Another Speculation question: Belloq's Revolver

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:16 pm

Ok, amigos, what type of revolver do YOU speculate that Rene had in his flap holster when he confronts Indy after exiting with the golden idol in "Raiders"?

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:19 pm

Before or AFTER he 'steals' Indy's? (grins) Regards. Michaelson

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:40 pm

I always assumed Indy was just willingly handing over his gun to Belloq since he was surrounded by Hovitos. However, in an early edtion of the script I read that Indy was going to just pull it out and shoot Belloq, illustrating his dominance. Makes the scene much more funny now.

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:45 pm

OK, then...here's my $.02 worth: I vote for a Smith & Wesson .38 M&P, with a nickel finish and either pearl or ivory grips...that Rene is quite a "dresser", you know!

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:54 pm

RonC wrote:OK, then...here's my $.02 worth: I vote for a Smith & Wesson .38 M&P, with a nickel finish and either pearl or ivory grips...that Rene is quite a "dresser", you know!

Being the sassy brave frenchman that he is... I vote for umbrella handle.

Barring that... I'm saying it's a german made gun.

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 6:06 pm

Got to vote with Ren this round. He was techinically under 'contract' to the Germans, so I'd think he'd be packing at least something of French or German manufacture. He would have more than likely come through French controlled territory, French Guiana (sp?) comes to mind, and those garrison's would have more than likely supplied him with what he required for his trip into the jungle. Regards. Michaelson

Farnham54 · Post by **Farnham54** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:11 pm

Probobly French, though Michealson. As far as I understand it, the golden idol had nothing to do with those pesky Nazis.

Regards,

Farn

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:34 am

It really does appear to be a flapped revolver holster...and I don't know of any suitable German or French revolvers (Yeah, Miichaelson...I know about the Lebel revolvers...and there were some from the State factories and Arminius in Germany

). Rene does have a certain "panache"...so I still go for a suitable "fancy" revovler!!! (I mean...look at this guy, his clothes and boots are perfect...even in the middle of the Peruvian jungle!)

Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:50 am

The French have a long history of equipping themselves with French-made guns and gear and show disdain for stuff made in other countries. Therefore, I side with those who think ole Rene has a French revolver in his holster.

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:03 am

Maybe...but the most recent, at that time, French revolver was the 1892 Lebel 8MM revovler...a singularly ugly weapon...reminiscent of the Nagant. But, maybe Rene did carry one!

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:35 pm

Well, I never said the gold idol was a Nazi goal. I was saying that they may have still been bankrolling him before he went after the Ark, as most of South America was symphetic to the German Nationalist party at the time. Maybe it was part of his deal with them. All theory, of course. Heck, he could have just flown in from Disneyland for all we know.

Regards. Michaelson

skywlkr · Post by **skywlkr** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 1:05 pm

I thought Disneyland opened in the 50's?

Luke

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 1:17 pm

So? Come on now....it's ALL speculation anyway

Regards. Michaelson

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:29 pm

Well...anyway...if he WAS carrying a Fench revolver, I'm sure he tossed it away after getting Indy's S&W Hand Ejector .45!!!!!

Indiana · Post by **Indiana** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:41 pm

A lugar maybe?

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:56 pm

What kind of gun did he have when he had that duel with Indy in the cemetery in Hollow Earth? I think it was some kind of muzzle-loading percussion firearm that used powder. (Sorry, Michaelson, for my butchery of gun terminology!)

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:20 pm

Actually, you got it pretty close there, my friend. (grins) Regards. Michaelson

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:28 pm

Cool. My girlfriend is currently reading the McCoy Indy novels, or else I'd have looked it up myself. She's already read the MacGregor books, and tells me Dance of the Giants was her favorite; also claims that she didn't 'get' Interior World.

But getting back to the topic of guns, I delighted in pointing out Max McCoy's blunder in Philosopher's Stone, where Sarducci's secretary, Carmina (sp?) 'slaps the cylinder' out of Indy's Webley, mistakenly implying that it is a standard rolling cylinder gun. However, earlier in the story, while hiding in the back of the Fascist seaplane enroute to Italy, Indy correctly 'breaks open' the gun while cleaning it.

I know, I know... I have WAY too much time on my hands.

)

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:55 pm

.....I saw that too! i love all of them books....almost done with
genisis. deluge.
mola

schwammy · Post by **schwammy** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:56 pm

Michaelson wrote:Well, I never said the gold idol was a Nazi goal. I was saying that they may have still been bankrolling him before he went after the Ark, as most of South America was symphetic to the German Nationalist party at the time. Maybe it was part of his deal with them. All theory, of course. Heck, he could have just flown in from Disneyland for all we know. Regards. Michaelson

Uh... wow. As usual, I am in awe at the breadth of your knowledge, Michaelson.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:45 pm

Well, the 'Disneyland' part is just a guess, mind you....

(grins) Regards. Michaelson

Henry Jones Sr. · Post by **Henry Jones Sr.** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 12:53 am

RonC wrote:It really does appear to be a flapped revolver holster...and I don't know of any suitable German or French revolvers (Yeah, Miichaelson...I know about the Lebel revolvers...and there were some from the State factories and Arminius in Germany ). Rene does have a certain "panache"...so I still go for a suitable "fancy" revovler!!! (I mean...look at this guy, his clothes and boots are perfect...even in the middle of the Peruvian jungle!)

"His hair was perfect...."

Warren Zevon, "Werewolves of London"

Regards,

Henry Jones, Sr.

Thefumegator · Post by **Thefumegator** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:57 pm

Well, it looks like I'm the latecomer in this thread, but that holster looks exactly like the German P-38 flap holster. I always just kind of assumed that that was what it was. But as Belloq says, "Who knows?"

Wes

Marcus Petrius · Post by **Marcus Petrius** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 4:37 pm

I know the French (well, at least the army) used revolvers that fit in flap holsters because I happen to own a French flap holster from the 30's. (It was five times as cheap as a webley holster, and for 13 euros, there wasn't a chance I was not getting it.)

Indiana Bond · Post by **Indiana Bond** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:39 am

Here is the MLE 1892 with it's standard issue flap holster and ammo. Need to look at the movie to see if the holster matches as it is somewhat unique.

And another one:

Wow I just realized I reactivated a thread that's almost 10 years old!!

Thanks again!

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:48 am

Yep, looks just like a russian nagant....so who copied who in that design?

Indiana Bond · Post by **Indiana Bond** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:07 pm

RaidersBash wrote:Yep, looks just like a russian nagant....so who copied who in that design?

The Russian Nagant M1895 came out in 1895 while the MLE 1892 came out in 1892. While they look similar the designs are completly different, so I don't think anybody copied from anybody else.

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