KOTCS Fedora

[WConly]

This may have been covered before...so, if it has I am sorry to bring it up again -- but, I was watching the DVD of the movie last night and something I noticed, that I had not on the bring screen was Indy's brim on Steve's hats...it looks smaller--more trimed then previous Indy hats.

Is it just me, or is this reality? Steve what were the deminsions of the brim for this film.

Thanks! W>

[BendingOak]

2 3/4 with a 1/4 inch off the sides.

[mcmanm]

Oak,

I'm sure the dimensions are on here somewhere. However, as someone who makes these hats for a living, could you please elaborate on the differences between the ROTLA and the CS. I currently have the new Keppler ROTLA and am in line for one of your Brown CS hats. I am sure there are others who would like your take on the subject.

[BendingOak]

On the Raiders hats I take my cues from Steve. My size ( 23 inches ) I would make the brim 2 7/8 with a 1/4 of the the sides and change them from depending on the size.


On the CS I make them all 2 3/4 with 1/4 inch of the sides. Again taking my cues from Steve.

[mcmanm]

Thanks man. I can see the light now, or maybe its just so bright from being stuck in that hot, dark fridge!

[darthbish]

that's odd, coz I didn't actually think the brim looked smaller but after watching KotCS again I thought that the crown looked bigger...(I guess it's the same thing, just looking at it from a different perspective)..

I certainly mean no disrespect here, but put a KotCS next to a Raiders Bash I'd go the Raiders everytime

[Dutch_jones]

The prototype hat that ended up in the movie had a wide brim and it looked more like a Raiders hat on Ford:

Its visible in the scene where the UFO flies off, and Indy looks up and says somewhere your grandpa is laughing his pants off ( or somehting like that.)

[eazybox]

I certainly mean no disrespect here, but put a KotCS next to a Raiders Bash I'd go the Raiders everytime

Actually, Steve himself would probably agree with you on this. He just supplied the bash Bernie Pollack wanted for CS.

The Train Traveller hat in CS has a wider 2 7/8 inch brim and looks better, in my opinion. I wish they had used those dimensions, along with a Raiders crease, throughout the film, although as Dutch pointed out at least one wider brimmed brown hat got in by mistake. But Ford is older now, and a more conservative look does seem appropriate.

Jack

[Dutch_jones]

I certainly mean no disrespect here, but put a KotCS next to a Raiders Bash I'd go the Raiders everytime

Actually, Steve himself would probably agree with you on this. He just supplied the bash Bernie Pollack wanted for CS.

The Train Traveller hat in CS has a wider 2 7/8 inch brim and looks better, in my opinion. I wish they had used those dimensions, along with a Raiders crease, throughout the film, although as Dutch pointed out at least one wider brimmed brown hat got in by mistake. But Ford is older now, and a more conservative look does seem appropriate.

Jack

Don't forget ! its not just steve ! Marc was part of the deal too ! actually it all started with Marc!

[eazybox]

Sorry, I didn't mean to slight Marc and probably should have said "AB" instead of referring to Steve specifically.

Jack

[Michaelson]

Don't forget ! its not just steve ! Marc was part of the deal too ! actually it all started with Marc!

Uh, not so, Dutch, at least the 'who's on first' part.

Peter Botwright gave Bernie Pollack Steve Delk's name first, then Steve brought Marc into the deal. It started with Steve.

That needed to be cleared up.

Carry on. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

[jacksdad]

I love the hat in CS and that's the type I ordered from Oak.

[Dutch_jones]

Don't forget ! its not just steve ! Marc was part of the deal too ! actually it all started with Marc!

Uh, not so, Dutch, at least the 'who's on first' part.

Peter Botwright gave Bernie Pollack Steve Delk's name first, then Steve brought Marc into the deal. It started with Steve.

That needed to be cleared up.

Carry on. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

Thats is not the way it went:


A member of this board mentioned Marc's name to Peter when he told about being contacted by Bernie Pollack, and Bernie had asked Peter about the suppliers of the Original trilogy's hats. When Peter Told Bernie he thought they weren't there anymore ( Swales) He did not have an alternative for Bernie. The person (I will not mention who those involved will know who it is). Then told Peter have you told him about Marc?

Peter Brought Bernie in contact with Marc first. It was one of Marcs AB deluxes that arrived at Western Costumes shortly after that.( G-mann's Hat) And then for ease ( because of the big time difference) Steve had all the contact with Bernie. That needed to be clear, this can be verified by Marc/Steve.

[BendingOak]

Don't forget ! its not just steve ! Marc was part of the deal too ! actually it all started with Marc!

Uh, not so, Dutch, at least the 'who's on first' part.

Peter Botwright gave Bernie Pollack Steve Delk's name first, then Steve brought Marc into the deal. It started with Steve.

That needed to be cleared up.

Carry on. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

Here we go again.

Steve and Marc should be the only ones telling the tell and we all should stay out of it.

Thats is not the way it went:


A member of this board mentioned Marc's name to Peter when he told about being contacted by Bernie Pollack, and Bernie had asked Peter about the suppliers of the Original trilogy's hats. When Peter Told Bernie he thought they weren't there anymore ( Swales) He did not have an alternative for Bernie. The person (I will not mention who those involved will know who it is). Then told Peter have you told him about Marc?

Peter Brought Bernie in contact with Marc first. It was one of Marcs AB deluxes that arrived at Western Costumes shortly after that.( G-mann's Hat) And then for ease ( because of the big time difference) Steve had all the contact with Bernie. That needed to be clear, this can be verified by Marc/Steve.

[Marc]

Of course I can't tell what was discussed between the member and Peter, but here's how things happened:

Bernie contacted Peter
A member recommended mentioning me towards Bernie
Peter recommended us (Steve AND me) to Bernie
Bernie called me up next day (1st. of May 2007) and I spoke to him about US and said WE whenever I was talking about Adventurebilt.
Bernie asked for a sample, which was supplied by G-Mann
I called up Steve and told him about the phone call I had had with Bernie
Bernie then called up Steve and asked for a sample from him as well
Steve and I made a Gentlemen aggreement, that if either one of us would get THE order, the other one would make 50% of the hats no matter what
Both of us continued to send in different samples
Bernie continued to call Steve and me, me and Steve and Steve and me again and that went on until Bernie said it would become to complicated to talk to two hatters from one and the same company and due to the time differences it would be easier to stay in touch with Steve.
The rest is history ;-)

Regards,

Marc

[morethanatimelord]

yeah, i mean if this is steve and marc`s business then whats it got to do with the rest of us?

[gwyddion]

yeah, i mean if this is steve and marc`s business then whats it got to do with the rest of us?

Sorry, but I don't understand: Isn't this Board all about what gear Indy uses and where it came from/how it got to be his? ;-)

Regards, Geert

[morethanatimelord]

yeah but if its steve and marc`s business etc then they should be the ones telling us about it not others they know better than anyone how it went down . ;-)

[whipwarrior]

Of course I can't tell what was discussed between the member and Peter, but here's how things happened:

This reminds me of the ending of the movie Clue.

It could have happened THIS way.

But here's what REALLY happened.

[morethanatimelord]

Of course I can't tell what was discussed between the member and Peter, but here's how things happened:

This reminds me of the ending of the movie Clue.

It could have happened THIS way.

But here's what REALLY happened.

lol love that movie!!

[BoilermakerJones]

This reminds me of the ending of the movie Clue.

Being old enough, I saw Clue in the theater. I believe there were three possible endings, but each theater randomly got a different last reel. It was the luck of the draw which you saw.

I haven't seen it on video, but I assume from what you said that they included all the endings when they made the video.

Sorry for the off topic.

Matt

[morethanatimelord]

This reminds me of the ending of the movie Clue.

Being old enough, I saw Clue in the theater. I believe there were three possible endings, but each theater randomly got a different last reel. It was the luck of the draw which you saw.

I haven't seen it on video, but I assume from what you said that they included all the endings when they made the video.

Sorry for the off topic.

Matt

yes all three endings are on the dvd

[Michaelson]

Of course I can't tell what was discussed between the member and Peter, but here's how things happened:

Bernie contacted Peter
A member recommended mentioning me towards Bernie
Peter recommended us (Steve AND me) to Bernie
Bernie called me up next day (1st. of May 2007) and I spoke to him about US and said WE whenever I was talking about Adventurebilt.
Bernie asked for a sample, which was supplied by G-Mann
I called up Steve and told him about the phone call I had had with Bernie
Bernie then called up Steve and asked for a sample from him as well
Steve and I made a Gentlemen aggreement, that if either one of us would get THE order, the other one would make 50% of the hats no matter what
Both of us continued to send in different samples
Bernie continued to call Steve and me, me and Steve and Steve and me again and that went on until Bernie said it would become to complicated to talk to two hatters from one and the same company and due to the time differences it would be easier to stay in touch with Steve.
The rest is history ;-)

Regards,

Marc

Interesting. So, Marc, if I'm reading what you've written above, you're saying you were responible for bringing Steve in. Right? Please clarify.

Michaelson

[G-MANN]

Of course I can't tell what was discussed between the member and Peter, but here's how things happened:

Bernie contacted Peter
A member recommended mentioning me towards Bernie
Peter recommended us (Steve AND me) to Bernie
Bernie called me up next day (1st. of May 2007) and I spoke to him about US and said WE whenever I was talking about Adventurebilt.
Bernie asked for a sample, which was supplied by G-Mann
I called up Steve and told him about the phone call I had had with Bernie
Bernie then called up Steve and asked for a sample from him as well
Steve and I made a Gentlemen aggreement, that if either one of us would get THE order, the other one would make 50% of the hats no matter what
Both of us continued to send in different samples
Bernie continued to call Steve and me, me and Steve and Steve and me again and that went on until Bernie said it would become to complicated to talk to two hatters from one and the same company and due to the time differences it would be easier to stay in touch with Steve.
The rest is history ;-)

Regards,

Marc

Yes sir that is how it happened.

Cheers,
G-MANN

[Michaelson]

Ok. Keep in mind, a couple of us were in direct communication with the set and principals during pre-production and production, and I just wanted to make sure I understood how this was being told to folks by Marc. If so, it explains a lot.

Thank you.

Michaelson

[G-MANN]

I was on the phone with Marc that morning and knew about this even before Steve. That is how I managed to get the hat to Bernie so quickly. Bernie even called me to thank me for sending my hat to him for Marc.

It is very possible that Marc tried to call Steve first but he reached me first.

Cheers,
John

[Marc]

Interesting. So, Marc, if I'm reading what you've written above, you're saying you were responible for bringing Steve in. Right? Please clarify.

No, I really don't think so. As far as I REMEMBER(!!!) Peter recommended BOTH of us to Bernie, but really, you'd have to ask Peter (before I make any false claims here).

Peter called me up Sunday the 31st. of March 2007 in the evening. One day before Bernie got in touch with me for the first time. Well, ok, I better be VERY precise with what I'm writing here... I came home to see that someone from the UK had tried to call me and called back. Peter picked up the phone with "hello" or something alike and I introduce myself as "Marc Kitter from Adventurebilt Hat Co." (not knowing who I was talking to). Peter answered with "Hi mate, how's it going?" (or something similar) whereafter I asked whom I'm talking to

Ok, Peter then told me that he had been contacted by the personal costume designer of Harrison Ford for Indy IV (no title known at that time) and that he'd fly to LA on Wednesday to meet with him, that it's the brother of Sidney Pollack - Bernie Pollack and that he'd bring some shirts too etc. etc. To be perfectly honest, at that time, though crossing my fingers for Peter, I had no idea why he had called me I met Peter the year before together with Pam (his wife) at the Indygear summit in Hamburg and - though one helluva nice guy - I hadn't been in touch with him except for a few calls regarding jackets for me. Close to the end of the conversation, almost on a side note, Peter told me that "oh, btw., Bernie asked me if I'd know someone who could make these darn hats" THAT was when the light bulb turned bright and I had to sit down! "Ok.... so...???" "Well, I told him to get in touch with you guys" (I'm pretty darn sure he said guyS - plural) "and I gave Bernie your number, so don't be surprised if he calls you up one of these days." Now I was in SHOCK to be honest, called up Steve and he went as well. After hyping ourselves up like a cube full of chicken, I ended the chat with Steve and went to bed. Next day Bernie called after I just came back from a walk with my wife...

Regards,

Marc

[Marc]

It is very possible that Marc tried to call Steve first but he reached me first.

That's true. On Monday evening (my time), after Bernie asked for a sample, I tried to call Steve immediately, but the line was busy, so I called up John and asked him to send the hat - that he had just received away again. He asked something like "have you lost your mind???" I explained the situation and off it went.

Regards,

Marc

[Marc]

I just wanted to make sure I understood how this was being told to folks by Marc.

You have my word of honor that this it what I experienced Michaelson. Every word has been written as exact as I humanly can be, nothing added or removed. Honestly it doesn't even matter to me on who did what and when, except that Steve and I were given the honor to make the hats.

Regards,

Marc

[Michaelson]

Ok. Thanks.

Michaelson

[G-MANN]

Here is an old post from Steve that shows that both Steve and Marc were in on this together as a team right from the Git Go. In the long run isn't that what mattered after all.... Marc and Steve worked VERY HARD as a team that got the job done and put both of thier names in the Indy History Book. As well as thier hats on Harrison's head.

Cheers,
G-MANN

Oh gosh yeah... we both tried so hard to get a turned Raiders Fedora in there. Almost to the point where the customer got sick of it

That's the truth. Both of us were really pushing the Raiders hat, but it just was not meant to be. So we made it a hybrid. Raiders/TLC. We were told he was not looking for a tapered hat, as many of the other samples from others were too tapered. Our straight sided block was what they were after. Glad we just happen to have it!! Not only did we have it, but we had already been using it for a few years. I don't want to give US too much credit here, as the costumer used us to create the hat they wanted. And they were nit picking every detail, just as they should have done. What helped us, was we were gearheads, and knew exactly what they were talking about when they would mention something pertaining to the final look. Face it, other hatters make many different kinds of hats, but only Marc and I specialize in Indy's fedora. That sure made it easier for us. Since we knew the films by heart, all they had to do was mention a certain scene from a certain Indy film, and we did not have to run to put the dvd in to see what they were talking about. We already knew, instantly. Some would call that a sickness. Yeah, no doubt it really helped that we really had studied this hat, and for years. All we had to do was to remember that at COW, every nuance had been talked about and discussed ad nauseum. It is very fitting that the site that is devoted to Indy's gear was instrumental in getting a good hat on Indy's head for his final adventure, almost 30 years after the first hat came on the scene. We paid homeage to Deborah, the original hat designer as no one could ever top her Raiders fedora that started all of this. With each film came a new costumer, an in my opinion, the first costumer and the last costumer presented the best looking hats, but I am predjudiced for good reason towards the last hat. I think once you guys get to see this hat in the whole film, you will see our homeage to Deborah along with some of the new costumers visions of Indy's fedora. The current costumer really did sweat bullets over the hat and other gear items, as he was as difficult to please as any other hat anal Indy fan. He understood just how important this hat was, more so than I think some of the other costumers felt when they were involved, going by what some of the other hats looked like from them.

There is something that I can say without getting into trouble. We had 5 or 6 samples out there that we had made in Ford's size. (not a true 7 1/4 hat size by the way) and the way the final dimensions were chosen was through the use of a costume test. Steven filmed Harrison in the various hats of ours and then picked the one he wanted from viewing the dailies of the film test. So, they picked the hat by HOW it appeared on screen. This was a total surprise to me(don't know if Marc was surprised), as I thought they would just put it on him and say ok, or not. But what do I know about filmmaking? Zip. nit, nothing. These hats had various dimensions of brim widths and crown heights. And if I understand it correctly, Steven actually picked which hat he wanted, that the costumer supplied him with. And once the right hat was decided upon, our jobs became almost stress free, and the fun started. Until that time, we were both stressed out with worry. Would our hats be good enough, was the order of the day back then in May. The suspense was killing us. Neither of us could sleep with the antiscipation of finding out if we got this gig. Little did we know at that time that they stopped looking when they got in our samples. We did not know several other hatters had already been looked at but they could not give them what the costumer was after. We just thought we were one company among many who were in the running. One hatter was even given a month to come up with the hat. He failed.

The one person who was instrumental in getting us in the front door was our own Peter Botright. Without Peter directing them to us, this would have never happened. So, Marc and I owe Peter a debt we can never repay. Although we showed him our appreciation in the form of a nice bottle of liquid courage, which turned out to be one of his favorites. So I will say thank you Peter, while knowing just a thank you does not seem to be enough for what he did for us. We will forever be in his debt for doing us such a tremendous favor!!! He gave us the chance to show them what we could do.


I want to go ahead and get another thing out there that is a personal thing between Marc and I, but which may come up at some point in time. We both sent hats, and because of Marc's distance from LA, he had Gmann send a hat Marc had just made for him, to the costumer. I just stayed up all night and made a sample and overnighted it the next day. So, he got Gmann's Deluxe one day,(I think Gmann actually got to talk to the costumer later on) and mine the next. At first, this AB deal was confusing to the costumer. Two hats, both with the AB name, but one from Germany and one from Mississippi. Now this was early in the process and the costumer did not quite understand my and Marc's connection until later. Now, Marc and I had talked and we quickly agreed that if they chose his hat, he would allow me to make half of the order. IF they chose my hat, I would do the same thing for him. Afterall, we are friends and both of us are obsessed with this brown fedora, and I had even wanted Marc to help make my AB hats when I first started the AB line a few years ago. I even made Marc his first block, that he later improved upon. We have always been kindred spirits when it comes to the Raiders fedora. So, we had that agreement, that if we lucked up and got his deal, we would include the other. That is just the way that we are.

So Marc sent his Raiders blocked hat, and I sent my original Raiders block that I use on my Raider fedoras, but then I also sent my new revised Raiders block when the costumer asked for a another sample, and I don't recall why, but I felt that perhaps they might need to see another blockshape, and instead of sending my old Raiders block, I sent a hat made from the new one that I had recently revised, but was not using because everyone here seemed to prefer the older one.(what a run on sentence,but I am in a hurry so I will let it stay) When the hat was chosen by Steven from the film test, it ended up being my new Raiders blockshape!! So, Marc had to have it copied and had to do it fast. But never underestimate the determination of Marc Kitter!! It cost him 800 bucks for two hat blocks to be made by his blockmaker, and I think the blockmaker worked all weekend to do it for Marc!! I wish my blockmaker was like that!! So, the new revised Raiders block was chosen, and since it came from me, I was chosen to be the one that the costumer was to deal with. but he knew full well that we were a team. I think also the reason he chose me to talk to was, 1) I was easier to phone as I was in the States, and 2) it was less confusing for him to deal with just one person. Makes sense.

So although I actually got the contract, that is on paper only. WE got the contract is the reality of the situation. Marc made half of the hats for the film, and he sent them to me to style, because Bernie only wanted me to style the hats as clones. I had to use a ruler to do so. Not that Marc did not style his hats, but I just tweaked them if need be, to make them clones of my own hats I was making. Never before had the hatter actually styled the hats, but we did it on this film. Per their instructions of course. Since the hats HAD to be clones, I also tweaked Marc's bows so that his bow looked identical to my bows . That is how detail oriented the costumer was. And that is why, when you see these hats on film, neither me or Marc will be able to tell if I made the hat, or if he made the hat. But we know both of our hats were worn by Indy. We mixed up the sweats so that some of his hats had my sweat, and some of my hats had his sweat!! We did this so regardless of who you buy from, he or I, you will be getting the same hats that Indy wore regardless of which hatter you choose. Like I said, this was a team effort from the get-go. And long after I am gone, Marc Kitter will still be around to give the fans the genuine Crystal Skull fedora. I like that. The AB name will outlive me and Marc is young enough to be around for many, many years unlike myself. I think this is the great thing about two guys making the film hats, especially when one of the hatters ain't no Spring chicken. So, now everyone knows an important part of the story as it pertains to Adventurebilt hats. And I needed to set the record straight early on, as to avoid any confusion later on. Appreciate all the kind words. But as I said earlier, I still can't believe it.

Oh, I have come up with a new line to retort back to the "Indy comments" that people are apt to make when they see me wearing my brown fedora, once the film gets everyone's attention back to Indy. Now, I can just simply say, "heck, I made his hat, and I am advertising it!" Fedora

[Marc]

Ok guys, I'm sorry. There's a single mistake above. It should have been the 30th. of APRIL where Peter called me and the 1st. of MAY, where Bernie called me. Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,

Marc

[Marc]

Just (yet) another thing that is important in my opinion.

It was STEVE who got the actual order from Bernie for the hats, as he liked his newest Raiders block from him the best. Steve kept his Gentleman word towards me and I was able to make my half (after I had his CS block replicated) - with the acceptance (and FedEx account number) of Bernie.

I matched my felt to Steve's and so did Steve on the hats HE made using the AB-Dlx. felt.

We shared like brothers and Steve did for me what I would have done for him. Whoever talked to whom, when and about what is TRULY not of any matter, as long as we got to make these hats IMO.

Regards,

Marc

[G-MANN]

On a lighter note it is Fedora not Federa

Cheers,
G-MANN

[Michaelson]

Dang spell checker!

Regards! Michaelson

[binkmeisterRick]

Looks good to me.

[Fedora]

Here's the email from Peter to me on April 30th.

Hi Steve.Please contact me ASAP, you may get a call in the meantime from Bernie Pollock re Indy 4. I have given him your details. This is top secret so tell no one.
Cheers
Peter
Wested Leather
0044 1322 660654

He sent the same one, or either called Marc, can't recall.

Bernie called Marc first, Marc called me a day later, and Bernie called me a day after that, if I recall correctly.

It was a strange situation really. Two friends and both Indy hatters, each vying for the contract. So, I don't recall who's idea it was, but we had a gentlemen's agreement, a handshake over the phone, that regardless who Bernie chose, the winner would include the other in making these hats. And Bernie was fully aware of this. He knew the hats were handmade and the time required to turn them out, and time was of the essence. Plus, he was well aware that Marc and I were friends and both nutty about these hats.

There were two reasons that Bernie chose me as the "point man" One undoubtably was because I was in closer proximity to him, and therefore much more convenient to reach on the phone at a decent hour. He really did not want to have to wake Marc up in the middle of the night!!! Although he did so a few times!

The other reason was because he liked the other blockshape that I had sent in. ( I had sent the other block in when I sensed he was looking for something more along the lines of TLC fedora, but a bit less tapered) He chose the CS block over the Raiders blocks that both Marc and I had sent in. Since he had chosen my hat, it was logical that I was to actually get the contract. If he had chosen Marc's, Marc would have gotten the contract. All the while knowing that both of us would be making the hats. He left it up to Marc and I to work out those details. But to me, it is just a matter of semantics. That is, who actually got the gig. AB got the gig is the way that I see it.


If not for Peter, who knows who would have made the hats? I talked to Bernie again yesterday. He was ordering hats from me for Steven, at this late date.(most of the film hats ended up with Lucas) He also told me yesterday that he had looked for the right Indy fedora for almost 6 months prior to finally finding us. He was almost ready to give up!!! Now, I am sure he was figuretively speaking when he said this, but those are his words. But, he had tried so many hatters looking for "the hat". And what he found, was either totally "off" or the materials were so shoddy he refused to use them. He mentioned numerous names, which will remain a secret with me. But, suffice to say, I was not surprised at who he turned down.

I don't want to sound pretentious, but I gotta tell you, when he told me(yesterday) we were the only hatters that knew what an Indy hat should look like, my own hat did get a little tight there for a few minutes. Bernie can make you feel really good about your work. And I am sure he was just being generous.
When he was threatending to find someone else at one point in this quest, I was under the impression he had many others who were in the running, and were good enough to make it to the costume test. But, it seems that he had already picked us, and most of the test only involved our 6 or 7 sample hats that he had that were ours. We had already won, it was just a matter of what dimensions Steven wanted for this film. Realizing of course, that TLC hat is Steven's fav Indy hat. All of the pics Bernie's assistant sent me as to the crease job were all from TLC. This was done during pre production, and for the sample hats that followed Marc's and my Raider creased hats that we had both sent early on.


The gray hats Indy wore were all mine. And had been turned down initially by Bernie. He was looking for an oxford gray, which is a bit darker than my gray. As it turns out, he could not find a hat that suited him in a darker gray, and decided to use my gray in the film. It was raining that day, and he freaked out, and said he used a half a can of Scotchguard on that hat as it was the only gray hat he had. I later had to make a back up as they were to use it again in the cafe scene that ws shot on a set later on. He originally ordered two extras, but only requested one of the two I had made. I still have the other gray one with the last liner in existence of what we used in the film. I used a vintage block to make the gray hat. Ain't saying which one either. But, you don't see many of them around on ebay. I have seen 3 in 12 years, and bought all 3. I intentionlly used it because I knew this block was indeed rare today. A business decision, and I admit it.


Since I don't have much time to post these days I will give some film info out on this post. Most noticed there was a lack of continuity in this last film in regards to the hat. This always puzzled me as I knew how picky Bernie was. Well, he was sorta miffed that on the days he was not present, his standin did not take care of the crease jobs on the hats very well. And it stood out like a sore thumb to him. The jungle chase scene was one of these instances that he mentioned, but there were several more. I was shocked to find he was not always there, but now I know why the hat did not always look the same, or as good in some scenes than in others. A mystery solved.

And one more thing. You did not mess with Ford's hat when he was doing his fight scenes!!! Not without pulling back a knub in the place of a hand!! He apparently was so involved in these scenes he did not want to be bothered!! I guess he was totally into the moment, and remarked, "its a fight, the hat doesn't have to look perfect." I guess the folks learned fast when to touch up his costume, and when to leave him alone. Fedora

[Indiana Strones]

Great story!!

[Marc]

Here's the email from Peter to me on April 30th.

And with that said, the last mystery on how we got the gig on making these hats is solved. Peter recomended BOTH from the get go and the rest is very well known.

Thanks my friend for chiming in!!!

Regards,

Marc

[IndianaLV]

Steve, Marc, thanks for clearing things up! The AB-Story is always a great read. You could fill books with it, and I would be first in line to buy one.

[...] at the Indygear summit in Hamburg [...]

It's a shame that I was not into gear collecting back then, and therefore didn't knew about COW. I would've loved to take part in that summit.

best regards,
Lukas

[laughograms]

I deleted all my Baron Hats questions and comments as I see that the subject has been well covered elsewhere and I am sure Steve has better things to do than to revisit a tired and ultimately not important subject. Suffice it to say Baron's attempt at an AB is a joke and anyone who believes they had a hand in the execution of the beautiful hats in KotVS hasn't seen the film . . .

[The Librarian]

Well there goes the plot for the next film. ;-)

Here's the email from Peter to me on April 30th.

And with that said, the last mystery on how we got the gig on making these hats is solved. Peter recomended BOTH from the get go and the rest is very well known.

Thanks my friend for chiming in!!!

Regards,

Marc

[moviematt1989]

What a fairy tale story...I LOVE it...Marc and Steve you guys are my heroes.

Love it!

[scot2525]

Yes the information provided here is far better than anything you could find in the bonus features of a two or three DVD set. That is one heckuva story and it appears that we don't have to worry about any "holes" being put into it down the road.

[binkmeisterRick]

That is one heckuva story and it appears that we don't have to worry about any "holes" being put into it down the road.

Sorry about that... you haven't been here long enough to how funny this is, have you? Just read through any section on the boards long enough and you'll know what I mean. ;-)

[Indiana Blooze]

Steve, Marc, congrats on a job well done, and still being able to remain on speaking terms ;-)

Peter, John, you guys deserve a big thank you too. Who knows what Indy's new hat would have ended up looking like if it weren't for your help.
I hope all four of you realize that you have become the answers to some future edition of Trivial Pursuit

[moviematt1989]

You know,

I'd also like to get a few words from Bernie...I mean he doesn't get much glory on the DVD, Not like DN did for the original...

Wouldn't it be awesome if there was like a whole featurette with Steve, Marc and Bernie all sitting down together sharing the story!

You guys should!

I want a fedora making of documentary!