TONY NOWAK IS REPLICATING AN ORIGINAL RAIDERS JACKET!!

[Baldwyn]

Not saying for nothing, but a textured body and smooth sleeves, would…IMO…look like a letterman's jacket.

The more bits and pieces seen…and with Peter now stating there was texture…I'm even more inclined to believe the jacket was textured. I'm more under the impression that it has more to do with the photos taken so far of the jackets sold so far and am looking forward to seeing one in person after the QM. Hopefully I'll be able to get some shots and in-person opinions of it.

Agreed. All the most recent pictures posted from the one that Chris posted that shows texture on the shoulder, it has become very apparent that the jacket was not smooth at all.
Peter also confirming this now should end the argument. The fact it was it was 'sheep' not 'lamb' is interesting too.

Wonder if its semantics, or the truth. Sheep and lamb are the same animal, just different ages.

[Michaelson]

No, there's a difference.

Sheepskin is a heavier hide due to the age of the animal.

Regards! Michaelson

[PETER]

I am not saying there was texture, there was none just that we put in the bits of skin that most makers cut out that is the stretch marks on the neck and ribbing wher the skin has strtched in slaughter . Tony's skin may well be expensive but the finish is a print, unless you have invented a way your sheep can have that natural even buffalo grain finish all over.
I wish I had never started this. I Have spent years cutting round these blemishes only now to find you want them.
My college was Colfe's Leathersellers College, I am a qualified tannery expert with over 40 years experience in all aspects of leather and garments so dont call me on this one. What I say is fact.

[Michaelson]

I Have spent years cutting round these blemishes only now to find you want them.

Peter, I warned you YEARS ago this crowd would drive you insane! ;-)

For those interested in leather info, here's what wikapedia says (I'm not a fan of the site, but it's a good read)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather

Regards! Michaelson

[junior]

Digital pics taken from DVD's do not necessarily show what is true to life. Things do tend to get smoothed out and washed together - especially the details. An exception to this if an image has been taken from a film cell. In this instance, you will get what was actually seen the day of the shoot because lighting etc will be optimal.

That said, the more I see these DVD images, the more I see grain in the original Raiders jacket. My guess on the matter is that the jackets made for and used in Raiders of the Lost Ark had more grain than we first believed but probably not as much as has been evidenced in the first few TN jackets. Me thinks that Tony's batch of skin just happens to have a little more grain than the sheep that was used back in 1981.

Lastly, I would say that if there were digital cams back in 1981 and somebody hung up the hero jacket on a hanger in the sunlight, just as some have done with their TN's here recently, and took some pics and posted them on a webpage, those jackets would probably show more grain than we think.

[Michaelson]

Lastly, I would say that if there were digital cams back in 1981 and somebody hung up the hero jacket on a hanger in the sunlight, just as some have done with their TN's here recently, and took some pics and posted them on a webpage, those jackets would probably show more grain than we think.

AMEN, and AMEN!

I work in the world of 'analog' transfer to 'digital', and it's astounding how much detail is lost by an analog signal!

Regards! Michaelson

[SpeedRcrX]

Probably the original leather texture is in the middle, not so smooth, but not so grainy. My 2c.

Yeah I have the same thing happen on my CS NP's left sleeve.





Grainy to Smooth

I think I read about it on the board some times ago. If I remember correctly it's because it come from different part of the animal. I'm sure the skin's texture is different if it comes from the belly or the back of an animal and during the process in the tannery it leave marks.

Just my thoughts on the matter but I'm no expert in leather...

[rick5150]

Me thinks that Tony's batch of skin just happens to have a little more grain than the sheep that was used back in 1981.

Well, from a true accuracy standpoint, and continuity purposes, I want my jacket to be made from the offspring of that original sheep. Let's see if grain runs in the family like premature baldness...

[havershaw]

I work in the world of 'analog' transfer to 'digital', and it's astounding how much detail is lost by an analog signal!

Where I work (recording studio), it's the opposite way around. Record drums on a nice analog tape machine and then convert them to digital and see how much you lose!

off-topic, I know. sorry.

[Michaelson]

Audio, agreed. I love vinyl over digital recordings any day of the week! My stacks and stacks of records prove it!

Regards! Michaelson

[Indiana G]

If this is the case, why are his jackets nothing like TN's?

Interesting question. Where would things stand if Todd had the hero jacket handed to him to duplicate? Now that this is in the open, will he have to change leather sources to now satisfy the SA folks? In Todd's case, it all conjecture, isn't it? ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

oh......i swore i wouldn't post on this thread again.........guess you guys keep dragging me back in.

todd built a jacket for me in the spring of 2007 for my trip to new york. at the time, it was his 5th (approximately) raiders jacket offering (i believe his first went to g-mann). the hide he chose was very close to this one. todd's texture was not as uniform as TN's and was more 'splotchy' as far as where the most amount of grain can be found (on the left sleeve to be exact). alot of folks hated it. there must have been a reason that todd chose this hide as opposed to the normal chrome tanned junk........TN's leather is real and the grain is real and i'm sure todd can prove that himself.

as far as #010/888 goes.......i'm eating my pudding topped with proof and can't talk anymore cuz i put my money where my mouth is ;-)

[Michaelson]

Hee hee!

I thought I heard you kicking and screaming as you got drug back through the door! ;-)

HIGH regards! Michaelson

[agent5]

I Have spent years cutting round these blemishes only now to find you want them.

Thank you for validating me, Peter. I'm pretty sure you look at these stretch marks as not so decent on a leather jacket and have done your best to get a smooth, even grain. Every jacket I've ever ordered from you I requested the most grainy leather you had because I know for the most part it's all pretty smooth. I know you just want to put out a quality product but we are a picky bunch of people, which goes without saying. ;-)

[Satipo]

Here's my lambskin Avirex A2 from 1988 and the label describing the leather effect.

[Chris_King]

This is turning into quite a revealing thread. For me, the effect seen on SpeedRcrX's Novapelle looks EXACTLY like what I'm seeing on the Raiders photos and screen grabs. Wrinkled and smooth in areas but NO "fish scales" effects anywhere on the surface.

Satipo's A2 also has the "fish scale" effect which matches up with TN's leather choice but it still doesn't appear to match up what I'm seeing on good quality photos (not screen grabs) of Ford's Raiders jackets.

Hmmmm.

Chris

[crismans]

Maybe it would be helpful if Hatch or Slydini could post pictures of themselves in their jackets (maybe even in action poses ) so we could see how the grain appears and disappears.

And also, while I'm making demands of COW members, we need someone with an extra $1000 to order a jacket, warts and all.

[Hatch]

Just have Spielberg send " Frank " to pick it up and he can make the pics......that's probably only thing that would satisfy some .. I'm with Indy G just sitting back and loving this Hatch ..

[Mike]

Um…

[SpeedRcrX]

This is turning into quite a revealing thread. For me, the effect seen on SpeedRcrX's Novapelle looks EXACTLY like what I'm seeing on the Raiders photos and screen grabs. Wrinkled and smooth in areas but NO "fish scales" effects anywhere on the surface.

Chris

I just have these wrinkles/grains on the left sleeves the rest is smooth.
I think too it's the same thing on the Raider jacket but with more areas all over the jacket.

But I could be wrong....

This thread is really interesting and I would love to see some more photos of people wearing TN's Jacket. Even with the Dino Hide I like it a lot.

Is it a soft leather ???

[Holt]

wow! that backarm seam is really more then 1''below the yolk like I allways thought it was.

thanks Mike for posting this picture

[Holt]

I only see ...whats it called again?...grainy leather!!

[RCSignals]

.................

And also, while I'm making demands of COW members, we need someone with an extra $1000 to order a jacket, warts and all.

Hatch, Slydini, and Indiana G already have........

[Hatch]

This is turning into quite a revealing thread. For me, the effect seen on SpeedRcrX's Novapelle looks EXACTLY like what I'm seeing on the Raiders photos and screen grabs. Wrinkled and smooth in areas but NO "fish scales" effects anywhere on the surface.

Chris

I just have these wrinkles/grains on the left sleeves the rest is smooth.
I think too it's the same thing on the Raider jacket but with more areas all over the jacket.

But I could be wrong....

This thread is really interesting and I would love to see some more photos of people wearing TN's Jacket. Even with the Dino Hide I like it a lot.

Is it a soft leather ???

Like "butta" but tough feeling at the same time...you won't have to baby this one ....Hatch

[RCSignals]

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as far as #010/888 goes.......i'm eating my pudding topped with proof and can't talk anymore cuz i put my money where my mouth is ;-)

I take it you are happy.
Assuming it is now 'home'

[Indiana Strones]

wow! that backarm seam is really more then 1''below the yolk like I allways thought it was.

thanks Mike for posting this picture

I have a very similar seam position in my jacket.

[Hatch]

wow! that backarm seam is really more then 1''below the yolk like I allways thought it was.

thanks Mike for posting this picture

I have a very similar seam position in my jacket.

Now you just need some "GRAIN"....(grin)

[Tennessee Smith]

"through eyes at last I see"

Wow, the regular jackets now look way off from SA. I hope everyone saved their receipts. ;-)

[Raider S]

While I see grain in the screencaps posted, I don't see the same "all over" grain as evident in photos of the new Nowak jacket. If the original were THAT textured I think it would have been revealed before now. It honestly looks more like the aligator shoes I once owned - it looks reptilian.

Having said that, there are people who seem to think the Raiders jacket is a plain old Crayola brown color and buy these reddish brown jackets they believe are "SA".

Would it be possible for the person who has the Nowak jacket to take a few more photos in different light and from different distances? Even better would be to shoot a few seconds of video and put it on YouTube or post a couple screencaps of that.

[Indiana G]

............

as far as #010/888 goes.......i'm eating my pudding topped with proof and can't talk anymore cuz i put my money where my mouth is ;-)

I take it you are happy.
Assuming it is now 'home'

absolutely

in all honesty, when i put it on, i had a 'hmmmmmm' moment so being the obsessive compulsive freak that i am, i popped in the dvd and had a "oohhhhh.....man was i off" moment (in regards to some of the sizing). i'm not going to comment on what exactly because it would be like dumping rocket fuel on an already large bon-fire. tony knows his stuff. i wagered $1K on that and i wasn't disappointed. i also considered that an investment in not having to guess what the action pleat depth was or how high the yoke is or the location of the pockets or how many teeths are in the zipper or high high the armholes have to be or how to get the wrinkling out of the back panel......if this jacket truly has royal bloodlines, then i'm satisfied and i don't believe i could get anything better..

.....unless of course: wested does get THE hero jacket, confirms it is the real hero jacket via comparison pics and a youtube clip featuring george lucas himself reading peter's coa placard next to ford who is actually modelling it, then peter changes wested's name back to leather consess....concess...consesh....{scandy where are you!!!!???? } and labels it accordingly, then sources a leather that has illegal orca whale oil products in her as well as tears from the children in that sri lankan village, and for good measure.....{breathing heavily}.....sprinkles some tunisian sand all over it {specifically the sand that was dusted off the egyptians turban who fell from the scaffolding onto the german truck}.........then i guess that would satisfy about 1/3 of us.

this is the second day of wearing this creature, and i do stress 'creature' as she is molding quite rapidly to my shape as if it were alive. it just keeps getting better with time.

does it look like a $1K jacket......heck no......then again, indy's jacket in the movie looked like a jacket you'd pass up at the thrift store if you didn't know anything about indygear. TN captured its essence imo and thats all i've got to say about that {forrest gump voice}

[junior]

hmmm, seems the Raiders jacket is getting more unique everyday.

if i'm not mistaken, and i know there are several jackets that were used - and some surely had more grain than others, it seems as if the front panel and collar sections usually don't have as much grain as the side and back panels...while the pockets and pocket flaps seem to be an ala cart.

On a side note, maybe we can get Aero to make an Indy jacket
Sorry, P, couldn't resist.

[Chris_King]

I thought you'd given the specs for pocket size and placement to Tony? Is that not the case? Are you saying your pocket size and placement were the result of Tony matching the hero jacket he had?

Chris

absolutely

in all honesty, when i put it on, i had a 'hmmmmmm' moment so being the obsessive compulsive freak that i am, i popped in the dvd and had a "oohhhhh.....man was i off" moment (in regards to some of the sizing). i'm not going to comment on what exactly because it would be like dumping rocket fuel on an already large bon-fire. tony knows his stuff. i wagered $1K on that and i wasn't disappointed. i also considered that an investment in not having to guess what the action pleat depth was or how high the yoke is or the location of the pockets or how many teeths are in the zipper or high high the armholes have to be or how to get the wrinkling out of the back panel......if this jacket truly has royal bloodlines, then i'm satisfied and i don't believe i could get anything better..

.....unless of course: wested does get THE hero jacket, confirms it is the real hero jacket via comparison pics and a youtube clip featuring george lucas himself reading peter's coa placard next to ford who is actually modelling it, then peter changes wested's name back to leather consess....concess...consesh....{scandy where are you!!!!???? } and labels it accordingly, then sources a leather that has illegal orca whale oil products in her as well as tears from the children in that sri lankan village, and for good measure.....{breathing heavily}.....sprinkles some tunisian sand all over it {specifically the sand that was dusted off the egyptians turban who fell from the scaffolding onto the german truck}.........then i guess that would satisfy about 1/3 of us.

this is the second day of wearing this creature, and i do stress 'creature' as she is molding quite rapidly to my shape as if it were alive. it just keeps getting better with time.

does it look like a $1K jacket......heck no......then again, indy's jacket in the movie looked like a jacket you'd pass up at the thrift store if you didn't know anything about indygear. TN captured its essence imo and thats all i've got to say about that {forrest gump voice}

[Indiana G]

i gave tony the shape of the pockets and the pocket flaps and asked tony to scale them as he saw fit.

i had 2 illustrations from KT on the pockets. one was scaled with measurements and one was just a schematic of the shape. the scaled one, i used previously with peter and have since found the pockets to look too small. that was back in the day when everyone believed the raiders pockets were smaller than what they are........which was before we tabled a discussion that indy wore a trench coat in raiders......but after we discussed that his collar was from a size 52 jacket and transplanted onto his size 40 jacket..........i wasn't here when we discussed that he wore a size 40 jacket, which also seems to be unconfirmed as of late. ;-)

{i'm being a little facetious about the discussions......i'm like that......i got picked last in gym class}

[RCSignals]

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as far as #010/888 goes.......i'm eating my pudding topped with proof and can't talk anymore cuz i put my money where my mouth is ;-)

I take it you are happy.
Assuming it is now 'home'

absolutely

in all honesty, when i put it on, i had a 'hmmmmmm' moment so being the obsessive compulsive freak that i am, i popped in the dvd and had a "oohhhhh.....man was i off" moment (in regards to some of the sizing). i'm not going to comment on what exactly because it would be like dumping rocket fuel on an already large bon-fire. tony knows his stuff. i wagered $1K on that and i wasn't disappointed. i also considered that an investment in not having to guess what the action pleat depth was or how high the yoke is or the location of the pockets or how many teeths are in the zipper or high high the armholes have to be or how to get the wrinkling out of the back panel......if this jacket truly has royal bloodlines, then i'm satisfied and i don't believe i could get anything better..

.....unless of course: wested does get THE hero jacket, confirms it is the real hero jacket via comparison pics and a youtube clip featuring george lucas himself reading peter's coa placard next to ford who is actually modelling it, then peter changes wested's name back to leather consess....concess...consesh....{scandy where are you!!!!???? } and labels it accordingly, then sources a leather that has illegal orca whale oil products in her as well as tears from the children in that sri lankan village, and for good measure.....{breathing heavily}.....sprinkles some tunisian sand all over it {specifically the sand that was dusted off the egyptians turban who fell from the scaffolding onto the german truck}.........then i guess that would satisfy about 1/3 of us.

this is the second day of wearing this creature, and i do stress 'creature' as she is molding quite rapidly to my shape as if it were alive. it just keeps getting better with time.

does it look like a $1K jacket......heck no......then again, indy's jacket in the movie looked like a jacket you'd pass up at the thrift store if you didn't know anything about indygear. TN captured its essence imo and thats all i've got to say about that {forrest gump voice}

Great post.

Some of your specs were off? Probably not by anything anyone would notice

[RCSignals]

hmmm, seems the Raiders jacket is getting more unique everyday.

if i'm not mistaken, and i know there are several jackets that were used - and some surely had more grain than others, it seems as if the front panel and collar sections usually don't have as much grain as the side and back panels...while the pockets and pocket flaps seem to be an ala cart.

On a side note, maybe we can get Aero to make an Indy jacket
Sorry, P, couldn't resist.

I don't know, there are pictures in this thread showing grain on the collar and front sections.
Pockets and flaps on the movie jackets seem to be quite varied.

[crismans]

Just have Spielberg send " Frank " to pick it up and he can make the pics......that's probably only thing that would satisfy some .. I'm with Indy G just sitting back and loving this Hatch ..

Sorry if you took my statement as a saying something detrimental about the jacket (which I hope you didn't, considering that I've told you that I think it's a great jacket). I said this because a) I love to see pictures of these jackets being worn. I think you get a lot more of an impression of how the jacket looks and moves from people wearing their jackets instead of them on a hanger and b) this would probably help the confirm the hypothesis that the grain smooths in movement and help alleviate the concerns of some.

Hatch, Slydini, and Indiana G already have........

My favorite scene from Raiders (all the movies, really) is the Hovito temple scene and (I'm sure directly related) my favorite jacket is the jacket Ford wore in that scene.

Slydini's jacket (and please don't get me wrong, it is a terrific jacket) doesn't look to my eyes like that jacket (my eyes could be horribly wrong). Indiana G's and Hatch's do look more like that jacket but I believe they provided some specs (I'm not sure about Hatch). I don't want to provide any specs other than my jacket dimensions. I want the temple jacket: one rounded collar, one sharp collar, pockets off. I want that jacket! You get me that jacket and I'll sell one of my classic cars and buy it. ;-)

There seems to be some backlash against those that have been questioning the jacket. I've done some questioning myself but I've tried to be very careful to say that I do like the jackets that's been made and, if those that bought them are happy, then that is the only thing that matters. I've just been watching to see if what would make me happy is possible. As long as it's done in a respectful manner, these questioning sessions are what brings to light details. The ToD thread had tons of questions that at first, seemed to bring a backlash on the questioners before _ (much to his credit) did some more digging and found some new informaton.

That said, the more I see these DVD images, the more I see grain in the original Raiders jacket. My guess on the matter is that the jackets made for and used in Raiders of the Lost Ark had more grain than we first believed but probably not as much as has been evidenced in the first few TN jackets. Me thinks that Tony's batch of skin just happens to have a little more grain than the sheep that was used back in 1981.

This is what I'm thinking as well.

Like "butta" but tough feeling at the same time...you won't have to baby this one ....Hatch

Thanks for answering this one. If I dropped the dough on lamb, I want it to be TOUGH lamb.

[Raider S]

If I spent that much on a jacket I'd take many photos and post them! What's up with the trickle of images? Let's see how this looks on someone.

[Indiana G]

If I spent that much on a jacket I'd take many photos and post them! What's up with the trickle of images? Let's see how this looks on someone.

IW has posted pics wearing my jacket.....looks the same as on me....c'ept i'm more handsome {just kidding joe...LOL ).

the atmosphere that this thread has spawned is not really condusive (sp?) for owners to come share their purchases, imo. i remember that todd got the first degree when his jacket came out.....both todd and g-mann got quite a flogging from all the 'SA' camps. where's todd now? he's got one of the top indy jackets around here....hmmm go figure.

alot of posts were shared in regards to owners' conversations with tony and have been met with..."no, that can't be right" or "i don't think so" {i'm summarizing and paraphrasing of course}

i'm not saying that its one, two, or three people's faults in particular.....just what the beast is as a collective whole. if anyone wants some specific details, PM me or i'm sure slydini or hatch would be happy to provide info as well. i just don't believe any additional information in this thread would appease the skeptics. i'm cynical that way...too much of _ rubbing off on me

one thing that i would like to add, something that _ tried to warn us about early in the post and i didn't realize it until now {as i am comparing my jacket to what i see in the movie}......the hero jacket was a poorly made, poorly fitting jacket imo. looks cool in our eyes, but if you approach a manufacturer who makes quality jackets (TN and peter) and ask them to make an exact duplicate/replica/clone/identicaleniteyness-some of it......they'd probably say, uhm......no.....i'll make you one that looks good, will last, and fits you well. in that itself is where the SA monsters find the disparities and inconsistencies. i truly believe that if this hero jacket is found and made for the fans.....EXACTLY.....there would be alot of posts in this section starting with "PROBLEM WITH {ENTER VENDOR'S NAME HERE} RAIDERS JACKET".

my 2 cents........

[Baldwyn]

in all honesty, when i put it on, i had a 'hmmmmmm' moment so being the obsessive compulsive freak that i am, i popped in the dvd and had a "oohhhhh.....man was i off" moment (in regards to some of the sizing). i'm not going to comment on what exactly because it would be like dumping rocket fuel on an already large bon-fire. tony knows his stuff.

Oh _I_ get it. You put the jacket on and thought it was way too large, popped in the DVD and had a moment of "whoa, no, it's the right size." I _JUST_ had that moment too. I was looking at the pics of Joe wearing your jacket, thinking it was way too big for him. And then noticed that Tony had him pose like one of the pics from his photo insert, and whoa...he's right.

[Indiana G]

since i'm in a sharing mood.....

i put on the jacket and thought....whoa, this is really short. then i watched the temple scene and looked where his pockets lied in relation to the bottom of the jacket.....accounting for me wearing my pants too low because of all the ...uhem....cairo dates i've been eating......i think this jacket is correct.....if you don't thinks so, go find platon's thread and post there ;-)

[crismans]

.the hero jacket was a poorly made, poorly fitting jacket imo. looks cool in our eyes, but if you approach a manufacturer who makes quality jackets (TN and peter) and ask them to make an exact duplicate/replica/clone/identicaleniteyness-some of it......they'd probably say, uhm......no.....i'll make you one that looks good, will last, and fits you well. in that itself is where the SA monsters find the disparities and inconsistencies. i truly believe that if this hero jacket is found and made for the fans.....EXACTLY.....there would be alot of posts in this section starting with "PROBLEM WITH {ENTER VENDOR'S NAME HERE} RAIDERS JACKET".

my 2 cents........

A valid point and one I certainly need to consider. I don't consider myself a SA beast by nature but I do get a fanatical gleam in my eyes when discussing the temple jacket. I just love that scene so much. Maybe I should rephrase to where I say that I, personally, want the look of the jacket, but don't mind some things that help durability/wearability such as Tony did with the CS jacket. All of the alterations to that jacket were invisible.

[CM]

There's nothing wrong in saying that you think TN's jacket looks nothing like the one in the film, nothing.

It's getting odd around here right now. I half expect to read something like, "It looks just like the jacket Harry wears for 1.2 seconds, 7.4 seconds into the Well of Soul's scene, but you've got to have the colour turned down on your TV with the lights in your room off and you need to be facing north and wearing 3D glasses to see how accurate it is. TN really nailed it!" ;-)

No offence intended.

[RCSignals]

If I spent that much on a jacket I'd take many photos and post them! What's up with the trickle of images? Let's see how this looks on someone.

IW has posted pics wearing my jacket.....looks the same as on me....c'ept i'm more handsome {just kidding joe...LOL ).

the atmosphere that this thread has spawned is not really condusive (sp?) for owners to come share their purchases, imo. i remember that todd got the first degree when his jacket came out.....both todd and g-mann got quite a flogging from all the 'SA' camps. where's todd now? he's got one of the top indy jackets around here....hmmm go figure.

alot of posts were shared in regards to owners' conversations with tony and have been met with..."no, that can't be right" or "i don't think so" {i'm summarizing and paraphrasing of course}

i'm not saying that its one, two, or three people's faults in particular.....just what the beast is as a collective whole. if anyone wants some specific details, PM me or i'm sure slydini or hatch would be happy to provide info as well. i just don't believe any additional information in this thread would appease the skeptics. i'm cynical that way...too much of _ rubbing off on me

one thing that i would like to add, something that _ tried to warn us about early in the post and i didn't realize it until now {as i am comparing my jacket to what i see in the movie}......the hero jacket was a poorly made, poorly fitting jacket imo. looks cool in our eyes, but if you approach a manufacturer who makes quality jackets (TN and peter) and ask them to make an exact duplicate/replica/clone/identicaleniteyness-some of it......they'd probably say, uhm......no.....i'll make you one that looks good, will last, and fits you well. in that itself is where the SA monsters find the disparities and inconsistencies. i truly believe that if this hero jacket is found and made for the fans.....EXACTLY.....there would be alot of posts in this section starting with "PROBLEM WITH {ENTER VENDOR'S NAME HERE} RAIDERS JACKET".

my 2 cents........

Another great post G.

this part

i just don't believe any additional information in this thread would appease the skeptics.

reminds me af a fellow who once said to me "I'll see it when I believe it" ;-)

Personally I don't want a poor made screen jacket, I want a jacket for the real world, that resembles the screen jacket as much as possible.

The end of your post pretty much sums up a lot of what has happened in this very thread.
There is still nothing to disprove that Tony has not replicated 'the hero' jacket.
There are a lot of experts for so few having actually seen and touched 'the one that matters'

[Indiana G]

There's nothing wrong in saying that you think TN's jacket looks nothing like the one in the film, nothing.

It's getting odd around here right now. I half expect to read something like, "It looks just like the jacket Harry wears for 1.2 seconds, 7.4 seconds into the Well of Soul's scene, but you've got to have the colour turned down on your TV with the lights in your room off and you need to be facing north and wearing 3D glasses to see how accurate it is. TN really nailed it!" ;-)

No offence intended.

none taken of course my friend.

there is an amalgamation of opinions on the thread, some informed and some not so much. now if and when the latter overtakes the former, thats when the facts start getting intangeable. i'm not picking on this thread specifically, it happens in alot of discussions here and everywhere....even at work.....that's when i serve some people their termination papers {just kidding}

i agree to the point that tony should come in and confirm the facts....i know he's a busy man....alot of you know....he even calls around midnight to confirm something....does he ever sleep????

...btw...crismans....i hope to see how good your eye is on the TOD jacket....

and michaelson.....this time i'm done...for sure....really....that's it....the next time i come back i'll be dragged in unconscious so you won't hear me......

ciao folks.....i got a hat to make for this jacket ;-)

[DAVIDUGLY]

Holy smokes.
I was at Tony's today and had a chance to check out the Raiders jacket.
And yes, this is THE Raiders jacket, in my opinion.
It's like Tony ripped this thing right out of the screen ala last action hero magic or something. It's that dead on.

I don't see how anyone else could ever get closer.
Unless I missed a line somewhere, it would seem that those who own the jacket so far have yet to discover all the hidden gems.
There's one incredible detail I am DYING to reveal.
I'll let Tony do that on his own.

This is the one.
At least, this is the one for me.
I could never consider any other jacket now.
Dang it. I must have one now.
Just wait till you feel this beauty with your own hands and see with your own eyes. The current owners are going to have to hire Ansel Adams if they want to show you proper photos on this board.

You might as well wear a screen around yourself and hold some theatre seats out in front of you, if you're going as Indy for
Halloween in this thing.

If everyone here had seen/felt this monster first, the only posts would be pics of tongues hanging to the floor and empty wallets.
Anyway, I have to go wipe the floor now, I made a clean spot.

[RCSignals]

Holy smokes.
I was at Tony's today and had a chance to check out the Raiders jacket.
And yes, this is THE Raiders jacket, in my opinion.
It's like Tony ripped this thing right out of the screen ala last action hero magic or something. It's that dead on.

I don't see how anyone else could ever get closer.
Unless I missed a line somewhere, it would seem that those who own the jacket so far have yet to discover all the hidden gems.
There's one incredible detail I am DYING to reveal.
I'll let Tony do that on his own.

This is the one.
At least, this is the one for me.
I could never consider any other jacket now.
Dang it. I must have one now.
Just wait till you feel this beauty with your own hands and see with your own eyes. The current owners are going to have to hire Ansel Adams if they want to show you proper photos on this board.

You might as well wear a screen around yourself and hold some theatre seats out in front of you, if you're going as Indy for
Halloween in this thing.

If everyone here had seen/felt this monster first, the only posts would be pics of tongues hanging to the floor and empty wallets.
Anyway, I have to go wipe the floor now, I made a clean spot.

did you see a version as in #001/888 or #010/888 ?

just curious

[slydini]

If I spent that much on a jacket I'd take many photos and post them! What's up with the trickle of images? Let's see how this looks on someone.

Well, for one, as you all know from my first pictures, I take lousy pictures. Trying to find someone to take pictures of me in the jacket is not a high priority. I do have some pics of me wearing , I will post soon.

[DAVIDUGLY]

Holy smokes.
I was at Tony's today and had a chance to check out the Raiders jacket.
And yes, this is THE Raiders jacket, in my opinion.
It's like Tony ripped this thing right out of the screen ala last action hero magic or something. It's that dead on.

I don't see how anyone else could ever get closer.
Unless I missed a line somewhere, it would seem that those who own the jacket so far have yet to discover all the hidden gems.
There's one incredible detail I am DYING to reveal.
I'll let Tony do that on his own.

This is the one.
At least, this is the one for me.
I could never consider any other jacket now.
Dang it. I must have one now.
Just wait till you feel this beauty with your own hands and see with your own eyes. The current owners are going to have to hire Ansel Adams if they want to show you proper photos on this board.

You might as well wear a screen around yourself and hold some theatre seats out in front of you, if you're going as Indy for
Halloween in this thing.

If everyone here had seen/felt this monster first, the only posts would be pics of tongues hanging to the floor and empty wallets.
Anyway, I have to go wipe the floor now, I made a clean spot.

did you see a version as in #001/888 or #010/888 ?

just curious

I saw Tony's personal prototype and a few completed new ones.
Can't remember the numbers.
All I can remember is being blown away.

[Raider S]

The only thing I'm in question of is the texture of the jackets used in the film. How that could be thought of as any kind of attack or even criticism is beyond me. I mean I always saw what appeared to be a rather normal leather jacket - wrinkes, grain, etc. - and now people are saying the originals had an extreme texture I rarely see on any jackets.

If it's true, great, but it would be interesting to know why it's taken so long to figure out something so huge. People often argue about such mundane things as a pocket being 5mm offset to the left, so it's normal to expect there's going to be a brew-up about something so huge in appearance.

I hope to see more photos than simple close-ups of the jacket to compare to screencaps. I'm not asking because I think the jacket is bad or don't like it. I think it's a beauty. Doesn't mean I want one but am interested to know why it looks like it does. Personally I want grain and texture in my jackets!

Geesh.

[slydini]

Well, the pics were too dark. Will try again.

[DAVIDUGLY]

I just got back from my second trip over there today before I fly back.
I saw jacket #618 and it's beautiful.