NH Whip Holder useless?

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:32 pm

Does anyone else have the experience of the NH whip holder being pretty much useless? I have a Noel Howard holder, and also a Todd's adjustable, and I find that the Todds is the only one I can use.

The Noel Howard, while more aesthetically pleasing, doesn't appear to be functional, as no matter what I do, the whip slips out.

whipitgood · Post by **whipitgood** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:34 pm

What size is the whip? Maybe the holder is made for a specific size.

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:39 pm

Hmmm. Well, the whip is a 8ft 12 plait. I'm not sure what size whip the holder is for. I bought it along with a belt and holster from another COW user.

whipitgood · Post by **whipitgood** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:44 pm

I had a 10' 12 plait whip that fit perfectly in my whipholder, but when I switched to an 8' whip, it just doesn't work anymore. This might be your problem.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:46 pm

NH Whip Holder useless?

Pretty much yes

It's usually well known that the NH holster can rarely keep a whip in place.

In the film a nylon wire was used to hold the whip on it so, unless you want to wrap nylon wire around the whip and onto the belt, the NH whip holder won't be very functional.
I guess you might do some tricks like increasing the thickness of the inside part somehow. I'm sure someone experimented something like that.
I rarely wear the whip with the NH gear, when I do it's only for still poses

Wade Egan · Post by **Wade Egan** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:59 pm

Actually, my dissatisfaction with most of the whip holders that I have purchased from NH and other vendors is what prompted me to start making holders myself.

We all know that there are things done behind the scenes of a movie making props appear to be functional when in fact they are not. The whip in the films was secured with chord under the holder and out of site of the camera when not in use. Not very practical if you want to use it.

My dilemma was to find gear that ACTUALLY WORKS in a hostile and demanding environment. In the end I couldn't, so I've begun making my own. I design the gear with actual adventure use in mind while still trying to keep as SA as possible. It wasn't a big jump from the belts and gear I was making for other industries, and it's a lot more fun.

As maboot has found out, a regular snap isn't going to hold anything in place just walking down the stairs much less jumping from a moving vehicle or riding a horse at full speed. Not sure if that's what you want to do, but at least you have the option of holders that will stand up to that abuse.

W.E.

Post by **Dalexs** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:22 pm

Another problem is that the whip holders themselves don't tend to be too grippy.

Some ofthe folks here have solved that by gluing pieces of rubber on the inside of the holder.
I've never done it, as my 10' fits well (although I do experience whipslip every so often.)

Might be worth a shot.

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:27 pm

Right now at least the Todd's I have holds it in place because I can adjust it with velcro. It's just that the leather doesn't match the belt. Small detail I guess.

I'll save the NH holder for my manequin to wear when my movie room is done.

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:24 pm

Dalexs wrote:Another problem is that the whip holders themselves don't tend to be too grippy.

Some ofthe folks here have solved that by gluing pieces of rubber on the inside of the holder.
I've never done it, as my 10' fits well (although I do experience whipslip every so often.)

Might be worth a shot.

I've approached my NH whip holder much like Dalexs' suggestion above. I used a small strip of the same material that's used to keep rugs from slipping on hardwood floors (it's got good grip but it's not sticky, and it's lighter than rubber). It's also used to line the shelves in kitchen cabinets as a cushion for glasses and dishes. I simply used a little thread to hold it in place on the inside of the whip holder, and it's worked beautifully - no slippage with my 10' Morgan whip and no change in the screen-accuracy of the belt configuration!

Kind regards,
Craig

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:55 pm

I asked Noel about this --- he said (especially on Raiders) the whip holders fell open all the time, and they tied the holder closed with some fishing line or nylon something for scenes when he didn't have to remove the whip. (this also prevents it slipping)

So, the answer is, very very screen accurate, but not so functional.

I have a Todd's adjustable on my LC belt, and it is great. (could be a little darker but no big deal)

IndianaBogart · Post by **IndianaBogart** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:28 pm

Right now at least the Todd's I have holds it in place because I can adjust it with velcro. It's just that the leather doesn't match the belt. Small detail I guess.

Umm, check me if I'm wrong, but if you're going for the Raiders look, the whip holder isn't the same color as the belt. Right?

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:30 pm

IndianaBogart wrote:
Right now at least the Todd's I have holds it in place because I can adjust it with velcro. It's just that the leather doesn't match the belt. Small detail I guess.
Umm, check me if I'm wrong, but if you're going for the Raiders look, the whip holder isn't the same color as the belt. Right?

On the NH Raiders belt/whip holder, it is all the same color.

IndianaBogart · Post by **IndianaBogart** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:36 pm

Oh ok. I wasn't sure. Thanks for that clarification.

Gah, and I thought my Todds rig was SA!

Time to spend more money.

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:14 pm

A screen accurate Raiders whip holder should be:
A) Riveted to the gunbelt
B) Similar in colour to the gun holster

Don't buy it? Refer to the main page under 'Accessories'.

Wade Egan · Post by **Wade Egan** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:28 pm

The Raiders gun belt definitely has the whip holder attached and in a lighter tan colored leather than the belt. It is not SA to have the rig be the same color on both.
The TOD gun belt and whip holder were both dark brown leather.
The CS gun belt was more of a range tan and the holder was dark like TOD
The KOTCS holder is grooved and dark brown, the belt is a saddle tan.

So if you're super SA you have to spend a lot of money to get all the looks right.

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:31 pm

wadventure wrote:So if you're super SA you have to spend a lot of money to get all the looks right.

Sadly, that's very true.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:36 pm

is that avatar from American Psycho conceited_ape?

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:42 pm

wadventure wrote:The Raiders gun belt definitely has the whip holder attached and in a lighter tan colored leather than the belt. It is not SA to have the rig be the same color on both.

The picture on the site shows the inside of the holder, which is a lighter color. If you look at the end of the holder, where it is turned over and riveted, you'll see it is same color as the belt.

If someone can post a picture of the Raiders belt showing the outside of the holder (ie with it closed) being a lighter color, I'd love to see it.

I'm not sure -- hence why posting just what my NH setup looks like.

Is LC same as TOD?

Wade Egan · Post by **Wade Egan** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:04 pm

Here are a couple of links which show the Raiders holder pretty good.

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ns/r12.jpg

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/012.jpg

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/207.jpg

Also, if you have the 4 DVD set with the making of, there are a few super clear shots of the whip holder and belt which clearly show the difference in color of the two leathers. I believe there is a thread here on the COW somewhere about this but cannot find it at the moment.

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conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:33 pm

Erri wrote:is that avatar from American Psycho conceited_ape?

Don't ask. Don't tell. ;-)

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:39 pm

conceited_ape wrote:
Erri wrote:is that avatar from American Psycho conceited_ape?
Don't ask. Don't tell. ;-)

Every time I see it, I think of that scene and crack up.
Maybe you should make it an animated GIF?

Dalexs wrote:although I do experience whipslip every so often

'Whipslip' is my new word for the day.

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:58 pm

It's weird. I've never, ever experienced any 'whipslip' that wasn't spurred on by rapid or jolty movement. I've had instances where the holder itself has 'popped' open at the snap because it's either not long enough or i've used it to accomodate a larger whip, but that's it.

Ironically enough, I was at a con earlier in the year as ToD 'smashed-up' Indy and did a little dramatic running in the gear from time to time and the whip behaved like it was getting paid!

The holder was a NH ToD, given to me as a gift six years ago by a fellow member. ;-)

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:10 am

Anyone have any pics that show the nylon wire on Indy's whip & whip holder?

NIBS

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:11 am

conceited_ape wrote:
Erri wrote:is that avatar from American Psycho conceited_ape?
Don't ask. Don't tell. ;-)

It's time we start showing off business cards here

knibs7 wrote:Anyone have any pics that show the nylon wire on Indy's whip & whip holder?

NIBS

I don't think we've ever seen one. Before Noel Howard told some of us about this trick, it has been a mystery for years how the original holder would keep the whip in place

scot2525 · Post by **scot2525** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:25 am

knibs7 wrote:Anyone have any pics that show the nylon wire on Indy's whip & whip holder?

NIBS

I believe you can see it in this picture.

http://www.hfm2.com/photopost1/showphoto.php/photo/4963

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:08 am

Here's a closeup.

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:10 am

Also, in the ToD photo that ANZAC posted above, it looks like Indy's gunbelt might be through one of the belt loops ont he very hand side. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:18 am

maboot38 wrote:Also, in the ToD photo that ANZAC posted above, it looks like Indy's gunbelt might be through one of the belt loops ont he very hand side. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

That is from the "bullwhip" publicity shot for Raiders, IIRC. (sorry "STARS" book - which is Raiders era - publicity shot, see other threads where I ask about it)

The gunbelt is generally lined up with the web belt (but not connected) in Raiders, on the whip side, but hanging lower on the holster side.

Wade Egan · Post by **Wade Egan** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:21 pm

That is an awesome shot of the whip and holder from LC! If you click on the photo to see the larger version there is no doubt about it! The holder AND the whip area BOTH secured with nylon fishing chord. I knew this to be true but this is the first really great shot of it.

Here is another shot which shows several things, the holes in the gun belt go all the way to the end cut, and the whip holder is definitely a different type and color of leather than the belt itself.

sithspawn · Post by **sithspawn** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:22 pm

Don't know what hardware they used though on that top part? Been trying to figure it out for years. Is the whip holder on the STAR pic considered to be what they used in the film?

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:43 pm

Where are you getting these huge shots from? They look like stills.

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