Temple jacket proto for US Wings.
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HDRnR, the prototype jacket had the one inch indentions typical of all US Wings jackets but it was altered away by bringing the sleeves closer to the panel. The pleats on these jackets are almost always open, however just like Holt had mentioned only the really deeply made ones flare out like crazy, and only Wested does 'em like that (not all of their jackets tho). Ford's jackets certainly have open action pleats, just watch closely and you see it constantly, the thing is they are shallow pleats and look fine that way. That opened effect can be minimized with elastic but the deep pleats will still look odd. So, yea what Holt said..
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Basically the torso and arms were slimmed down or narrowed a bit. If you look at the pitures of me wearing it, it was a bit too much for my build, but oh well.. but this necessitated the sleeve seems to be raised and that in turn eliminated the gap on the sides of the back panel. The straps were reconfigured and raised too. New skinny silver zipper (euro configuration), new lining.
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Holt and I are working as hard as we can (especially Holt-he's a jacket workhorse! ) but there are so many variables, I don't think there can be a set time schedule. We're trying as hard as we can to nail down the specs and then everything goes off to the Sgt.Tennessee Smith wrote:Holt, the jacket is looking good so far and Agent5 nice website link, I'm amazed at the amount of detail
Is there anyway this could be ready by Christmas? Also, will this be a Cow only jacket?
Again, in his original email, Hack said he would make 100 limited edition jackets for COW members only. If there is a good response to these, however, I imagine they could go into regular production if the demand was there.
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No offense to your model, Holt, but he's a bit of a hunchback.Indiana Holt wrote:look here.
see the red lines.thats were the new shoulder seam should be.
also the red dots are the armholes
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Sorry to stick on this, but you want it to look right, correct? Your sketch doesn't account for the fact that the torso tapers toward the shoulder, and that the cut of clothing reflects that (or else it wouldn't fit correctly.) The repositioning of the seam shouldn't be so parallel. Rather, it should follow the lines of the trapezius, radiating from the shoulder hole at an almost square angle. Here, I pulled this screencap off of theraider.net:
It's not a great image, but you can see the shoulder seam fairly clearly. In the overlay, the red line follows the actual curve of his shoulder (because as pointed out, the jacket is worn pretty far off of his shoulders because he lost weight and they replaced the liner with a thinner fabric.) The green line traces the seam as seen. The blue line is about where the seam appears on Raiders models of the jacket, ie on top of the ridge of the trapezius. As you can see, the movement is not proportional... the end of the seam at the collar has moved farther back, while the end at the sleeve seam has moved less. This is because of the tapered shape of the torso-shoulder construction.
Of course, this is all just my opinion, as I am not a professional pattern cutter, but this is what I see and what I believe according to my design and construction aesthetics.
Interestingly, this seems like the only time that the jacket isn't falling off of his back; the seam sits a bit higher on his shoulders.
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I was wondering this too as I may need a tall being 6'3"Tennessee Smith wrote:This sounds great!!! Thanks Crismans!!!
One more question... Since the TOD is notably longer than the Raiders version, will this fall into the standard Tall length and if it's offered in a Tall how much longer will it be than the reg Tall?
I think the ''longer'' jacket was a bit made up.
when I watch Temple I dont see it exacly so much longer then the raiders jacket.
everybody says that is it longer..but they allways refer to the elephant scene..yeah off course it looks longer when Indy sits on an elephant,any jacket would
see here..
see where the jacket ends a little under his belt..now either it was a shorter jacket or Indy wore his pants on his hips...you decide.
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when I watch Temple I dont see it exacly so much longer then the raiders jacket.
everybody says that is it longer..but they allways refer to the elephant scene..yeah off course it looks longer when Indy sits on an elephant,any jacket would
see here..
see where the jacket ends a little under his belt..now either it was a shorter jacket or Indy wore his pants on his hips...you decide.
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Holt wrote:
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OMG!! I could NOT agree more! It's never looked longer to me either. I think the whole idea of a longer length was Peter's idea when he was asked to make a TofD jacket for someone long ago. Also, I think that Peter's Raider jackets in the early days were a bit too short in the waist (my early ones were for sure) and therefore it was a natural thing to add an inch for a TofD. I could be wrong but that's my guess. Regardless, when assessing the jackets length look at where the sleeve ends in comparison to where the body ends - there not a great bit of difference between the first three movies. Actually I think if anything, the TofD looked slightly shorter than raiders (both in sleeves and waist).I think the ''longer'' jacket was a bit made up.
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We never knew for certain if the jacket was longer - and I certainly never accepted this as fact. That was just Peter's claim when he used to tell us that he made the jacket. He'd say it was the same as the Raiders jacket only 1 inch longer.Indiana Holt wrote:I think the ''longer'' jacket was a bit made up.
when I watch Temple I dont see it exacly so much longer then the raiders jacket.
everybody says that is it longer..but they allways refer to the elephant scene..yeah off course it looks longer when Indy sits on an elephant,any jacket would
see here..
see where the jacket ends a little under his belt..now either it was a shorter jacket or Indy wore his pants on his hips...you decide.
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Well, since _ just did the write up for the TOD jacket does he have specs on the different types used? He said Harrison had lost between 8-12 lbs by the time filming had began so the Cooper jacket was too large for him so they altered the lining to adjust to his "new" size for some of the shots (this could account for the Longer look, albeit just that it's too big for him). From the writing it said numerous jackets were used, are you using an amalgamation of all types or selecting one specific look for this jacket?
The only thing I can tell about the length is that is back of the jacket looks like it totally covers the pocket flaps of the pants in most of the scenes where Indy is standing upright, but when he raises his arms to hug Willie (bottom right), you can see the flap poke out from the bottom...
The Raiders jacket on the other hand looks a little bit shorter to me (you can usually see the bottom edge of the flap just under the jacket)... or, like you guys said... its probably just the back length thats mainly different.
The Raiders jacket on the other hand looks a little bit shorter to me (you can usually see the bottom edge of the flap just under the jacket)... or, like you guys said... its probably just the back length thats mainly different.
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Agreed - and given his level of fitness in ToD it's possible the pants were worn higher than in Raiders. Does that make any sense or was that a stupid thing to say?agent5 wrote:It also matters where Ford wore his pants in both movies. If he wore them even slightly higher in Raiders than TOD, it will change how we preceive everything.
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It could very well be that he wore them much higher in tod. In Lc and in CS he wore his pants pretty high too, thus creating an image of a longer body in the jacket.
But when I saw some of the photos of the ford sized CS jackets by Tony Nowak, they didn't appear to be that long in the body. So I also think its the way he wears his pants.
But when I saw some of the photos of the ford sized CS jackets by Tony Nowak, they didn't appear to be that long in the body. So I also think its the way he wears his pants.
Things are progressing well on the Wings Temple of Doom jacket project. I emailed Sgt. Hack to double check a few things and the price will still be $300 for the jacket. It will be a limited edition of only 100 jackets made.
He says he's been busy gearing up for making the military their jackets, McCain sunglasses, and having the lotteries removing their claims that their jackets were manufactured by Wings but he's excited about making a COW jacket.
He says he's been busy gearing up for making the military their jackets, McCain sunglasses, and having the lotteries removing their claims that their jackets were manufactured by Wings but he's excited about making a COW jacket.
lets just whait until we recieve the proto jacket from US Wings.
we will look over the jacket and do a contol check to make sure it has every detail it needs to have before it is made a limit of 100 jacket.
thats all I can say for now.
but we are getting close and we are about to send of the specs to David Hack
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we will look over the jacket and do a contol check to make sure it has every detail it needs to have before it is made a limit of 100 jacket.
thats all I can say for now.
but we are getting close and we are about to send of the specs to David Hack
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leather choice
As much as I like the idea behind this project, I'm really not interested in a lambskin; but that's just me. If this project takes off, I hope it's eventually offered in goat. But that's just me.
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just an update.
I dont know how many countless of hours we have used on this project but the spec sheet is ready.
the only part left for now is to whait on the buckles.
the spec sheet and the proto jacket will very soon be sendt of to US Wings.
the leather will either be the vintage Lambskin,It looks new out of the box, but ages rapidly and in the proper places of stress and wear.
or the vintage cowhide.which is a vinner in my opinion.it just has the temple jacket leather look.but might be a tad to thick.just a tad..
and a freind of mine has a wings goat and the leather just has a rubbery and plasticley look and feel to it.maby over a the many years to come and with lots of wear and tear it might look the part?..
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I dont know how many countless of hours we have used on this project but the spec sheet is ready.
the only part left for now is to whait on the buckles.
the spec sheet and the proto jacket will very soon be sendt of to US Wings.
the leather will either be the vintage Lambskin,It looks new out of the box, but ages rapidly and in the proper places of stress and wear.
or the vintage cowhide.which is a vinner in my opinion.it just has the temple jacket leather look.but might be a tad to thick.just a tad..
and a freind of mine has a wings goat and the leather just has a rubbery and plasticley look and feel to it.maby over a the many years to come and with lots of wear and tear it might look the part?..
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I don't understand. We all here are looking for SA in every incredibly small detail, and then... someone asks for a completely not SA hide as cowhide or goat. People ready to kill their mothers for the right buckle or pocket, are indifferent to SA hide.
I think this is a complete nonsense. :
I think this is a complete nonsense. :
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Indiana Strones wrote:I don't understand. We all here are looking for SA in every incredibly small detail, and then... someone ask for a completely not SA hide as cowhide or goat. People ready to kill their mothers for the right buckle or pocket, are indifferent to SA hide.
I think this is a complete nonsense. :?:
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Yeah, that's ture. I'm one of them. I want the design, but made from a better, stronger hide. The drape, etc doesn't matter to me because the only way to get the identical look to the film one is to get hide from the same sheep and that ain't gonna happen. I actually think that the ToD look can be had pretty easily in goat. Unlike the thin Raiders jacket, the ToD doesn't flop about much. And I would never distress a jacket so I, like some of us here, don't really care to copy absolutely everything about the jacket.
Just my thoughts - cheers CM