

I am with you agent5.dont believe it.but yes another theory....

I believe that the neck on the orignal jacket was cut deeper to the front so the collar hangs more to the chest.I said to peter that I want this to be done and it shoud be no problem.I even have spoken to a tailor about this here in Norway.she said what I said above.cut the neck deeper to the front so the collarband becomes longer.

just look at this,even though I have the jacket a little pushed back in the neck,the collar would still be an inch or so shorter if I had the jacket on like ford has in the picture.

standard wested collar compared with original.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... iasion.jpg

CM · Post by CM » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:48 pm

agent5 wrote:I just thought of something. I recall reading that Ford traded off jackets with the stunt people. Perhaps Ford is wearing what was to be a stunt persons jacket which accounts for the longer collar. If one of the stuntmen had a much larger neck then the jacket would have been to their size, not Fords. If Ford just grabbed jackets as he did hats then it is reasonable to say thats why the collar is a bit larger/longer than on other jackets.

Todd has said he believes that since the shirt is never buttoned up all the way that the costumers intentionally made his shirt collar smaller to give him a more heafty appearance since he was so thin, thus making the jacket collar appear longer. I'm not buying that in the least but it is another theory on the table.

What say you, Holt?

_ wrote that all the jackets made for the films were exactly the same size. Any differences were simply down to individual cutting/distressing differences. In other words, they supplied X number of jackets for Raiders, all in size 40. I like Todd think the collar differences are down to minor differences in cutting and stretching/water treatment done to make the jacket look old.

jacksparrow900 · Post by **jacksparrow900** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:48 pm

see where my collar ends on
my todd's

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... D=46899137

here's the collar lying down

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... D=46899149

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:08 pm

Is it possible that Ford was a lot scrawnier than we imagined? I mean he looked awfully thin in his Solo shots for Star Wars. It would make sense that a person with a smaller weight and frame would make a normal sized collar appear disproportioned to their size? Just an idea since his actual physical dimensions are not well documented. And when they are there from his publicist, agent or studio.

If anyone remembers the movie Tango and Cash, Stallone walked on a platform every time he was shown next to Kurt Russell to appear equal in stature, this is Hollywood.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:40 pm

jacksparrow900 wrote:see where my collar ends on
my todd's

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... D=46899137

here's the collar lying down

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... D=46899149

?

scot2525 · Post by **scot2525** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:46 pm

If I am not mistaken COW and Myspace don't mix. I cannot view your pictures.