TONY NOWAK IS REPLICATING AN ORIGINAL RAIDERS JACKET!!

[slydini]

Much appreciated! And I was just busting your chops about it. Not serious at all. The cost will probably prevent me from ever getting one of these but I'm still just as interested in hearing, seeing and learning about them.

All in good fun. I really didn't take it seriously at all. I will be happy to provide as much info as time and equipment allow.

[Michaelson]

I will be happy to provide as much info as time and equipment allow.

Man, THAT'S one statement I TOTALLY understand! ;-)

Oh, and don't give up your trench coat and dark glasses just yet! Even Lao Che had to practice before he was a successful character!

HIGH regard! Michaelson

[slydini]

I know there is a limit of images per thread, I don't want to go over that. Should I start another thread or is this one of those occurrences when the limit will be waived?

[Michaelson]

No, just show the 6 photo limit, then post links to the extra so folks can access them that way.

In your case, just posting links would work best, since you've already shared 6....but in this special case, another '6' won't hurt in my opinion....then extra links if you have them.

Regards! Michaelson

[Holt]

there is a limit of 6 photos per thread.but....

I dont think anyone would mind a couple more pictures of that beautifull jacket.

[slydini]

Ah, so you can post as many links as you like? Boy do I feel silly
I'll try to get more pics asap.

[Holt]

sorry I wrote it wrong I ment ''thread''.see above.

[Michaelson]

We have a quorum. One hall 'adm' and moderator have voted that you get to post more than 6.

Yeah, 6 is usually the limit with all the links you want, as we've had situations where folks have posted DOZENS of photos in a thread, and it actually locked up the site!

Hense, the 6 photo limit, unless it's a special situation and the administration has been contacted. This is a special situation. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

[Kt Templar]

Ah, so you can post as many links as you like? Boy do I feel silly
I'll try to get more pics asap.

Please try and do some bigger shots with more light, outside if possible. The limit is 640 x 480 but can be much bigger if you post links.

[Michaelson]

Bigger on links, as KT says. That's another reason why we prefer links.

Regards! Michaelson

[slydini]

We have a quorum. One hall 'adm' and moderator have voted that you get to post more than 6.

Regards! Michaelson

Yikes! That means I have to go get more "quality" pics! ;-)

[Holt]

it really looks like that.

[Michaelson]

Yep!

Time for me to get ready for work.

Eric, I leave the 'room' to you! ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

[slydini]

At the risk of showing just how un-computer savy I am, in my picture post, were those not links?

[Holt]

Yep!

Time for me to get ready for work.

Eric, I leave the 'room' to you! ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

have a good one Mark

[Indiana Strones]

MY THOUGHTS exactly;)

x3...

[Holt]

the 3 stooges

[Chris_King]

Hmmmm. These tiny pics are certainly not helping to win me over on this.
Martin Grace received a jacket from Leather Concessionaries “Order #3” which according to the write-up on the main page, was an EXACT copy of the prototype jacket which ended up being Ford’s “Hero” jacket. This Nowak replica has the incorrect placement of the sleeve seam relative to the yoke seam and as such, implies that the Martin Grace jacket being used is not the one from “Order #3” otherwise I’m sure Tony would have created the junction between the seams correctly.

I would love to see a photo of the Martin Grace jacket next to one of Tony’s replicas. That would help to win over those of us who have some doubts about this. I don’t need to see labels or intricate details that would potentially de-value the original, I just want to see how close he got with his replica and how close is the leather color and appearance to the original.

Chris

[PLATON]

The pictures aren't great but as a screen grab nazi that I am, must say that I think the shoulders are too wide (shoulder to shoulder measurement) and also I don't think the pocket flaps are SA.

Also, this can't be the hero jacket as the pockets aren't spaced correctly as per below



See for yourself



I see also that the collar is completely different. More like a G&B.
Other than that, nice stuntman jacket.

[ReturningSon]

pics, pics and more pics!!

[Kaplan]

Here's the details I personally would like to see in pics:

- collar and storm flap junction.
- bottom of zipper on non-pull side
- yolk seam and arm seam
- patch pocket
- strap configuration & depth of action pleat
- a few pics with a human wearing the jacket.

[Indiana G]

the golden question is:

can a stuntman's jacket be modified to emulate the hero jacket? i'm sure TN is more than capable of fielding the requests......but do we really want to send a shopping list to him as we do to peter? isn't driving one man crazy enough for us stitch nazis?

if we do get a jacket with all of the mods put in to make it more 'hero-ish' we will be tainting the original design that the jacket came from, a true martin grace stunt jacket. i wish uncle george would just give mr. nowak the hero jacket for a day.......just one day!!!!

the selling point for me was that if i took this plunge, there would be no need for further raiders jackets. i fear that if i do go ahead with this purchase...then somewhere down the line, someone will come with that perfect hero jacket.........i still think todd's custom is the closest yet as far as the specs go.

so much to think about.......need some meds before i decide

[Michaelson]

i still think todd's custom is the closest yet as far as the specs go.

True enough, but bear in mind that his specs came from a stunt mans jacket too. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

[binkmeisterRick]

i still think todd's custom is the closest yet as far as the specs go.

True enough, but bear in mind that his specs came from a stunt mans jacket too. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

DOH! And considering we now know that one stunt jacket also had use as a hero jacket, what's the difference anymore?

[agent5]

can a stuntman's jacket be modified to emulate the hero jacket?

Yeah, it's no golden question. G&B did it years ago.

[Michaelson]

You caught my drift, bink. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

[binkmeisterRick]

You caught my drift, bink. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

I guess it's time to see the doctor, then.

[Michaelson]

Antibiotics are our friend.

Regards! Michaelson

[Dutch_jones]

i still think todd's custom is the closest yet as far as the specs go.

True enough, but bear in mind that his specs came from a stunt mans jacket too. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

BUT TOdd did not have a jacket there ! He also used what h saw on screen TN copied two jackets.

[Michaelson]

True enough, but Todd also worked off of the Vic Armstrong jacket specs supplied to him by _.

Regards !Michaelson

[Mike]

TOdd did not have a jacket there ! He also used what h saw on screen TN copied two jackets.

Not so. As I stated in my earlier post, Tony said he only used the MG jacket as the Leather Concessionaires had inconsistencies to it.

[Rundquist]

The only real question is going to be if you have the means to pony up the dough to buy one of these. It’s hard to judge the jacket based on the pics. The lambskin leather (from the pics) looks like the same stuff that US Wings uses. That’s not a bad thing. I’m sure it’s a great jacket just based on the fact that Tony built it. However, from my point of view it is not the Holy Grail of Raiders jackets, nor do I think there ever will be.

From my point of view this jacket has many similarities to the G&B Expedition. Both were made from stunt jackets & both are well made. The differences are that with the Tony jacket you get perhaps more custom sizing and a different hide choice from G&B. The Tony also costs twice the price of the G&B.

The interesting thing about a “screen accurate” jacket is that it doesn’t suit everyone. Many would argue that TODD’s jacket is the most screen accurate choice out there. He took Paterson’s notes (the same one’s used for the Expedition), and then he used his own eye to modify the jacket to be more in line with the hero jacket. The problem is that the jacket doesn’t fit everyone. It’s really made for a Harrison Ford slim build. I’ve never seen a jacket that produced so many sizing threads. But Todd gave you what you asked for. To be honest, the only reason I never bothered with a TODD’s is that they are lower on the scale of well-made jackets than what I like. But that’s screen accurate too. The og Raiders jackets by all accounts were not well crafted garments either.

Considering that I’m a Raiders man, I might have to visit Tony’s shop and check one of these out. He’s only ten minutes away.

[Rundquist]

i still think todd's custom is the closest yet as far as the specs go.

True enough, but bear in mind that his specs came from a stunt mans jacket too. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

BUT TOdd did not have a jacket there ! He also used what h saw on screen TN copied two jackets.

G&B did not have a jacket to work from (beyond one of Lee Keppler's). Todd and Magnoli had Expeditions to work from (not to take anything away from him).

[Michaelson]

Considering that I’m a Raiders man, I might have to visit Tony’s shop and check one of these out. He’s only ten minutes away.

Be sure to call him first. He's not fond of 'drop ins'. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

[Rundquist]

Considering that I’m a Raiders man, I might have to visit Tony’s shop and check one of these out. He’s only ten minutes away.

Be sure to call him first. He's not fond of 'drop ins'. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

I would never do that. Nor would I barrage him with endless measurement questions. My visit would not exceed ten minutes. ;-)

[Michaelson]

I know that, old friend. That was more of a 'general' remark for those who may think it's on the Redline 'Hollywood tour' now. ;-)

Regards! Michaelson

[Indiana G]

can a stuntman's jacket be modified to emulate the hero jacket?

Yeah, it's no golden question. G&B did it years ago.

they either did not do enough or stopped doing it long ago. imo, the TN raiders is an expo with better leather (screen wise) and closer pedigree as i don't know "how far from the light" G&B strayed to get their jacket real world ready.

ok....so perhaps the holy grail of jackets (based on what we have seen today) will take:

- TN's leather and distressing
- todd's design specifications
- G & B's construction specifications
- and wrap it up with peter's prices

...........a search for this jacket is a search for the devine in us all...........

[indyrocks]

ok....so perhaps the holy grail of jackets (based on what we have seen today) will take:

- TN's leather and distressing
- todd's design specifications
- G & B's construction specifications
- and wrap it up with peter's prices

...........a search for this jacket is a search for the devine in us all...........

Ha.

The quest for this jacket is not archaeology...err I mean, screen-grabology, it's a race against evil. The armies of inaccuracy will march all over the face of these boards.....Ok that was bad. Apologies in advance.

[jacksdad]

It looks good to me, how long will this jacket be availabel,I will need to put money away for a whole year to buy one of these.Based on everyones recommendation for the Crystal skull jacket, it would be a good investment.

[ReturningSon]

Uh oh, now I am really considering this and I haven't seen decent pics yet. Gulp,

But, I keep saying it, we need more pics!!!

[junior]

Not what I expected. To be fair, the pics of this new jacket are not the best for one to be able to see how raiders-like this offering actually is. From what I see, it looks like a well made leather jacket, but...

Remember when that first Todd's custom was posted on COW? Of course you do. Now that was a Raiders jacket. Again, until we get some better pics of this new TN jacket, I'm going to have to say that this is not what I expected.

But you know what? If the buyer likes it, nothing else matters.

[ReturningSon]

I think we need more detailed pics before we can make any judgement! Hurry up, the rest of us are dying over hear!!

[PLATON]

Todd's is a winner.
And you forget that Todd has a custom jacket option for only half the price of TN where you can get all the features YOU want.

And you know what I think (or what reason dictartes) about the hero jacket?

Three possibilities about its whereabouts

1. Harrison Ford has it.
2. George Lucas has it as long with every other stunt jacket left, but he has them all mixed so that he can no longer tell which one is the hero jacket (forget the names what the tags, they re all wrong)
3. It was auctioned or sold.

Out of the three, I choose no 1 because if I was in HF shoes I would have taken it no matter what.

Of course, I may be wrong, this is all guessing. You gotta listen to the mods for more accurate info.


One more thing I would like to add, when you see the hero jacket you will recognize it from the strap buckles.

[Dutch_jones]

The hero jacket from Raiders is in private hands, I know for a fact that a french collector in the USA has it, He also has the screenused Batman costume from the 89 movie.

[Indiana Williams]

The hero jacket from Raiders is in private hands, I know for a fact that a french collector in the USA has it

That belongs in a museum! Had to do it

[Indiana Strones]

The hero jacket from Raiders is in private hands, I know for a fact that a french collector in the USA has it, He also has the screenused Batman costume from the 89 movie.

There is no mention of this fact in the _ article on Indy Gear...

[Dutch_jones]

The hero jacket from Raiders is in private hands, I know for a fact that a french collector in the USA has it, He also has the screenused Batman costume from the 89 movie.

There is no mention of this fact in the _ article on Indy Gear...

So?
Maybe _ did not know this? Its not a well known fact as the collector remains anonymous.
_ is not the only one with friends/sources in high places;)

[indyrocks]

The hero jacket from Raiders is in private hands, I know for a fact that a french collector in the USA has it, He also has the screenused Batman costume from the 89 movie.

There is no mention of this fact in the _ article on Indy Gear...

So?
Maybe _ did not know this? Its not a well known fact as the collector remains anonymous.
_ is not the only one with friends/sources in high places;)

Is it a well known fact? What/who exactly would your source or "friend in a high place" be to confirm this information?

[Dutch_jones]

The hero jacket from Raiders is in private hands, I know for a fact that a french collector in the USA has it, He also has the screenused Batman costume from the 89 movie.

There is no mention of this fact in the _ article on Indy Gear...

So?
Maybe _ did not know this? Its not a well known fact as the collector remains anonymous.
_ is not the only one with friends/sources in high places;)

Is it a well known fact? What/who exactly would your source or "friend in a high place" be to confirm this information?

No it is not a well known fact, by friends in high places I mean people in the industry, and journalists, But mostly people in the industry.

[Indiana Strones]

What I meant is that in the article I read:

The hero jacket resides in George Lucas’ office at Skywalker Ranch

So, there are two hero jackets, or someone is wrong here. Just curious to know where's the truth.