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I hope I'm not out of line here but wasn't the tag producer used somewhere (so many pages to go throughMike wrote:
For your later observations, I think you're more on the money. I think the timeline would be that the Grace jacket came first, then the LC one came in with "Frank."
Mike
). If so, a producer named Frank. Where have I seen that before... 
crismans wrote: I hope I'm not out of line here but wasn't the tag producer used somewhere (so many pages to go through
This jacket is not featured in the movie in an obvious way. Look how wide the windflap is...Indiana Holt wrote:look at the pockets my friend. ;-)
pretty big to.
Chris_King wrote:Here we go guys. Here's the Martin Grace jacket as it appeared in the Butterfield & Butterfield auction from 1994.
Click on the links for the hi-res versions.
Wait a minute, I'm not a genius?Chris_King wrote:Yeah, it doesn't take a genius to work out that it's probably Frank Marshall. _ seems to have some seriously high-up contacts!
Look at the black and white photo, too where the text isn't obscuring the jacket. Not saying there couldn't be button, but I don't think there is.Mike wrote:the distressing is definitely LC. That weird and overdone wear on all the seems and odd scuffs on the chest area. Are my eyes deceiving me, or is there a button on the bottom, under the 'nd' of 'and' in the text?
If not, maybe they distressed Martin's Raiders jacket to match work for LC?
I disagree. Looking at the cover of the catalog, it looks like the strap is connected near the seam, not the pocket. Certainly not at the bottom of the opening like your jacket.sebas wrote:HOLY ####!!!!
Besides the cargo pocket size and the collar, this Martin Grace jacket has yet another EXACT similarity to the 90s Westeds that no other jackets have: The strap is placed lower, connecting to the bottom side of the cargo pocket itself!! (Holt, what's the techinal way of saying this again?) Check out the pic. In any event, the TN does not have this feature on any of the examples we've seen thus far. Therefore, its highly unlikely he's come across this jacket.
It's my bet that the Martin Grace jacket also has inseam strap anchoring on the back panel. Conlusion again: this jacket is exactly like the 90s Westeds. This jacket must be similar, if not idential to the Bantu Wind jacekt. Maybe not.
Which begs the question: Runquist, if the pre-Keppler Westeds were so "off" (that alleged bellhop version) why o why is this jacket almost identical to the 90s Westeds? Keppler's 80s jackets looked quite different, right?
SO: Judging by the picture alone, Peter's claim of having based those 90s Westeds on the "original patterns" MUST be true. This was the original pattern: before exterior sitching, before piping, before the smaller cargo pockets..."and all that jazz".
This last Butterfields pic is another piece to the puzzle: through this TN discussion, we're learing a lot on the jacket's geneology and pedigree that was previously overlooked. Rock on!:whip:
Point taken! It could be attached further back, as you point out. It's a tight angle in the pic. However, the lower strap placemtent is something notable and not usual on the "updated SA" offerings...I disagree. Looking at the cover of the catalog, it looks like the strap is connected near the seam, not the pocket. Certainly not at the bottom of the opening like your jacket.
The 'bellhop' jackets are 80's era, when Lee was looking for a vendor to produce for his clientele. He sent Peter a Concessionaires jacket pre-Last Crusade, which is why that jacket had the buttons and other nuances that Lee's Flightsuits had.sebas wrote:Which begs the question: Runquist, if the pre-Keppler-ized Westeds were so "off" (that alleged bellhop version) why o why is this jacket almost identical to the 90s Westeds? Keppler's 80s jackets looked quite different, right?
I will definetly be buying one of these babies. When I slipped it on I felt like I was wearing an $80,000 original film jacket. 
......tears of joy.....my last raiders jacket. the quest is over..... .....and now you've made this wait worse than waiting for an AB ......thats priceless. }
Your very welcome my friend. It was well worth the drive to hang out with my old pal Tony. seeing your jacket was just a bonus ;-) id say Im about a 42.I couldnt believe how well YOUR jacket fit me. When I finally had to hit the road believe me it was hard to relinquish the jacket back to Tony(Ah man...but it fits me so wellIndiana G wrote:
......speechless......
many thanks IW for making that long trip and sharing the pics
it was nice talking to you on the phone as well.....tony is quite the character ain't he? after talking to him this past couple of weeks, he makes you feel like you've been friends for years. a true gem of a human being and i am happy that our lives have crossed.
quick question for you joe.......whats your jacket size? i can't peg it based on the pics and i'm a little concerned that it'll be too small for me.....but yet it the back of my head, i know tony nailed the sizing. your frame is deceiving
anyways i'm glad you made it back safe from your trip. when tony called me to put you on the phone he said, "that young fellow came in and grabbed your jacket and took off!". then i proclaimed, "whats wrong with you? you were suppose to protect that with your life!!!"
he also told me about how you were cracking your whip there and scaring the #### out of him
this jacket has already been conceived in an environment of gear fun. i look forward to bringing her home.
thanks again and regards,
G
.....now i'll let all the folks pick her apart........{KT, rundquist, you guys be nice now!!!.....ah ####, give me your worst!!!!
) I know what you mean about my frame. I have a short upper body and long legs. buying custom clothes is tough for me. Im sure your jacket will fit you. Thank you, G. If you hadnt bought the jacket I probably wouldnt be getting mine . The specs you gave are dead on. I wish Tony was able to tell the origin of the jacket. He did tell me though that the jacket you ordered is closer to the main jacket then the #1 jacket that was like the 2nd jacket Tony recieved. Its not the sole reason but its a big factor in the cost. Tony knows his stuff when it comes to jackets and leather so I dont think he would choose an inferior leather just because it would raise the price of his jacket. but its a free market. to each his own.Dutch_jones wrote:Sorry but Shrunken lamb is a poor choice of leather for this jacket, a friend of mine has a G-2 Jacket in this same leather and he said it did not behave like other lamb jackets do and it does not break in correctly.
so its a 1000 dollars because of the horrible leather?
I don't like it, doesn't look SA at all, he must have mistaken the stress and pull marks on the jacket for the texture.
What Tony told me was the first jacket he reproduced had features of the leather concessionaries jacket. Gs jacket was more like the main jacket the one Tony is hush hush about. He was told not to reveal its source so hes a man of his word.Believe me I wish he would have filled me in on the full story but he didnt. As Tony told me the proof is on screen. The picture he showed me was a collage of Raiders pics showing certin features of the jacket such as the grain of the leather, no facings and the nickel snaps on the pockets.Dutch_jones wrote:Indiana Williams, you've talked to Tony did you ask anything about the backgrounds of the jackets he copied?
Because there's still confusion on it... did he copy the Martin Grace for most part or the Leather concessionaires?
thanks..
Indiana Williams wrote:What Tony told me was the first jacket he reproduced had features of the leather concessionaries jacket. Gs jacket was more like the main jacket the one Tony is hush hush about. He was told not to reveal its source so hes a man of his word.Believe me I wish he would have filled me in on the full story but he didnt. As Tony told me the proof is on screen. The picture he showed me was a collage of Raiders pics showing certin features of the jacket such as the grain of the leather, no facings and the nickel snaps on the pockets.Dutch_jones wrote:Indiana Williams, you've talked to Tony did you ask anything about the backgrounds of the jackets he copied?
Because there's still confusion on it... did he copy the Martin Grace for most part or the Leather concessionaires?
thanks..
agent5 wrote:We're getting closer. The features look great but the leather looks way off. But as long as the buyer is happy then thats all the matters.
So, am I now to understand that we have seen copies of both jackets then?
Interesting it still comes to our specs to get the jacket too look like it does on screen, I don't think thats the way it should be though when having copied a hero jacket.Chris_King wrote:Jacket #001/888 (slydini's) - First jacket shown. No requested changes were made.
Second and third jackets shown (Hatch & Indiana G's) - FAN REQUESTED changes to make them more closely resemble the HERO jacket. These changes are NOT the result of Tony making a replica of the Hero jacket that he supposedly borrowed for a day.
Chris
Im sorry I couldnt lift the vail anymore fellas I tried. Satipo wrote:So, all we need now is someone to request an exact copy of the hero jacket as opposed to the other one, or their own specs, right?
I may be new here, but it looks to me that the jackets don't match entirely. I think the B&W photo IS a Raiders and the cover shot is most likely a LC.Chris_King wrote:Here we go guys. Here's the Martin Grace jacket as it appeared in the Butterfield & Butterfield auction from 1994.
Click on the links for the hi-res versions.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee16 ... ket1-L.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee16 ... ket2-L.jpg
What do you think of this???
Chris
Your too kind, RC.
