TONY NOWAK IS REPLICATING AN ORIGINAL RAIDERS JACKET!!

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:58 pm

slydini wrote:Some more pics:
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn28 ... G_3477.jpg
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn28 ... G_3478.jpg
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn28 ... G_3479.jpg
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn28 ... G_3481.jpg

Thank you i've seen all I wanted to see.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:59 pm

Any leather facings? Inner pocket?

junior · Post by **junior** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:59 pm

Looks like a well made jacket. Like Rundquist, I think it may be too much grain for me. And, I did notice that the seam at the top of the cargo flap wasn't as wide as what I think has been evidenced before. See the last Todd's custom pic link to see what I am referring to.

All I would like to see now is:
- a pic under the arm for the gusset
- a close up of the collar from the front to get the shape
- a pic of you wearing it, both a front and rear shot.

junior

Post by **Holt** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:01 pm

wow.that hide looks kinda alligatorish or snakeish..

thanks for the pics.

Holt

mark seven · Post by **mark seven** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:02 pm

Indiana Strones wrote:Pockets look very different in shape.

Dinosaur skin..

Post by **Holt** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:04 pm

even though what kinda structur the skin has.I am sure it will last a lifetime.

GREAT jacket.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:05 pm

Rundquist wrote: On the other hand, the TODD’s posted looks great. I don’t think that he has that calfskin available anymore though.

That's too bad.

I'll have to wait until I see more pics and some more members get it and talk about their impressions. I'm not gravitating toward this jacket at the moment, but I got in at the tail end of the backlash against Tony's CS jacket before the tide turned and people started to really like it. I have one now and it's a terrific jacket.

Satipo · Post by **Satipo** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:07 pm

If that is the same type of lambskin as on my Avirex, and it looks it, then this is one VERY tough jacket.

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:08 pm

Hmmm. Why isn't there a larger gap between the top of the cargo pocket flap and the stitching line that attaches it to the jacket body. Haven't seen any pics of Ford's hero jacket which had the pocket flap stitched on so closely to the edge of the flap.

I just tried to send an email to Tony but his mailbox is full.

Chris

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:16 pm

Here's an old U.S. Wings that is now in the possesion of my good friend G-Mann: http://indylounge.proboards105.com/inde ... thread=150

It also has some alligator structure to it (grain wise) - which I think looks awesome! It reminds me of the jacket we see while Indy and Marion are hiding behind the barrels (just be for the flying wing fight) and some other scenes (i.e. truck chase). Not everyones cup of tea, but I really like it.

Regards,

Marc

Post by **Holt** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:25 pm

G-mann jacket is BEAUTIFULL I am so glad we did go for that hide for the US Wings TOD project.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:28 pm

But ToD jacket doesn't look very grainy to my eyes...

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:05 pm

It seems I was right about the hide. ;-)

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:10 pm

slydini.......i like it!!! i like it alot!!! congratulations my friend, a very nice looking jacket. i think you've convinced me to go for it. i'll need to discuss further details with Tony and he should be giving me a call when i'm on deck.

thank you for sharing. despite all the criticisms that you read here in regards to that jacket, bear in mind that some of us in the peanut gallery are in awe of your acquisition and thank you greatly for sharing the details with us.

cheers friend,

g

PS - get it off that hanger before you stretch the leather!!!!!!!!!

Post by **Holt** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:16 pm

I am going in to soon.

slydini · Post by **slydini** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:33 pm

Indiana G wrote:PS - get it off that hanger before you stretch the leather!!!!!!!!!

I only had it on the hanger for the pics. Thanks for the kind words. I hope to be able to post a pic of me wearing it soon.

junior · Post by **junior** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:39 pm

FYI in regards to the Todd's custom pics: that isn't the calfskin that was referred to, it is the regular cowhide that Todd uses on the custom offering...but, to me, there's nothing regular about it. That's a nice hide.

junior

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:14 pm

Here's another couple shots of the G-Mann jacket, which in my opinion, is one of the nicest Indy jackets I've ever seen. It's not 100% accurate but it doesn't bother me at all. This is one nice old Cooper jacket that I wish I could get ahold of. The leather even looks old and brittle in the pics but I guarantee you it's some of the nicest leather I've felt. Nice, thick and heavy but very pliable. If Tony can source stuff similar to this then it would be a very good thing for his Raiders jacket.

Sorry about the retarded look on my face. My eyes aren't used to the sun.

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:20 pm

I'm waiting on number 016 to arrive .....that hide looks like it should reall mold to the body and take on your personality ...ready for what the real world has to dish out Hatch

slydini · Post by **slydini** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:28 pm

Congrats Hatch! You will love it!

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:33 pm

I dunno. I'm not a fan of what I see in the hide. I know fully that seeing it in person is way different than a photo, but so far I'm just not impressed all around. Dino-hide is a good decription. I know it's not the case but it looks like you can just flick a piece off if you wanted to. It looks cheap although I can be sure for $1000 it's just an illusion.

Tollan · Post by **Tollan** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:41 pm

yeah... kinda looks like snake-skin

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:54 pm

Thats the only thing that is bothering me. Maybe the hide will "tone" itself down later on and after use. I think I might have to drive up to Tonys and get a better look at this thing. If I do, I will be sure to snap some pics of the jacket as well as Tony's "hero" jacket, if he will let me...

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:00 pm

I'd love to see a side by side of the hero jacket and Tony's replica.

slydini - did you know that the cargo pockets would be positioned "innacurately" compared to the hero jacket and also, did you request the stitching of the pocket flap to be so close to the top of the flap instead of like the real jackets?

Chris

Indiana Williams · Post by **Indiana Williams** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:03 pm

ReturningSon wrote:Thats the only thing that is bothering me. Maybe the hide will "tone" itself down later on and after use. I think I might have to drive up to Tonys and get a better look at this thing. If I do, I will be sure to snap some pics of the jacket as well as Tony's "hero" jacket, if he will let me...

He doesnt have the hero jacket anymore, I spoke to him yesterday and believe me that was one of the first things I asked him about. ;-)

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:15 pm

I don't know if anyone would be interested but that Todd's jacket is mine. If anyone would like more detailed pics let me know.

slydini · Post by **slydini** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:26 pm

Chris_King wrote:slydini - did you know that the cargo pockets would be positioned "innacurately" compared to the hero jacket and also, did you request the stitching of the pocket flap to be so close to the top of the flap instead of like the real jackets?

Chris

No Chris,
I did not request a thing. This was the way the jacket came with no requests.
Paul

junior · Post by **junior** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:41 pm

Bogie, when someone posts some clear and close-up pics of a new TN Raiders jacket, that would be the time to take some pics from the same perspective as the ones that are posted of the TN, and then post yours...for a nice comparison.

BTW, I can only imagine how awesome your custom looks at this point.

junior

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:43 pm

The G-Man jacket's hide looks pretty similar to the new TN Raiders to me. You're only talking differences in the specific hides used to make a jacket, but it looks like the same stuff. I don't really see a difference. I'm not saying that there's anything particularly wrong with the hide. I just don't see it as a great hide for a "Raiders" jacket.

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:45 pm

This is very disturbing.
Something just isn't adding up here. So far, we've got incorrect placement of the sleeve and yoke seams, incorrect (improved for function) placement and shape of cargo pockets and incorrect detail at the top of the cargo pocket flap.

If you didn't request any of these changes, I wonder why Tony has decided to deviate from the hero jacket to this extent?

Until some of these things can be explained, I'm out of this.

Chris

slydini wrote: No Chris,
I did not request a thing. This was the way the jacket came with no requests.
Paul

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:49 pm

Something just isn't adding up here. So far, we've got incorrect placement of the sleeve and yoke seams, incorrect (improved for function) placement and shape of cargo pockets and incorrect detail at the top of the cargo pocket flap.

If you didn't request any of these changes, I wonder why Tony has decided to deviate from the hero jacket to this extent?

You're playing with fire, Chris. Playing with fire.

I'd love to see a side by side of the hero jacket and Tony's replica.

I think that's what we all want, but some little voice in the back of my head, some feeling I'm getting tells me this is not going to happen for any number of reasons anyone wants to concoct. I hope I'm wrong, but I've searched my feelings and my Jedi powers tell me differently.

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:57 pm

Why Jason? I'm just pointing out physical differences between this "exact replica" of Ford's hero jacket and the photos that we've all got of him wearing the hero jacket.
I'd LOVE for this to be the ultimate jacket and was hoping to see the first photos and go "THAT'S IT".
Unfortunately, I'm just numb at the moment and filled with lots of questions / doubts because some of these differences can't be put down to making it more functional. They're just not right (at least to my eyes).

Chris

agent5 wrote: You're playing with fire, Chris. Playing with fire.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:10 pm

Why Jason? I'm just pointing out physical differences between this "exact replica" of Ford's hero jacket and the photos that we've all got of him wearing the hero jacket.

Oh, I know, man. It's just that some people around here aren't don't seem too thrilled with those sorts of questions. I know, it's like the X-Files. You want to believe.

I was just razzing you a bit, that's all. Please don't take me seriously. Question away my man.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:29 pm

I just talked to Tony on the phone, and we discussed some of the reaction, etc. He says he can make whatever someone wants. But he's very very enthusiastic about the hide, and seems to think it matches the actual jacket he handled well.

I just can't wait for my CS skull jacket.

Although it's not my favourite movie, it's certainly reassuring to be getting something as close as you can get to a SA jacket...

Toldog07 · Post by **Toldog07** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:38 pm

how much is this new jacket?

Post by **Holt** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:52 pm

its close to a 1000 dollars.

heck I am calling Tony tomorrow.

I have to jump on this wagon.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:54 pm

More on grain:
http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ns/r95.jpg
http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ns/r44.jpg
http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/047.jpg

Wow, actually, if you keep looking through all the pics of the jacket, it really starts to make you think the leather might not be so off. Someone described it as spongey? Well, looks about right:

Considering all the motion blur we see, it's understandable for grain to be lost on screen.

As for the other details, I see the whole lining up of the arm seam, and the pocket placement. But the hide, especially if it tones down over time, just might be about right...

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:10 pm

That leather looks like the type I have on another Indy jacket.

G-MANN

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:18 pm

Ah, the fan-club jacket G-Mann. I was interested in one of those on Ebay a few months back, but decided against it. Cowhide, right? No one here seemed to know much about it, either. It does have a similar grain; maybe a bit less 'grainy' than the TN....
I'm starting to think a grainy jacket might be the way to go...looks pretty rugged compared to some 'sofa smooth- jackets.

G-MANN · Post by **G-MANN** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:37 pm

Yep, it's a fan club jacket but I don't know what type of hide it is made of. It feels like Lamb but I could be wrong.

G-MANN

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:03 pm

Uh oh, the more I think about it, the more I want one! That is just too bad that TN no longer has the original jacket. Believe me, if I knew he would throw an original Raiders jacket on my lap when I was placing my CS jacket order, I would have brought my camera..

whipcracker · Post by **whipcracker** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:13 pm

Are the black sliders one tri-glide or two rectangular loops like everybody puts one their Westeds?

Can you take a picture?

I think it would be informative if you could measure the thickness of the hide on your jacket. May with some calipers or better yet, if you have a real good leather guy he might know the oz. thickness by feel.

It's a beautiful jacket, that will definitly turn a head or two or three hundred. Wear it with pride! And if it is made of dinosaur then aleast you know that it will last several thousands of years, no?

CM · Post by CM » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:03 pm

I notice that the TN Raiders doesn't have pipeing on the cargo pockets.

Nor does the LC jacket by the way....

Indiana Williams · Post by **Indiana Williams** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:49 pm

ReturningSon wrote:Uh oh, the more I think about it, the more I want one! That is just too bad that TN no longer has the original jacket. Believe me, if I knew he would throw an original Raiders jacket on my lap when I was placing my CS jacket order, I would have brought my camera..

I hear ya there. I guess when I was there he either held out on me or he didint have the jacket yet. knowing what kind of guy Tony is I think Ill believe the latter

Man, I need to go visit Big Tony again so I can see for myself if this jacket really is worth a grand. Ill probably set it up for middle of next week. I really like the look of the leather. it has that vintage rugged look to it. I cant wait to see more pics of these jackets
Best Regards,
Joe

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:43 am

Yeah, I was talking to Tony and he said "wait, check this out". He scuttled in the back of his shop and returned. He threw the jacket on my lap and said "what do you think?" At first, I didn't know what it was. It certainly was a raiders jacket but had that worn like and did feel like it was over 20 years old. He said it was an original jacket and was worth only about 80,000 bucks. My dad, whom I brought along and is another avid Indy fan, said four words and a smile:

"we'll take that one"...

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:30 am

Well, I've just gotten off the line with Tony, and... Count me in as well! I should have my own review within a week or less! $\:D/$ His enthusiasm for the project is really overwhelming, and just rubs off on ya! Tony even mentioned that when he made the first copy, he couldn't take it off his back for the day!

Hopefully I get to jump in front of Indiana G in line?

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:38 am

Indiana Holt wrote:wow.that hide looks kinda alligatorish

I had the same reaction. But maybe Indy had it made from the skin of those alligators at the end of ToD?

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:56 am

Castor Dioscuri wrote:Well, I've just gotten off the line with Tony, and... Count me in as well! I should have my own review within a week or less! $\:D/$ His enthusiasm for the project is really overwhelming, and just rubs off on ya! Tony even mentioned that when he made the first copy, he couldn't take it off his back for the day!

Hopefully I get to jump in front of Indiana G in line?

ha ha ha ha.....son of a .......

i thought he was going to call me. maybe i sounded too stand-offish......guess i'll fire him a note to feel free to violate my amex card

looks like i'll race ya castor.....but in this race, there's no silver medal for second place........just the pain of waiting for your jacket while the other guy gloats about his......(i have a feeling i'm gonna be waiting).......

CM · Post by CM » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:01 am

I like this TN jacket - looks a lot like an early Wested in many ways. We were rough on Peter.

But ultimately, nice as the TN is, I think the G&B looks more like the one we see on screen. Is Nowak's worth $1000? People would probably buy it at $1500 or $2000, so I don't think the question is relevant.

CM · Post by CM » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:24 am

_ wrote: If you want an exact copy, I'm certain he will make you one... Digest that thought... You would get a replica of a really badly made jacket.

Most people want one that is made correctly - take the correctly executed details to get the right look on their own body, but put the stupid pockets in the right place.

"SA" is a pseudo-science concept made up by people who spend all their time looking at screen shots. While the original is valuable because of what it is, it is a piece of garbage.

This is harsh but I agree with much of it. The Raiders jacket I want is one that is extremely well made to last and be used. I want the one from the movie but with improvements. But not all changes are improvements. Pocket piping and size and shape of flaps, etc, are key part of the look. Iguess it's a question of how much you care about smaller details. In the end you could just as well settle on any of the big name makers...

TONY NOWAK IS REPLICATING AN ORIGINAL RAIDERS JACKET!!

Tony Nowak replicating raiders jacket