Special Offer Washed goat raiders??

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:26 am

The washed goat looks exactly like I hoped it would! Looking forward to getting mine even more now.

Nice to see the colour of the washed lamb outdoors too. Mine had to be sent back after I accidently tore the sleeve. It really is very thin leather! Lovely colour though.

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:23 am

crismans wrote:I'm really glad that I used the leather cream on it, and I feel that it helped out the leather a lot. Made it feel more tough without losing much of the washed look

Did you put some leather dressing on your washed goat ?
And is it as thin as the washed lamb ??

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:24 am

gwyddion wrote:strones, you cut through the jacket? like there is a hole in it now? with your nails?

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Not through the jacket, but a good cut in a very thin hide is not a good thing.

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:32 am

what's more scaring is that you don't even have long nail at all

CM · Post by CM » Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:51 am

SpeedRcrX wrote:what's more scaring is that you don't even have long nail at all :shock:

Sorry, not wishing to be rude, but were you saying, "What is even more scary is that you don't even have long nails"?

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:45 am

CM wrote: Sorry, not wishing to be rude, but were you saying, "What is even more scary is that you don't even have long nails"?

Did I express myself incorrectly ?

It's just that I'm shock to see that he tears his jacket with just his nails which are not long at all. So it shows the leather is fragile.

Is it more comprehensible ?

Sorry english is not my mother tongue.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:43 pm

Speed your post was perfectly understandable here!

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:49 pm

thanks

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:50 pm

I understood as well.. I reckon if I can discern the meaning of the words, there's no need to nitpick.. we're not English professors correcting students here

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:46 pm

Can someone please post here the dimensions of the Raiders washed goat pockets? Perhaps Holt do you remember the pockets of the jacket you sent back?
Thanks!

Post by **Holt** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:49 pm

that depeds on the size.

they are upscaled and downscaled .

46-8''X7'' I think?

bests
Holt

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:52 pm

Thanks a lot Holt!

8X7 it means the usual "big" pocket to me. Am I correct?

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:30 pm

Just met Indiana G for the first time outside of work, he was wearing his washed goat and I have to say it was a thing of beauty.. It was hard to look him in the eye when talking, I think my eyes kept darting from his AB to his washed goat.. beautiful color! exactly how I picture a Raiders jacket to be.

Now I think instead of just saving up for a ToD jacket, I may have to save double!

come to think of it, I should have asked politely to try it on, and see how a 42 fits.. next time!

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:05 pm

You bet they look nice! Great leather.

I want to second what Crismans observed about using leather cream and probably should've mentioned this sooner.

After I got my jacket rained on the first couple times and wore it as much as I could for several weeks, I applied leather cream (if you're using Pecard's this is the leather lotion in a bottle and not the leather dressing). I think it's needed to make the jacket 100%. It won't affect the character or the color but makes the leather feel healthier -- if that makes sense.

Tried to get a couple photos to show the true color and nature these have. The close-up of the sleeve shows some texture and how quickly the leather will get some wrinkles and character.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:19 pm

That looks great, Raider S. I've not gotten to wear mine except around the house but the weather's getting cooler. Looking forward to breaking mine in.

And I totally get what you mean by healthier but it is hard to explain. The leather is dry when you get it and the cream adds moisture.

jnicktem · Post by **jnicktem** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:10 pm

I put in an order for a Washed Lamb, and although I believe it will be a great jacket and perfect for those slightly colder days, I think I also want something more rugged. I am not sure if rugged is the right word, but I hope all of you will know what I mean.

Once my washed lamb jacket arrives, I might go ahead and order a washed goat. I want to be able to try on my washed lamb first to see how it fits and make any changes to my sizing if it is necessary.

Thanks for the pictures everyone, they have been helpful for me!

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:36 am

crismans wrote:And I totally get what you mean by healthier but it is hard to explain. The leather is dry when you get it and the cream adds moisture.

I wonder if any leather lotion will do - or maybe regular Pecards?
I have a local leather shop that sells a range of care products, I'll have to ask what they recommend for jackets.

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:36 pm

Raider S wrote:
Tried to get a couple photos to show the true color and nature these have. The close-up of the sleeve shows some texture and how quickly the leather will get some wrinkles and character.

This jacket is trully beautiful, I can't wait to get mine. Gemma e-mail me today to tell me my jacket is in production

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:09 pm

Enjoy it Speed! I think you will be very impressed with the look and feel.

JulianK · Post by **JulianK** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:32 pm

I kinda have one on order.a custom raiders washed goat.Gemma just whaits on a confirmation before it is set in production....

Are they doing that now Holt? I asked about a month ago about a custom washed goat and she (Gemma) said not yet.

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:58 pm

JulianK wrote: Are they doing that now Holt? I asked about a month ago about a custom washed goat and she (Gemma) said not yet.

Mine will be a custom Raider.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:52 pm

whiskyman wrote:
crismans wrote:And I totally get what you mean by healthier but it is hard to explain. The leather is dry when you get it and the cream adds moisture.
I wonder if any leather lotion will do - or maybe regular Pecards?
I have a local leather shop that sells a range of care products, I'll have to ask what they recommend for jackets.

I didn't have any Pecard's leather lotion on hand so I used a spray bottle of Lexol that I got from the auto parts store. It's worked well and hasn't hurt the look of the leather at all. So far I've used two bottles on the lamb and one on the goat (and the leather drank them in).

The goat is, well, goat, so it can go a while without the treatment (but I would treat it eventually as it really helps the "feel" of the leather. The washed lamb I'd treat out of the bag. It's a really beautiful hide but doesn't feel at all sturdy (the hide, not the jacket). The leather conditioner really seemed to have "toughened" up the hide. It's hard to describe what I mean but I relate it to those who have gotten their Todd's standard wet and talked about how the leather seems to have more bulk and feel tougher.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:30 am

My washed goat just arrived!!!

First off, the fit is spot on. It's a standard off the peg Raiders size 40 but the length is just as long as my 42 ( I checked this with Peter on the phone before ordering), just not as wide - which is exactly what I was looking for.

Secondly I'l pleasantly surprised to see the yoke placed a good inch or so higher than the arm seam! Very Raiders looking and the first time I've had it on any of my Westeds.

As for the leather - very, very, pleasing indeed. It doesn't at all feel plasticy like my other goat Westeds. It feels like tough lamb if you can imagine such a thing. The texture and general feeling of the hide is simply wonderful.
But - the colour.... I can't get past the feeling that I'm wearing a black jacket.

I'll have to see how I like it when I try it outdoors.

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:32 am

whiskyman wrote:My washed goat just arrived!!!

I can't get past the feeling that I'm wearing a black jacket.

.

I like that part the best..

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:02 am

Here are some pics - very hastily taken. If I get a chance to go out i'll take some better ones

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/p ... CN2276.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/p ... CN2277.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/p ... CN2280.jpg

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:56 am

Looks a lovely dark brown to me! So nice!

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:59 am

I'm not sure people know their colors anymore!

Please, go to the store and take a look at a "black" jacket and compare to your new one. Then take another look at Raiders and tell me if you see a "brown" jacket.

I really don't think you are going to find a much nicer color out there than what you just recieved.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:54 am

I've had a bit more time to get used to this jacket and I've been outside in it. It's not black- in fact I think the colour is fairly similar to the hh. Just compared to my regular goat it does seem very dark.
I think this might really be the best Raiders leather that wested has so far offered- I look forward to wearing it in and having it gain some character.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:25 pm

whiskyman wrote:I've had a bit more time to get used to this jacket and I've been outside in it. It's not black- in fact I think the colour is fairly similar to the hh. Just compared to my regular goat it does seem very dark.
I think this might really be the best Raiders leather that wested has so far offered- I look forward to wearing it in and having it gain some character.

i agree with you there sir

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:38 pm

whiskyman wrote:My washed goat just arrived!!!

First off, the fit is spot on. It's a standard off the peg Raiders size 40 but the length is just as long as my 42 ( I checked this with Peter on the phone before ordering), just not as wide - which is exactly what I was looking for.

Would you mind posting those dimensions, please? I think I'm a 40 also, but the back length on those seem short compared to another jacket I have. I may have to go the custom route.

can you post:

back length (base of collar to bottom of jacket)
shoulder (base of neck to shoulder seam)
sleeve (shoulder seam to cuff - on the outside, longer side of sleeve)
chest (armpit to armpit)

Thanks and congrats on a nice jacket!

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:54 pm

Shoulder is 7"
Sleeve is about 25.75"
Back is 26"
Armpit to armpit is about 22.25"

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:10 pm

Awesome. Thanks for the quick reply. That might actually work for me.

How long did it take you to get it once you placed the order?
And it doesn't have any underarm gussets, right? Do the sleeves ride up much when you extend your arms forward?

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:20 pm

Peter had it in stock so it was sent imediately. I had it as an exchange for my washed lamb which I returned.
It doesn't have gussets but I don't find that the arms ride up too much. Tomorrow I'll take some pics of me wearing the jacket.

jnicktem · Post by **jnicktem** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:13 pm

That looks like an awesome jacket!!! I REALLY want one now!!!

Hopefully my washed lamb will come soon so I can begin ordering a washed goat!

CM · Post by CM » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:21 am

whiskyman wrote:Here are some pics - very hastily taken. If I get a chance to go out i'll take some better ones

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/p ... CN2276.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/p ... CN2277.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/p ... CN2280.jpg

Nice jacket, Whiskyman but have you noticed how high those pockets are placed compared to the movie jacket?

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:39 am

No, I never really look at such things.

I did compare it to my old HH that I sold to Indy Breineder and it is quite a bit darker. When placed with a hat it more closely resembles the hat band than the felt

MACHONE · Post by **MACHONE** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:07 am

Raider S wrote:You bet they look nice! Great leather.

Raider S - that is one great looking jacket. Excellent job on this picture in particular. Based on this pic I think this leather would be great for the Wested TOD. An awesome look though, I would not mind having it on any jacket.
-Ben

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:07 am

whiskyman wrote:No, I never really look at such things.

Good for you! Not everyone cares about the same things and are just looking for an awesome jacket!

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:53 pm

whiskyman wrote:Shoulder is 7"
Sleeve is about 25.75"
Back is 26"
Armpit to armpit is about 22.25"

Interesting that the back is an inch longer than on a standard 40 and the sleeves an inch and a half longer. This is really more like a 40L then, right?

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:31 pm

hmm, I emailed Wested asking for their measurements and now I'm even more confused.
Here's what I got back from Gemma for a 40 reg Special Offer Washed Goat:

Sleeve 25.5 inch's
Chest : 46
Back length : 26
Pocket size 7 inch's across by 8 inch's

I thought Westeds had 2 or 4 inches of movement room on their jackets (80s cut vs. standard) but this is 6 inches over on a 40 reg.

whipitgood · Post by **whipitgood** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:48 pm

The measurement of 46" sounds odd to me, but I don't own a Wested. I wear a 40R and would never purchase a jacket with that chest measurement, because it would look to roomy. I have several leather jackets and the largest one, an A-2 style, measures almost 44" for the chest and that looks a little big.

lpa53 · Post by **lpa53** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:39 pm

What's the difference between the Special Offer Raiders ROLA Soft Goatskin http://www.ekmpowershop4.com/ekmps/shop ... -107-p.asp
and the 'NEW IN' Special Offer Raiders Jacket 'Washed Goat' http://www.ekmpowershop4.com/ekmps/shop ... -115-p.asp?

The first specifically mentions it's slimmer and has more tapered sleeves where the washed goat offering does not.

Both say they're imported. Both say they're Raiders. Pocket flaps look different. how many different people are working on these things? Seems like you never know what you'll get.

Kinda like a sheen myself ...

Post by **Holt** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:56 pm

read the text next to the jacket.that will explain it..

the soft goat is an 80's cut and the washed goat is a standard cut

lpa53 · Post by **lpa53** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:05 pm

That's what I thought it was saying, too. Thanks.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:00 am

The uncertainty regarding Wested's given standard measurments is the reason I had Peter measure an actual jacket for me while still one the phone to me - and to put that actual jacket in a bag with my name on it!!

As for the differing measurements given by Gemma - maybe the washed goat Raiders and the washed goat LC have slightly different dimensions? They have both in stock.

In the meantime, since wearing this jacket for a week or two, I really love the leather. It is simply fantastic and not at all like regular goat hide. In terms of feel, it really could almost pass as a lamb - and yet it feels tougher than Wested's regular lamb.

But - it is very dark. So far, everyone I've asked has said it was a black jacket, or dark grey.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:11 am

whiskyman wrote:
But - it is very dark. So far, everyone I've asked has said it was a black jacket, or dark grey.

Do you mean the washed goat?

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:37 am

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:12 am

So it's much darker than auth. brown?

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:44 am

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:30 am

Very interesting...

Special Offer Washed goat raiders??

Difference in ROLA Soft Goat and Washed Goat

80s Cut