Catwoman's Trick!

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 4:13 am

Sorry, gotta ask...
Att. all people who've seen 'Batman Returns.'
Y'know the part when Catwoman is causing havoc in Shreck's depatment store, and fends off those two security guards? Right after they run away, she kinda whips herself, wrapping the whip around her torso and WEARS it! Now that's cool!

So my questions obviously are:
A). Do any of you guys know what part I'm talking about?
B). Can any of you actually DO it?

That'd be the coolest thing to learn without a doubt!

Regards,

Rod

Mystique · Post by **Mystique** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 4:44 am

practice, practice, practice...

Rabittooth · Post by **Rabittooth** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 10:40 am

conceited_ape wrote:Sorry, gotta ask...
Att. all people who've seen 'Batman Returns.'
Y'know the part when Catwoman is causing havoc in Shreck's depatment store, she kinda whips herself, wrapping the whip around her torso and WEARS it! Now that's cool!
any of you actually DO it?
That'd be the coolest thing to learn without a doubt!
Regards,
Rod

It'd be cool if yer a hot chick in a black catsuit...

...otherwise....

-Rabittooth

RedburnIV · Post by **RedburnIV** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 1:04 pm

I saw that, and just like you I thought that was amazing, unfortunatly I cant do it, but I'm gonna work on it.

Regards, Dan

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 2:21 pm

Yeah. I saw that movie the day it came out in theaters. When I took up whipcracking in 1993, I studied The Making of Raiders and The Making of Batman Returns extensively. Watch Catwoman's whip wrap in slow-motion (which is easier if you have the DVD). It's really not that difficult, but it works better with shorter bullwhips (6 and 8 feet, respectively). You'll get the hang of it.

-Dale

TheOther Jones · Post by **TheOther Jones** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:22 am

What you need to do is actually pull the whip toward you immediately after you throw a horizontal crack. The whip will snap and then come back to wrap around you.

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 2:07 am

Thanks for the tips guys n' dolls!
If I get the hang of this it'll be a kick-### party trick!

Doctor_Jones · Post by **Doctor_Jones** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 7:05 am

Doesn't that hurt? If you get unlucky it will slap you in the face and you'll have an Indy scar yourself... Maybe some of you think that is lucky instead of unlucky.

Regards

the Doc

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 2:20 am

Hey GUYS! TOJ was right! I DID IT!!
I know how to do it now!

It's actually very easy!
Thanks everyone!

TheOther Jones · Post by **TheOther Jones** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 2:20 am

Any whip throw can hurt if you do it the wrong way

As for the whip wrapping your body in this trick, no, it doesn't hurt. Trust me, I've done it many times.

TheOther Jones · Post by **TheOther Jones** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 2:21 am

Glad I could be of help, Ape!

golpeo_rapidamente · Post by **golpeo_rapidamente** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 5:13 pm

Hey Ape try to do it with your new whip yet??

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Thu Oct 24, 2002 8:35 pm

Yep, but to no avail. :(
It's still way too stiff and it's done nothing but rain all week since I've had it! But I've taken all the opportunities I can get (however few there have been). :roll:

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:08 am

Can someone post a video of this trick? I've been working on it, and so far it's not quite as graceful, or for that matter successful.

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:56 am

ROFL!

Ah, this old thread! Can't believe it's been six years!

Needless to say this trick is *ahem* much easier now.

;-)

Shagbd · Post by **Shagbd** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:26 pm

SO weird that this thread just gor resurrected!

I was actually just working on this the other day.
ive been working on different body wraps/tucks and "finishing" techniques...
I have always had this in my mind that this trick was alot more difficult that it actually was, but its pretty simple really.

I beleive i was told that Anthony Delongis learned this trick from Brian Chic, and taught it to Michelle.
Im sorry, but halle berry doesnt have a thing on michelle pfeiffer, she will always be the best

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:43 pm

So post a vid!

WhipDude · Post by **WhipDude** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:56 pm

Halle had good training from Alex Green who isn't bad himself. We just never got to see any of it.
Yes, Brian Chic created the wrap around the body when he was about the age of 14. Brian in my opinion was the guy who was biggest on wraps and if you see a video him, he does wraps A LOT.

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:03 pm

That's where Anthony got it from, know that much. I'm very sorry I'll never get to meet Brian.

Shagbd · Post by **Shagbd** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:50 pm

hollywood1340 wrote:So post a vid!

hmmmm

Ill work on it

FloatinJoe · Post by **FloatinJoe** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:24 pm

When I was out with Anthony in the spring, we discussed this wrap and the wrap that Hopkins uses in Zorro. They are two very different wraps with slightly different purposes.

Zorro (taught by Alex Green): Used as a temporary storage to do minor things with hands before recovering whip to use again. Ideal way to end a performance, very neatly.

Catwoman (taught by Anthony DeLongis): Used as a more permanent storage method to allow the individual to fight and do acrobatics without having to worry about losing the whip or becoming entangled in it.

I really like the Catwoman wrap, but I do have a more difficult time executing it.

Mike

Canasta · Post by **Canasta** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:39 pm

I took video of both wraps this afternoon with a little breakdown of each one.
I'll post them tonight.

Chris

Shagbd · Post by **Shagbd** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:47 pm

Canasta wrote:I took video of both wraps this afternoon with a little breakdown of each one.
I'll post them tonight.

Chris

sweeeeeeeeeett!!!!!!!

Thank you Chris!

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:04 pm

Looking forward to the video, Chris! Thanks!

Shane

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:44 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbUvzoHs ... re=related

Look around 2:50, no wrap, but some cool stuff anyway!

WhipDude · Post by **WhipDude** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:54 pm

Nice find hollywood. She was rather slick. I wonder if there's more out there to see.

Shagbd · Post by **Shagbd** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:03 pm

around 6:15 or so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGGpPLFd ... re=related

Canasta · Post by **Canasta** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:21 am

I got the video up and ready.
There is a bit of "blah, blah, blah," in the beginning.

Let me know if it helps.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nMBctwg2do

Shagbd · Post by **Shagbd** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:40 am

oh, i really like that second wrap!
Gonna have to get out tommorrow and try that one!

the 2nd one seems like it would work alot better with a longer whip... well longer... i mean 8ft +

I learned the trick from Dan trout to order 6 ft whips with long falls so wraps are still possible....

Thanks for making this vid Chris!

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:15 am

Hey Chris,

That was fantastic! Thanks a lot! Picked it right up!

I also like the 2nd one, and it works fine with my 8 footer. By the way, your whip is just beautiful, and I love your style. You look very efficient. Seeing you do the self-wraps is also good for me. I can do those, but it's nice to see it with some nice form, so I can polish it up a little. Very nice!

Thanks again - that was a very cool little trick to learn!

Shane

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:50 am

Chris,

AWESOME tutorial, brother.

I've been doing what I THOUGHT was that second wrap as a finish for my stuff for about 2 years now. I'd gone out and picked up "Batman Returns" SPECIFICALLY to figure that crack out.

I didn't realize, but watching that stuff over again, and watching Chris, I've been doing it a little differently.

The whip I do this MOST with is a 6.5' Terry Jacka whip with a 36" fall, and although it has broken in, it's still a VERY stiff in the transition.

The way I've been doing it is to essentially do the SECOND version of what Chris is doing in his video, but rather than take it over the back of my neck and let it hang over the opposite shoulder, I simply lay it over the SAME shoulder as the hand I'm cracking with, (I'm left handed, but right-eye dominant, which REALLY messes up all sorts of things for me, but I can use a whip about equally well in either hand.)

And THANKS MUCH Chris for breaking those down. I've had problems doing that self-wrap with anything above a 6 foot whip, (the way I do it, theres more thong left over, so the handle hangs down to past my waist.) It works, but not as well. I'll have to give that a shot with my longer whips! Now, I'll have 3 variations on that wrap!

I know, what I'm describing sounds like the FIRST version of the self-wrap that Chris does, but it's not. I don't know how else to describe it, but it seems that I've ACTUALLY got a signature move now! I'll call it "The Fish Wrap" or something....

Hmmm...Maybe not...

Sounds pretty lame...

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to share it with you guys! Freelance gig this weekend that's buying a new computer to replace my current fossil. Will have video editing at HOME again! It'll be a little bit, but I'll get this up on YouTube.

All the best, and happy cracking!

-D

Shagbd · Post by **Shagbd** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:00 pm

Canasta wrote:I got the video up and ready.
There is a bit of "blah, blah, blah," in the beginning.

Let me know if it helps.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nMBctwg2do

GOT IT!!!! first try too (the 2nd variation that is..)...... subsequent tries were hit or miss, but i find that i can get it everytime with a 6 footer...

I figured out the actual catwoman one a while back, and was actually sorta dissapointed at HOW simple it is.... so this 2nd variation looks alot cooler expecially when ya tack it on the end of a fast combo

ill try to post a vid sometime too

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:33 pm

I've been doing that for years. I learned it by watching the Making of Batman Returns from an old VHS recording back in the day. I do the Catwoman wrap at the end of this whipcracking video: http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseacti ... d=40989562

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:34 pm

Canasta wrote:I got the video up and ready.
There is a bit of "blah, blah, blah," in the beginning.

Let me know if it helps.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nMBctwg2do

That video was very helpful. I nailed it after only a couple of tries. Thanks.

Dave

LemonLauren · Post by **LemonLauren** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:57 pm

Great video Chris

Thanks for posting!

Lauren Wickline
www.midwestwhips.com

Shagbd · Post by **Shagbd** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:11 pm

i swung by after lunch today and made a few quick videos...
but i realized that i havent really made any freestyle videos.
I like to just freestyle sometime and see how long i can keep the flow going.
so heres a few quick vids finishing with Chris' Version 2 wrap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=211Fqew1nT0

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekOjmUiI4D8

WhipDude · Post by **WhipDude** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:55 pm

Look good there Shagbd. How long have you been at cracking out of curiosity?

Shagbd · Post by **Shagbd** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:26 pm

WhipDude wrote:Look good there Shagbd. How long have you been at cracking out of curiosity?

Oct 21st or thereabouts will mark my FIVE MONTH mark from when i started cracking...

This was my first whip and sorta serves as my reminder of when i started... basically the day before Indy 4 came out..
viewtopic.php?t=29660&highlight=cowhide+kotcs

However, I didnt get my first ROO whip until July 23rd...
viewtopic.php?t=32646&highlight=joe+strain+kotcs
thats only been.....a lil over 2 months..

Canasta · Post by **Canasta** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:34 pm

Shagbd.
That looks really great. Well done.
I love the practice space. Great with the mirrors.
You talk about the 6 foot whips with long falls.
I have a matched pair of Lonestars from Joe, one with a shortened fall for targeting and one with and extra long fall for wrapping my assistant when and 8 foot whip is to long for the working space.

I'm glad the video helped.
Having a new video camera is really liberating.

Thanks all.

Chris

Shagbd · Post by **Shagbd** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:26 am

Canasta wrote:Shagbd.
That looks really great. Well done.
I love the practice space. Great with the mirrors.
You talk about the 6 foot whips with long falls.
I have a matched pair of Lonestars from Joe, one with a shortened fall for targeting and one with and extra long fall for wrapping my assistant when and 8 foot whip is to long for the working space.

I'm glad the video helped.
Having a new video camera is really liberating.

Thanks all.

Chris

well Maybe we can start seeing more clips like you did with the wraps! that really helped to SEE it done like that..... im a visual learner... show me once or twice and im good to go!
Thanks again on the compliments!

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