Special Offer Washed goat raiders??

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:18 am

whiskyman wrote: But - it is very dark. So far, everyone I've asked has said it was a black jacket, or dark grey.

Where's the banging head against wall emoticon?

If people want brown jackets then you should get brown jackets. If anyone can show me in which of the original three movies Indy was wearing anything but a dark, dark brown jacket I'll eat someones' expensive hat.

Anyone telling you the jacket is black or drak grey either needs to have it put next to an actual black jacket. If they still say it's black they need to get to the eye doctor.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:30 am

I don't mind the colour - in fact I like it. When worn witha black T-shirt it looks dark brown. When worn with just about anything else, it looks dark grey/black. And that's fine with me as I always felt the Raiders jacket was very dark looking. But folks should at least know that this is a dark leather - the darkest brown that Wested has offered (to my knowledge at least).

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:37 am

Well, I had an interesting experience yesterday. It's finally gotten cool enough in the mornings here for me to wear a light jacket so I wore my LC washed goat to school yesterday.

When I walked in, the kids (in good fun) started calling me the Fonz and asked me to go "Aaaayy". So I told them that it wasn't a Fonz jacket, it was an Indy jacket. A couple argued with me that it wasn't an Indy jacket because Indy wore brown.

So I told them that Indy wore a dark brown jacket pretty close in color to what I had on. No, no, no, they said.

So I had to get on the internet and pull up some screen shots of LC to show them that their teacher was 100% correct and they were wrong. Did I waste about 15 minutes of class time? Sure, but I was right!

Of course, I think a couple still didn't believe me because, you know, teenagers know everything.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:51 am

It's a matter of perception, and of light.

Anyway I suspect that the original jackets looks darker in the movies than in the real.

As you know this is the same jacket:

And this comparison of a new jacket and an original (although well distressd) speaks well:

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:11 am

I would really really REALLY like to see that bottom picture above but instead of the Raiders jacket, I'd like to see the NEW ToD jacket next to the NH jacket..

And I'm with whiskyman, I LOVE the color of the washed goat. I got to see it firsthand when I met up with Indiana G, and loved how it looked. I like the darkness, and I think in a year or more when people post the distressing that's starting to show through, it may have some lighter lines throughout.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:17 am

No, it's not a matter of light or shadow it's a matter of distressing - the jackets in those photos are clearly dark, dark brown and when distressed the lighter natural color of the hide shows through as the dye is rubbed away.

My washed goat is already starting to show these lighter areas of wear. I really think these are the perfect Indy color and I wish it were available everywhere.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:21 pm

Yes it's a matter of distressing but it's also a matter of light. Look at these 2 pics of Kt templar, the same jacket... two completely different browns.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:26 pm

With enough light I can make a lump of the blackest coal look snow white. I don't understand the point. Even in the light, the Indy movie jackets were not a light brown. Check out the LC beach scenes or the elephant riding in TOD.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:23 pm

Someone with an Authentic brown and a Washed goat needs to photograph them side by side so we can do a little compare/contrast!

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:28 pm

Well I could do a comparison pic of the regular goat and the washed goat if that's of any use.

lpa53 · Post by **lpa53** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:35 pm

I'd like to see that. Post 'em if you got 'em.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:44 pm

Well here's my regular goat on the left and the washed goat on the right. This is indoors with a flash. A natural and a saddle tan whip are for colour reference. Tomorrow i'll take some outdoor shots.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:49 pm

In this pic the regular goat looks similar to the washed lamb...

and the washed goat it's what I call a dark brown.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:01 pm

The washed lamb I had was slightly lighter than the regulat goat - altough it was hard to say for sure as it was a very different hue.
In the pic above, the washed goat looks like a nice dark brown. Outdoors it doesn't have much of a brown hue.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:03 pm

is the regular goat close to "authentic" brown???? Also, is the one on the left a recent goat or one of the older ones?

jnicktem · Post by **jnicktem** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:30 pm

What is the texture of the Washed Goat? What I mean is, does it have a plastic-y feel or a real leathery feel? If that makes sense.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:54 pm

All this talk of shades of brown and 'original' color is confusing.

The Wested site doesn't help clear the confusion much, but gives the impression that Seal Brown was the original Raiders jacket color. Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly

From the Wested site:

The original Indy Jacket is handcrafted from the finest soft, Authentic (seal) Brown English lambskin. However it is also available in Authentic Brown Goatskin, Dark Brown Lambskin, Dark Brown Predistressed Hide heavier soft durable Dark Brown Horse hide and now Novapelle an antique finish cowhide.

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:14 pm

whiskyman wrote: As for the differing measurements given by Gemma - maybe the washed goat Raiders and the washed goat LC have slightly different dimensions? They have both in stock.

Yours is a 40 reg Raiders, though, right? So are the measurements I got from Gemma. Don't know why they'd be different.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:20 pm

coronado3 wrote:Someone with an Authentic brown and a Washed goat needs to photograph them side by side so we can do a little compare/contrast!

Hopefully, I'll have my ROLA jacket here Monday. Am I correct that this is in their authentic lamb? If so (and nobody beats me to the punch), I'll take some comparison pictures.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:11 am

Well, I don't know why the measurments should be different.

My regular goat is one of the newer ones - OTR. I bought it a few months ago and have worn it regularly in all sorts of weather. The only thing I don't like about it is that plasticy feel that is so typical of goat hide.
The washed goat is totally different and doesn't feel at all pasticy.
I've only worn the washed goat for about 10 days and already it drapes much better than my other jacket.
Here are some outdoor comparison pics. The regular goat is OTR 42 and the washed goat is OTR 40. Personally, I think the washed goat is Wested's best offering for a Raiders jacket.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:52 am

Raider S wrote:Even in the light, the Indy movie jackets were not a light brown. .

No one here said that Raiders jackets were light brown.

Dr._J · Post by **Dr._J** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:28 am

Pagey,

Will you please post a pic of the inside of the Washed Goat Raiders? I want to see the inside pocket and (hopefully, no) leather facings! Thanks!

Dr. J

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:30 am

It has the usual leather facings

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:35 am

Dr._J wrote:Pagey,

Will you please post a pic of the inside of the Washed Goat Raiders? I want to see the inside pocket and (hopefully, no) leather facings! Thanks!

Dr. J

My OTR washed goat LC has the facings. I know a lot of people don't care for them but I've not seen any noticeable effect on the drape.

Dr._J · Post by **Dr._J** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:59 pm

And how is the pocket? Piped?

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:27 pm

No it's the full facing on the pocket too. I was going to get Peter to do me a ROLA special in washed goat - and he said he would do it - but I changed my mind.
I wanted to get a ROLA in size 40 because it would have the extra length to match my standard Raiders in 42. I really liked my 42 except that it was roomier than it needed to be - which is why i wanted a 40. Obviously a standard 40 would be a little too short (I'd had a couple in the past), but I'd heard that the ROLAs were made slightly longer.

So why change my mind? Firstly once Peter confimed that the ROLA wouldn't be any longer in length than the standard as the standard washed goat was already a little longer - and then when he said in his opinion the washed goat might be a little too floppy to go without facings. But I could've had a ROLA made up in the shop and for the same price as the standard OTR - but obviously without any custom sizing.

And I'm happy with my decision to go with the standard. As you can see in the pics above, it is the same length as my 42 - and the facings don't spoil the drape.

Dr._J · Post by **Dr._J** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:59 pm

Thanks for the info. And the zipper? Nickel or brass? Thanks.

Regards, Dr. J

Dr._J · Post by **Dr._J** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:24 pm

Seems like I stumped everyone with the zipper question. Based on the leather facings and leather bound inner pocket I'll assume Peter went "all the way" and included a brass zipper. Unfortunately, that's not my bag, baby. Hopefully, the washed goat will soon be available on the ROLA.

Regards, Dr. J

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:26 pm

I believe whiskey said Peter would do a ROLA for him in washed goat at the OTR price....

Dr._J · Post by **Dr._J** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:47 pm

Interesting...