Indy IV keeps with bag strap under jacket tradition..briefly

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:09 pm

After watching Indy IV for the 17th time, I realized that for a brief moment, Indy DOES have his bag UNDER his jacket, as seen in the previous films. Sadly, they must have recognized the oops and fixed it.

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GoldenHistorian · Post by **GoldenHistorian** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:21 pm

This sounds weird but i have like a tingling in head that says HF did that but the costumers told him off.
it maybe just me but....

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:47 pm

ha ha good find......someone needs to do better at continuity. same goes for fords magical shirt that tucks and untucks itself in area 51......and since we're at it.....someone throw uncle george in an area 51 crate and let the real players write up indy 5.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:48 pm

Exactly

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Louisiana Jones · Post by **Louisiana Jones** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:09 pm

Indiana G wrote:and since we're at it.....someone throw uncle george in an area 51 crate and let the real players write up indy 5.

Amen brother!

LJ

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:08 pm

I know this may be from way out of left field, and let me clarify i PREFER the strap under the jacket, but what if Dr. Jones decided to start wearing the strap on the outside. I mean that Last Crusade bag strap fiasco almost killed him, so maybe he decided, "If I had been wearing the strap on the outside of the jacket, I could have just slipped out and then beat the snot out of Colonel Vogel."

I know, I know, he still could have just slipped his arm out of his jacket sleeve, but...just some food for thought.

Switch625 · Post by **Switch625** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:32 am

Hollowpond wrote:I know this may be from way out of left field, and let me clarify i PREFER the strap under the jacket, but what if Dr. Jones decided to start wearing the strap on the outside. I mean that Last Crusade bag strap fiasco almost killed him, so maybe he decided, "If I had been wearing the strap on the outside of the jacket, I could have just slipped out and then beat the snot out of Colonel Vogel." I know, I know, he still could have just slipped his arm out of his jacket sleeve, but...just some food for thought.

That's the exact reason I came up with to justify taking the bag over the jacket. The man's not a professor for nothing, I'm sure it only takes one near-death experience while hanging from a tank by the bag strap to get him to make this change. However, considering how much the darn thing swings around while he's fighting Dovchenko in the jungle, he may put it back under the jacket.

sithspawn · Post by **sithspawn** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:16 am

I watched LC the other day and I wondered how he got out of that strap situation so fast.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:04 pm

sithspawn wrote:I watched LC the other day and I wondered how he got out of that strap situation so fast.

the same way the hovitos managed to rig a photo-sensitive boobie trap ;-)

a nice "nod" would of set everyone's mind at ease......say that indy is putting on his gear and throws his jacket over his bag at home.....sees a pic of a tank....then throws the bag on the outside saying, "fool me once.....".....something like that......

Switch625 · Post by **Switch625** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:58 pm

So I'm watching the Pre-Production feature on disc 1 of the KOTCS blu-ray and at about 9:30 or so into it, there's a shot of Harrison, in full costume, talking to Steven and he's got the bag under the jacket and he's wearing the gun belt the right way. I think they were doing screen or lighting tests of everything. So at some point after that, a conscious decision was made to put the bag over the jacket and reverse the gun belt. Interesting to see that they were going with the classic style at some point early on.

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:45 pm

You know how crazy the strap-over-the-jacket thing has made me? Not only do I refuse to wear it that way (even though I have CS gear), but I couldn't stand the sight of my CS Indy figure like that. So I actually peeled off the torso part of the little jacket, put the satchel on him like normal, and then replaced the jacket over it. Now I can finally sleep again.

Switch625 · Post by **Switch625** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:48 pm

I did that too as soon as I opened the package. So if you're crazy, I'm crazy too.

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:30 pm

Nice to know I'm not alone in my gear insanity.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:53 pm

I know!!! I wonder whose bright idea it was to change it

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Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:13 am

I started to think maybe it was HF's idea to put the strap over the jacket this time around back when the behind-the-scenes footage was first played on indianajones.com. In said footage, HF takes off his hat, jacket and bag in one motion. Maybe it was easier for HF to take off the gear in between takes - perhaps for the "new and improoved" stunt techniques (wires and harnesses and such) and safety equipment

Just a theory.

;-)

Louisiana Jones · Post by **Louisiana Jones** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:44 am

Perhaps it was to break up the monotony of the pre-D look of the leather jacket.. not much character there. I know some people loved the new jacket but to a lot of us it was pretty bland.. maybe they wanted to break up the look by throwing a piece of gear over it or something?

Isn't it crazy how much of a discussion one little gear change can create?!

LJ

The Steel Beast · Post by **The Steel Beast** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:54 am

You know I had a weird idea, and I have to watch the movie a few more times to see if its true, but it seems that they may have been trying for a little reality on this, I noticed early on that when Indy uses his whip in the warehouse he carries it uncoiled for a little bit instead of it magically being on his belt again, maybe the bag is under the jacket until the russians take it away (as the do several times) and he does'nt have time to take off his jacket to put it on properly after escaping and just throws it on over everything.

possible?

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:35 am

Good theory, but it proves otherwise in the Peru streets and Ox's cell and the cemetery scenes.

NIBS

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:45 am

I blame Pollack for doing it and Spielberg for letting it stay.

Oh, BTW Whipwarrior, I did the change on my CS Indy figure too! ;-)

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:50 am

I don't blame anyone. Who cares?

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:03 am

Clearly a lot of us care. If I cant critique the outfit at IndyGEAR (cow) then where can I?

It just looked @#$% frankly.

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:06 am

conceited_ape wrote:It just looked @#$% frankly.

Oh. My. God. We cant even say 'cr@p' here anymore?!

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:06 am

Indiana G wrote:ha ha good find......someone needs to do better at continuity.

You guys never watched the original trilogy, did you? ;-)

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:11 am

Sorry, but in the screen grabs above, the back of the jacket could have just flipped over the strap, so I believe it's still outside the jacket, just hidden by the back.

As to being 'bothered' by it....the answer is also 'no'. Anyone who has used a bag with jacket in real life KNOWS what a pain in the backside that arrangement is. The CS style of wear is actually the most useful if you use the bag and want to take it off without having to undress first.

Maybe Ford and the costumer finally came to their senses.

Regards! Michaelson

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:02 am

Like most everyone else here, when I saw the movie on the big screen I noticed the (offending) strap immediately...
Thing is, for me it kinda' made sense:

Despite the fact that the Indy movies frequently spiral off into the realms of the truly fantastic (melting natzis, magic rocks, disappearing wounds, REALLY well-made refrigerators)...
they DO still "ground themselves" in a foundation with a basis in reality (if a bullet nicks your arm and a guy starts punching you hard where you're bleeding... it HURTS... a LOT).

If we expand our ideas about Indy's adventures to include the idea that
- obviously all kindsa' stuff goes on in between scenes in the movie: (i.e. in ROTLA after the ropes holding Indy & Marion burn away, they clearly - somehow - get themselves off the island and back to America with the Ark... even though we never actually see it)
And ALSO expand our ideas about Indy's adventures to include the idea that
- obviously all kindsa' stuff goes on in between the MOVIES themselves: (i.e. when we all first saw Last Crusade, Indy makes no mention of his "wife Marion" - nor does he wear a wedding band - therefore, we're safe in assuming that even if he WAS still seeing Marion... they are likely NOT married)
But, in either case, we're all left to draw our own conclusions (and maybe "throw them into the ring" - and verbally duke it out - in THIS forum!)

So, my point is this: When I first saw that strap OVER - and not under- the shoulder of his jacket in Crystal Skull... I immediately threw all suspicion about "aesthetic decisions made by Bernie" or "Mr. Ford wanting to undress quicker" OUT the window and instead, reconciled myself to the idea that:
Back when our beloved - but fictional - Indy clung to the side-gun of the tank in Last Crusade, dirt and rock raining down on him from overhead and imminent death rushing towards him (all the while TRAPPED by the fact that the strap of his satchel ran UNDERNEATH his jacket) he simply - but urgently - thought to himself

"If I manage to luck out of this fix I SWEAR I will NEVER again put the satchel on FIRST!
Remember that! JACKET ON FIRST!
And if I forget again... may a 700 year old Knight CUT IT OFF ME!"

See? Simple... He's been wearing it that way since the day after the ride into the sunset ant the end of Last Crusade.

(But I'm still gonna wear mine UNDER my jacket... I'm "Raiders" right to the bone.)
All the Best,
Mitch

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:11 am

I have a nice leather messenger bag my girlfriend gave me to replce the functional, but boring one I had befoe that I used for my lap top and other stuff when I travel around.

I throw the bag on, then my jacket (naturally).

Then I gte to my car, and I have to take off the jacket to get the bag off.

Then I realize it's cold and I need a jacket, so I put it back on.

Then I get in the car and drive off.

Now the bag is over the jacket. It's easier (unless you want to take off the jacket and not the bag!)

Either way you wear it, it's not the best way. You always will be in a situation where you wish you had it the 'other' way...

Just my experience talking! ;-)

Post by **Ken** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:48 am

Never, anywhere in my life can I ever recall seeing a bag worn under other clothing, with the strap under something. Not in real life, not in a movie... nowhere. Why? Just so impractical - like said above, you have to take off your jacket to take off the bag?

You are nearly always going to need to take off the bag in priority over taking off a jacket.

The only possible exception I can think is the likes of hiking and wearing waterproofs.

However that doesnt mean I dont love the look of the bag under the jacket - very distinctive.

Ken

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:01 am

Michaelson wrote:Sorry, but in the screen grabs above, the back of the jacket could have just flipped over the strap, so I believe it's still outside the jacket, just hidden by the back.

As to being 'bothered' by it....the answer is also 'no'. Anyone who has used a bag with jacket in real life KNOWS what a pain in the backside that arrangement is. The CS style of wear is actually the most useful if you use the bag and want to take it off without having to undress first.

Maybe Ford and the costumer finally came to their senses.

Regards! Michaelson

There is no way it could be OVER the bag in the first three pics. Just look at where the straps are supposed to connect to the bag. You would definitely be a noticeable change in the jacket flap position

Over

Under

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Indiana Neri · Post by **Indiana Neri** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:25 am

Personally, I think Indy would prefere to wear the strap under the jacket for the simple fact that the bag won't slip off so easily. Ever try running around like the way Indy does with the bag over the jacket? Also, if you're out and about, having the strap under the jacket prevents it from being stolen by potential thieves. Again, that's not to say that wearing it over the jacket doesn't have it's benefits, but I think it was more of a conscious decision of HF (as I suggested above), rather than the prop or costuming department. Again, just a theory....

;-)

Switch625 · Post by **Switch625** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:34 am

Indiana Neri wrote:Personally, I think Indy would prefere to wear the strap under the jacket for the simple fact that the bag won't slip off so easily. Ever try running around like the way Indy does with the bag over the jacket? Also, if you're out and about, having the strap under the jacket prevents it from being stolen by potential thieves. Again, that's not to say that wearing it over the jacket doesn't have it's benefits, but I think it was more of a conscious decision of HF (as I suggested above), rather than the prop or costuming department. Again, just a theory....

;-)

I agree. In CS, he didn't move or anything without the bag swinging around his neck, like in the fight with Dovchenko. If that were me, it would be extremely annoying.

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:21 pm

Not to mention that many of his vital documents (passport, cash, travellers cheques, etc would PRESUMABLY be in one of the bags smaller compartments. I wouldn't want things like that to move very much! Indy never really appears to have stuff in his pockets. As a regular international traveller it makes sense for Indy to wear the bag in a 'restrictive' fashion.

IndyFalco · Post by **IndyFalco** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:08 am

conceited_ape wrote:Not to mention that many of his vital documents (passport, cash, travellers cheques, etc would PRESUMABLY be in one of the bags smaller compartments. I wouldn't want things like that to move very much! Indy never really appears to have stuff in his pockets. As a regular international traveller it makes sense for Indy to wear the bag in a 'restrictive' fashion.

WORD

moviematt1989 · Post by **moviematt1989** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:27 pm

I blame George Lucas' neck....its possessed his mind.

NatiJones · Post by **NatiJones** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:45 pm

conceited_ape wrote:Not to mention that many of his vital documents (passport, cash, travellers cheques, etc would PRESUMABLY be in one of the bags smaller compartments. I wouldn't want things like that to move very much! Indy never really appears to have stuff in his pockets. As a regular international traveller it makes sense for Indy to wear the bag in a 'restrictive' fashion.

But if you look a crook can still lift his hand inside and take his stuff... it's not like Indy has the bag's open flap hidden away under his jacket... so either way he's leaving himself open for someone to take his things... not saying anyone would rob Indy...

Switch625 · Post by **Switch625** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:12 pm

NatiJones wrote:But if you look a crook can still lift his hand inside and take his stuff... it's not like Indy has the bag's open flap hidden away under his jacket... so either way he's leaving himself open for someone to take his things... not saying anyone would rob Indy...

I don't know... Said crook would have to unsnap at least one of the snaps on the flap, lift the flap up enough to get his or her hand in there and this motion alone would cause the jacket to move around, since the very top of the bag is under the jacket. Unless Indy was unconscious or seriously distracted, I think he'd notice all of that movement and immediately punch the guy in the face.

NatiJones · Post by **NatiJones** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:00 am

Switch625 wrote:
NatiJones wrote:But if you look a crook can still lift his hand inside and take his stuff... it's not like Indy has the bag's open flap hidden away under his jacket... so either way he's leaving himself open for someone to take his things... not saying anyone would rob Indy...
I don't know... Said crook would have to unsnap at least one of the snaps on the flap, lift the flap up enough to get his or her hand in there and this motion alone would cause the jacket to move around, since the very top of the bag is under the jacket. Unless Indy was unconscious or seriously distracted, I think he'd notice all of that movement and immediately punch the guy in the face.

If you've ever traveled you'd know it doesn't take much for anyone to slip in and take a wallet or passport... Indy's bag is opened under the flap so all they have to really do is slip in two fingers and grab... and normally people who are pick pocketed are walking and therefore are distracted... but you're right Indy would punch him in the face if he saw him!

Ghos7a55assin · Post by **Ghos7a55assin** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:38 pm

I always assumed that the logic for having the bag under the jacket was that Indy usually travels to hot places, so he would be taking on and taking off his jacket much more frequently than the bag, therefore it made sense to have it under the jacket. I used to live in the Subtropics, and I would be taking my jacket off constantly, so it was perfect to have my stuff still on me even after I took it off and carried it.

moviematt1989 · Post by **moviematt1989** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:27 pm

In reality, Indy's a character and it does no good to speculate how fictional person would travel; if we did we should ask ourselves how come he wears a leather jacket in the Peruvian and Indian jungles? It's just all good fun, and who cares how he puts his satchel on? it's the character we care about.

Restless Dreamer · Post by **Restless Dreamer** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:53 pm

moviematt1989 wrote:In reality, Indy's a character and it does no good to speculate how fictional person would travel; if we did we should ask ourselves how come he wears a leather jacket in the Peruvian and Indian jungles?

AND a fur felt hat. in Egypt!!! I'm soaked in sweat when I wear my fedora in these days here in Italy, I can only imagine how would it be in a hotter place

scot2525 · Post by **scot2525** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:08 pm

NatiJones wrote:
conceited_ape wrote:Not to mention that many of his vital documents (passport, cash, travellers cheques, etc would PRESUMABLY be in one of the bags smaller compartments. I wouldn't want things like that to move very much! Indy never really appears to have stuff in his pockets. As a regular international traveller it makes sense for Indy to wear the bag in a 'restrictive' fashion.

But if you look a crook can still lift his hand inside and take his stuff... it's not like Indy has the bag's open flap hidden away under his jacket... so either way he's leaving himself open for someone to take his things... not saying anyone would rob Indy...

Short Round would!

RobocopIndy · Post by **RobocopIndy** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 pm

I had an old brown leather jacket that I'd wear to work and after a couple of years of wearing my laptop case over the top of my jacket, the strap eventually wore a place on my left shoulder... so I think I'll wear my MkVII underneath my new G&B Expo.