TONY NOWAK IS REPLICATING AN ORIGINAL RAIDERS JACKET!!

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:55 am

DAVIDUGLY wrote:I just got back from my second trip over there today before I fly back.
I saw jacket #618 and it's beautiful.

618?

That would be me.

Quite an honor having the president of Ugly Dolls be the first to give 618 its first jacket compliment!

CM · Post by CM » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:06 am

DAVIDUGLY wrote:Holy smokes.
I was at Tony's today and had a chance to check out the Raiders jacket.
And yes, this is THE Raiders jacket, in my opinion.
It's like Tony ripped this thing right out of the screen ala last action hero magic or something. It's that dead on.

I don't see how anyone else could ever get closer.
Unless I missed a line somewhere, it would seem that those who own the jacket so far have yet to discover all the hidden gems.
There's one incredible detail I am DYING to reveal.
I'll let Tony do that on his own.

This is the one.
At least, this is the one for me.

Man, what are you smoking? Can I have some? You've even written in like a minor poem. Nice.
I could never consider any other jacket now.
Dang it. I must have one now.
Just wait till you feel this beauty with your own hands and see with your own eyes. The current owners are going to have to hire Ansel Adams if they want to show you proper photos on this board.

You might as well wear a screen around yourself and hold some theatre seats out in front of you, if you're going as Indy for
Halloween in this thing.

If everyone here had seen/felt this monster first, the only posts would be pics of tongues hanging to the floor and empty wallets.
Anyway, I have to go wipe the floor now, I made a clean spot.

Man, what are you smoking? You've even written it out like a minor poem. Nice.

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:09 am

I personally think it is too short. It's 3.5 inches shorter than the Crystal Skull jacket and 2 inches shorter than Wested's 38 Regular!

This is what concerns me the most. I asked Tony if he can confirm whether the jacket construction is different to the Crystal Skull - so I could try and determine if the cut of the Raiders jacket makes it sit longer at the back even though in measurement terms, it's shorter. He hasn't confirmed anything yet. I'd really love to see some pics of a Ford sized jacket on a 6ft tall person so I can see for sure!

Chris

Indiana G wrote:since i'm in a sharing mood.....

i put on the jacket and thought....whoa, this is really short. then i watched the temple scene and looked where his pockets lied in relation to the bottom of the jacket.....accounting for me wearing my pants too low because of all the ...uhem....cairo dates i've been eating......i think this jacket is correct.....if you don't thinks so, go find platon's thread and post there ;-)

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:22 am

The current owners are going to have to hire Ansel Adams if they want to show you proper photos on this board.

That would be a great idea if he wasn't dead.

Sorry, I had to.

I'm glad to see more people liking the TN jacket. While I don't feel it's wrong to question any aspect of any piece of gear, I've always said that it's better to have more options for all of us than less. Looks like Tony is already filling some voids for some in his short time working on Indy related items. That can only be a good thing.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:00 am

Brady "posed" many of his battlefield shots - moved dead bodies around for better composition.

Capa's greatest from the Spanish Civil War has always been surrounded by questions.

There were major problems with photos coming out of the 2006 Lebanon summer dust up.

Never believe what you see.

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:12 am

Can't really improve on Indy G's word mastery in describing THE jacket.....regarding sizing my CS measures 27in bottom of collar stand to bottom of back panel in size 46 and fits like CS should.......Raiders is 24 1/2 in same measurement and fits like Raiders should ..isn't that what we've all wanted ?....(TN said original fit more like flight jacket length).....when laid flat on floor front slightly over i in longer.... BTW mine is #016/888 , same as my CS number........Hatch

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:24 am

_ wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of Mathew Brady. Civil War battlefields would be appropriate training for this crowd - me included...

;-)

I think I see Michaelson in the back?

No, that's just a horse.

;-)

I spoke with Tony the other day, and all I can say is that he is one true gentleman. After talking with him, I can see why folks walk away wanting a jacket from him. I haven't been this excited about an Indy jacket since I joined. I'll be meeting him in person in a couple days, too! (to pick up jacket number 5!)

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:40 am

_ wrote:#5, eh? Congrats!

You only live once, right? I knew my skills would pay off over time.

;-)

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:42 am

Belief and seeing are both often wrong.

But I still want to see more photos of these jackets!

Post by **Holt** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:24 am

congrats Bink!!

so finally stole enough wallets to get the money for the jacket huh?

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:28 am

Who, me?

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:44 am

Now we all await your pics.........

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:20 pm

When I come back from the QM, there will be. ;-)

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:03 pm

Has anyone ordered a size 40 yet?
I'm VERY worried about how short the back length measurement is. I've double checked with Tony and he's confirmed that it IS 23 inches.

Now, interesting to see that Peter just confirmed the back length on the NH Temple of Doom hero jacket as being 26 inches. He's already said that this is 1 inch LONGER than Raiders, so that puts the Raiders back length on a size 40 at 25 inches.

Why is Tony's measurement only 23 inches? It just sounds way too short to me and if I put that on my 6ft mannequin with 40 inch chest, that length would literally sit on the pants belt line! That clearly isn't correct for how Ford's jacket appears in Raiders.

It's a real mystery to me and I just don't think I can take a $1000 chance on getting the jacket only to find it's way too short.

Chris

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:12 pm

It would make sense then you add a couple inches for the collar to get the overall length.

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:15 pm

Base of collar to bottom of jacket. Same way that he measured (and showed the measurements on his sketch for the Crystal Skull jacket).

I've already pointed out to him that his Crystal skull jacket for Ford measured 26.5 inches and that looked comparable to the Raiders jacket in terms of its length at the back.

TN's still maintaining that 23 inches is correct for his Indy 1 jacket though.

My Todd's custom 40 Regular jacket looks spot on to me and that certainly does NOT measure 23 inches from base of collar to bottom of jacket.

_ - since you provided measurements to Todd Coyle (and Flight Suits) for their jackets based on the Terry Leonard jacket you examined, please can you confirm what the length was on that jacket? Thanks!

Chris

_ wrote:
Chris_King wrote:Has anyone ordered a size 40 yet?
I'm VERY worried about how short the back length measurement is. I've double checked with Tony and he's confirmed that it IS 23 inches.

Now, interesting to see that Peter just confirmed the back length on the NH Temple of Doom hero jacket as being 26 inches. He's already said that this is 1 inch LONGER than Raiders, so that puts the Raiders back length on a size 40 at 25 inches.

Why is Tony's measurement only 23 inches? It just sounds way too short to me and if I put that on my 6ft mannequin with 40 inch chest, that length would literally sit on the pants belt line! That clearly isn't correct for how Ford's jacket appears in Raiders.

It's a real mystery to me and I just don't think I can take a $1000 chance on getting the jacket only to find it's way too short.

Chris
Stupid question... Is he possibly measuring from the base of the collar to the hem or the bottom of the yoke to the hem?

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:31 pm

Just thought you guys might like to see this...

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t167 ... er/TNR.jpg

In a nutshell, I initially was not excited all that much by this project to begin with, but Tony's enthusiasm made me think "Why not? Might as well give it a shot." The end result? Good grief, Charlie Brown! Are you sure those 'destroyed' Raider jackets from filming didn't actually end up in Tony's studio? ;-)

This is just a teaser for my in-depth review later, which I promise I'll try to stuff full of pictures!

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:44 pm

Look forward to seeing more pics CD. Yours looks the best so far in terms of the "texture". Maybe it's just the lighting.

The pocket flap looks too big compared to the reference photo and he's still positioning the pocket too far away from the storm flap seam.

Can't wait for your review though and congrats!

What size did you get?

Chris

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:48 pm

Chris_King wrote:The pocket flap looks too big compared to the reference photo
Chris

I think it's because of the way he took the photo.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:51 pm

Chris_King wrote:Look forward to seeing more pics CD. Yours looks the best so far in terms of the "texture". Maybe it's just the lighting.

The pocket flap looks too big compared to the reference photo and he's still positioning the pocket too far away from the storm flap seam.

Can't wait for your review though and congrats!

What size did you get?

Chris

Thanks Chris, I really appreciate the kind words, especially coming from a legend in the field!

Mine is a size 40, and otherwise, I pretty much ordered everything in the same size.

With regards to the pocket's distance to the storm flap though, I think maybe it might be because the leather in that area is 'folded' over itself, pushing the pocket closer to the storm flap than it would normally be.

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:57 pm

Size 40. Cool.

I'd be grateful if you can confirm the back length on it.
(Measured from the base of the collar to the bottom of the jacket at the center line).

Regards,

Chris

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:02 pm

The pocket flaps look really big indeed and they are now cut like he cuts the CS flaps, which is not really SA anymore. Still congrats on your jacket man !

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:03 pm

Chris_King wrote:Has anyone ordered a size 40 yet?
I'm VERY worried about how short the back length measurement is. I've double checked with Tony and he's confirmed that it IS 23 inches.

Now, interesting to see that Peter just confirmed the back length on the NH Temple of Doom hero jacket as being 26 inches. He's already said that this is 1 inch LONGER than Raiders, so that puts the Raiders back length on a size 40 at 25 inches.

Why is Tony's measurement only 23 inches? It just sounds way too short to me and if I put that on my 6ft mannequin with 40 inch chest, that length would literally sit on the pants belt line! That clearly isn't correct for how Ford's jacket appears in Raiders.

It's a real mystery to me and I just don't think I can take a $1000 chance on getting the jacket only to find it's way too short.

Chris

slydini's jacket is an exact no added spec. I wonder where the back of his sits?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:08 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:The pocket flaps look really big indeed and they are now cut like he cuts the CS flaps, which is not really SA anymore. Still congrats on your jacket man !

Isn't that because people asked for that flap cut to make it more SA?

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:36 pm

_ wrote:I'm not trying to get under anybody’s skin, but I consistently read your posts here and I see exactly what you don't. Come on – what gives?

I think he's standing closer to the camera - could be why they might appear larger?

I really don't think so - focal length looks a bit shorter which would create a very slight fish-eye effect, but it's not like the pockets any closer to the lens to affect the size to that degree. The pocket flaps simply look too big to me.

This thread's really bringing that quote from the Big Chill to mind:

Sarah ( Glenn Close) " Nothing is better than sex"
Michael ( Jeff Goldblum) " Oh yeah? Ever go a week without a good rationalization?"

Don't know if Goldblum ever contemplated the overuse of dino-hide vs. what's mostly distressting on a mostly smooth jacket or initial misplacing of seams on a "duplicated" jacket.

Is that comparison still of Ford from the same shoot beside the lake / waterfall in Hawaii? If so, why don't the pocket flaps match the one jacket Tony says IS THE ONE THAT MATTERS?

Maybe I'm just having a cynical morning, but man...

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:46 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Chris_King wrote:Has anyone ordered a size 40 yet?
I'm VERY worried about how short the back length measurement is. I've double checked with Tony and he's confirmed that it IS 23 inches.

Now, interesting to see that Peter just confirmed the back length on the NH Temple of Doom hero jacket as being 26 inches. He's already said that this is 1 inch LONGER than Raiders, so that puts the Raiders back length on a size 40 at 25 inches.

Why is Tony's measurement only 23 inches? It just sounds way too short to me and if I put that on my 6ft mannequin with 40 inch chest, that length would literally sit on the pants belt line! That clearly isn't correct for how Ford's jacket appears in Raiders.

It's a real mystery to me and I just don't think I can take a $1000 chance on getting the jacket only to find it's way too short.

Chris
slydini's jacket is an exact no added spec. I wonder where the back of his sits?

But Slydini's was a size 50 no?

CM · Post by CM » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:50 pm

Chris_King wrote:
Now, interesting to see that Peter just confirmed the back length on the NH Temple of Doom hero jacket as being 26 inches. He's already said that this is 1 inch LONGER than Raiders, so that puts the Raiders back length on a size 40 at 25 inches.

Chris

That is fine if we accept that Peter knows what size the oringinal Raiders jacket was - of this there is some doubt. One inch longer than his current (fan and Flighsuits based) jacket perhaps. ;-)

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:54 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:
RCSignals wrote:
Chris_King wrote:Has anyone ordered a size 40 yet?
I'm VERY worried about how short the back length measurement is. I've double checked with Tony and he's confirmed that it IS 23 inches.

Now, interesting to see that Peter just confirmed the back length on the NH Temple of Doom hero jacket as being 26 inches. He's already said that this is 1 inch LONGER than Raiders, so that puts the Raiders back length on a size 40 at 25 inches.

Why is Tony's measurement only 23 inches? It just sounds way too short to me and if I put that on my 6ft mannequin with 40 inch chest, that length would literally sit on the pants belt line! That clearly isn't correct for how Ford's jacket appears in Raiders.

It's a real mystery to me and I just don't think I can take a $1000 chance on getting the jacket only to find it's way too short.

Chris
slydini's jacket is an exact no added spec. I wonder where the back of his sits?
But Slydini's was a size 50 no?

Yes I think so, but the back length would have been scaled as well, so the bottom of the back panel should sit on slydini in a similar spot to anyone else with a size 40.

TheChimp · Post by **TheChimp** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:55 pm

Chris_King wrote: ... he's still positioning the pocket too far away from the storm flap seam.

Are you basing that off the reference photo he just provided? If so, isn't it kinda hard to tell since the jacket folds on the ref photo between the pocket and the stormflap?

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:12 pm

_ wrote:Well, I'd say you made a good point on my "rationalization" but then made an even worse one yourself...

If you're seeing smooth skin, then no knowledge of optics is going to be of much help. And you started out so well...

_, I dig your style man.

However, I didn't go into too much detail on my thoughts re the leather because as we know, this thread has already had it's share of verbage.

Pretty much every single shot I've seen re texture (be it publicity still or screen cap) only shows jackets with patchy sections of that pattern, not all over. There are many shots which do show smooth leather that's been ripped to shreds, but where smooth sections are showing through, as was that comparison picture just shown. (I could go into contrast curves and dark colours in lighting conditions affecting detail but I won't!)

Don't get me wrong, like many, I'm in the Fox Mulder "I want to believe" category, but like yourself have an inbuilt professional "discrepancy detector" that just keeps going off a bit too much here. I'm not even that much of a SA Nazi - you should see MY pocket flaps! - but isn't high quality+SA without the need for laundry lists what people are paying for here?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:16 pm

Yojimbo Jones wrote:
Pretty much every single shot I've seen re texture (be it publicity still or screen cap) only shows jackets with patchy sections of that pattern, not all over.

This looks like more than 'patchy'

Mike wrote:Um…

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:22 pm

RCSignals wrote:This looks like more than 'patchy'

Wow, I do have to footnote eveything in detail, huh?

Yeah mate, it was the back panel that I was mainly thinking of and a few other bits. I do love the look of the hide on that back panel but nobody's shown any examples of that sort of pattern on the WHOLE jacket.

Much of the rest of it clearly looks like it's resulted from water soaking and distressing. I have the same sort of makings on my jacket, achieved by a roll in my washing machine. cheers.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:28 pm

Chris_King wrote:Has anyone ordered a size 40 yet?
I'm VERY worried about how short the back length measurement is. I've double checked with Tony and he's confirmed that it IS 23 inches.

Now, interesting to see that Peter just confirmed the back length on the NH Temple of Doom hero jacket as being 26 inches. He's already said that this is 1 inch LONGER than Raiders, so that puts the Raiders back length on a size 40 at 25 inches.

Why is Tony's measurement only 23 inches? It just sounds way too short to me and if I put that on my 6ft mannequin with 40 inch chest, that length would literally sit on the pants belt line! That clearly isn't correct for how Ford's jacket appears in Raiders.

It's a real mystery to me and I just don't think I can take a $1000 chance on getting the jacket only to find it's way too short.

Chris

Tony said that the Raiders jackets are shorter in the back than the front, when I talked to him about it the first time. He started listing differences that he found in the design; shorter back, underarm gussets, lack of snaps. He's mentioned this short back a few times. The back of the NH jacket measuring 26, I can understand; that's a different jacket. The jacket "lengths" are probably measured looking at the front.

Looking at Joe's pics wearing the jacket, it's possible that the jacket is a little too big, but I don't think so. Even taking that to account, the shot of the back shows the back of the jacket covering his pocket flaps.

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:30 pm

Us consultant types have to stick together! ;-)
It's just good to have a neuroses outlet that doesn't involve fiduciary responsibility!

_ wrote:And as to X-Files, I prefer to think about Scully... ;-)

We all do, mate. We all do.

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:34 pm

_ wrote:
Yojimbo Jones wrote:It's just good to have a neuroses outlet that doesn't involve fiduciary responsibility!
Yep - my other such outlet is a brunette, and there most certainly is fiduciary responsibility...

junior · Post by **junior** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:07 pm

Just read the review for the latest jacket made by TN over in another thread. Jacket looks great, but I have a few questions:

- i remember a number of film stills showing the jacket coming down to the midpoint of the back pants pockets (old man in cario scene comes to mind). the TN Raiders jackets seem to stop at the top the rear pants pockets, if not above them. ???

- is everyone in agreement with the size of the cargo pockets and the shape of the pocket flaps?

Thanks,
junior

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:19 pm

This is what I mentioned earlier. Tony has confirmed that back length is only 23 inches and that's SIGNIFICANTLY too short in my opinion. My Todd's custom is pretty exact in both front length and back length and I can tell you that it's MORE than 23 inches at the back.

I do think those pockets look too big but maybe I'm just being grumpy because this is still not what I was hoping it was going to be.

Chris

junior wrote:Just read the review for the latest jacket made by TN over in another thread. Jacket looks great, but I have a few questions:

- i remember a number of film stills showing the jacket coming down to the midpoint of the back pants pockets (old man in cario scene comes to mind). the TN Raiders jackets seem to stop at the top the rear pants pockets, if not above them. ???

- is everyone in agreement with the size of the cargo pockets and the shape of the pocket flaps?

Thanks,
junior

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:05 pm

Chris_King wrote:This is what I mentioned earlier. Tony has confirmed that back length is only 23 inches and that's SIGNIFICANTLY too short in my opinion. My Todd's custom is pretty exact in both front length and back length and I can tell you that it's MORE than 23 inches at the back.

I do think those pockets look too big but maybe I'm just being grumpy because this is still not what I was hoping it was going to be.

Chris

junior wrote:Just read the review for the latest jacket made by TN over in another thread. Jacket looks great, but I have a few questions:

- i remember a number of film stills showing the jacket coming down to the midpoint of the back pants pockets (old man in cario scene comes to mind). the TN Raiders jackets seem to stop at the top the rear pants pockets, if not above them. ???

- is everyone in agreement with the size of the cargo pockets and the shape of the pocket flaps?

Thanks,
junior

While these TN jackets look absolutely beautiful and well made, I can't help but feel the same way about the length as Chris stated.

The back just seems so short, and it never looks that short on screen. I don't think this is lighting or anything else.

I think we're all a bit grumpy because it seems like if this is a replica of THE jacket these sorts of questions shouldn't really arise at this point. Alas they are, and although TN has claimed it to be, it doesn't seem like the end all be all of Raiders jackets...yet.

Again, beautiful jacket, wear it in good health!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:03 pm

Chris_King wrote:This is what I mentioned earlier. Tony has confirmed that back length is only 23 inches and that's SIGNIFICANTLY too short in my opinion. My Todd's custom is pretty exact in both front length and back length and I can tell you that it's MORE than 23 inches at the back.

I do think those pockets look too big but maybe I'm just being grumpy because this is still not what I was hoping it was going to be.

Chris

what is the back length of your Todd's?

According to Todd's site a jacket for a 40" chest (listed jacket measurement of 42") has a back length of 23 1/2"
listed jacket masurement of 44" back length 24 1/2"

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:30 am

junior wrote:i remember a number of film stills showing the jacket coming down to the midpoint of the back pants pockets (old man in cario scene comes to mind). the TN Raiders jackets seem to stop at the top the rear pants pockets, if not above them. ???

Just to clear up some confusion, I should add that in the photos of my "Indy I" jacket, I''m wearing low riding jeans that sit below my waistline. I also believe that the Levi's I had on had pockets that were slightly below where pockets are normally located on regular-fit pants. My bad, I hope this helps a little...

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:41 am

Back length of my Todd's is 25 inches (measured from the base of collar seam to the bottom of the jacket). Todd Coyle assured me that my custom jacket was an exact copy of the measurements provided to him by _. In other words, it doesn't relate to the "off the rack" measurements on his sizing guide. It is the same as the original Terry Leonard jacket that _ examined.

25 inches also confirms what Peter was saying - namely, the NH Temple of Doom jacket measures 26 inches and the Raiders jacket was 1 inch shorter.

Honestly, I'm not making this up just to sound convenient. My jacket measures 25 inches and it looks perfect to me on a 40 inch chest mannequin which is 6ft tall.

Hmmmmm.

RCSignals wrote: what is the back length of your Todd's?

According to Todd's site a jacket for a 40" chest (listed jacket measurement of 42") has a back length of 23 1/2"
listed jacket masurement of 44" back length 24 1/2"

rick5150 · Post by **rick5150** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:51 am

I took these photos from this post. No offense, but the proportions make this look like a child's jacket.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll30 ... /Front.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll30 ... 8/back.jpg

I was wondering what size the jacket is? It may fit the wearer well, but it does not look proportional to a standard-sized jacket made smaller. At least it is not what I would expect to see as screen-accurate.

Very short-looking.

rick5150 · Post by **rick5150** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:35 am

Is there any chance this is the "Jock, start the engines!" jacket that got soaked? That may account for the odd sizing and the odd cracked appearance.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:07 am

Well I don't know the size exactly anymore Rick but it wasn't a size 40 from what I could tell. Only Indiana G can tell that as its his jacket.

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:21 pm

Great new Castor Pics and write up on other TN thread....Hatch

Post by **Mike** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:23 pm

Again, no eggs in this basket…yet. Just trying to prove point/counter point if I can find anything. If nothing else it might keep a friendly debate going.

Nothing was done to this image aside from playing with the light and contrast to try and show the line of the back of the jacket.

A little blurry as his is in motion, but there is a slant here…could it be caused by the holster pushing out the jacket?

In this one, the holster definitely lifts the action pleat, but I'm not sure it's interacting with the front much. Again, I may be seeing slant here.

This one, the bag is definitely pushing out the front, but it still appears to me there may be some slanting going on. You can see an arch in the back panel, though it may be caused by a fold.

Again, not trying to call anybody out, or start a flame war (hint) just trying to see if I can find evidence (or lack thereof) of claims.

If nothing else, these developments are brining back the fun to the investigation side of the hobby (as long as emotions can stay out of it.

Mike

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:04 pm

rick5150 wrote:I took these photos from this post. No offense, but the proportions make this look like a child's jacket.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll30 ... /Front.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll30 ... 8/back.jpg

I was wondering what size the jacket is? It may fit the wearer well, but it does not look proportional to a standard-sized jacket made smaller. At least it is not what I would expect to see as screen-accurate.

Very short-looking.

no offense taken rick. i'd be lying if i didn't think of the same thing when i first saw the pics. its a whole different ball of wax when she's on my shoulders though.

i too thought it was too short the first time, but i watched those exact same scenes that Mike put up (at least a couple dozen times) and that put my mind at rest.

my jacket is built to a snug 44....same size as ford's CS jacket with 2" less on the sleave. that's what i requested. it could probably stand to be taken to a size 46 but i might be mistaking the lack of "bagginess" due to the fact that the hide hasn't loosened up yet.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:19 pm

Mike wrote:Again, no eggs in this basket…yet. Just trying to prove point/counter point if I can find anything. If nothing else it might keep a friendly debate going.

....................

This one, the bag is definitely pushing out the front, but it still appears to me there may be some slanting going on. You can see an arch in the back panel, though it may be caused by a fold.

Again, not trying to call anybody out, or start a flame war (hint) just trying to see if I can find evidence (or lack thereof) of claims.

If nothing else, these developments are brining back the fun to the investigation side of the hobby (as long as emotions can stay out of it.

Mike

Yes look at the back length in this las picture. you can also see the texture/grain of the leather especially on the back.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:58 pm

Sorry, but I don't see texture or grain in that particular photo. I see what could be weathering and splotches of alternating colors, but not grain.

rick5150 · Post by **rick5150** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:59 pm

Yes, but that jacket looks as if it is pulled forward on his shoulders. Look how high up the yoke seam is and look where the action pleat starts. Almost on top of the shoulders.

Oh, and are we debating that there are shots of the jacket(s) that show grain or that there are shots of the jacket(s) that show the same grain used on the Nowak leather?