ToD Leather
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ToD Leather
Hi,
what kind of leather will be the best to use for this jacket?
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Holt
what kind of leather will be the best to use for this jacket?
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Holt
I think that Wested washed goat is much more distressed than what throwing the USW goat in the drier would do. I know because I've thrown mine in the dryer for hours and while it does make it softer, it does not seem to do anything to the look of the leather save bringing out a touch more texture.
Whatever process the 'wash' is, it's not a look easy to obtain with a regular hide.
I get the feeling that nice dark lamb would be the best choice for a TOD jacket.
Whatever process the 'wash' is, it's not a look easy to obtain with a regular hide.
I get the feeling that nice dark lamb would be the best choice for a TOD jacket.
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That might be something to keep in mind with this. Since Wings is manufacturing the jacket, more than likely they will want to use a leather they already have available. I'd go to their site and see what leather they offer that would best suit the jacket in your opinion.HDRnR wrote:Wings uses a New Zealand lamb skin...I've never seen it in person but people say its a great hide, heavier than most others.
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Holt, I don't remember ever hearing a definate word that Terry's jacket in that scene was cowhide - are we sure, whats the story?
But regardless, that jacket may or may not have shown up on screen, but the general look of the jacket throughout the film is of a thin material.
You guys keep in mind that the prototype jacket that ya'll are working with IS antiqued (New Zealand) Lambskin. I personally feel that it's a bit stiff not lightweight enough for the TofD, but it's JMHO. Also take it from me, when that leather is new, it's very different from what you have there. For one thing it's far from being a SA color, it's very russett brown and plastic looking until wet and dried. I'm pretty sure it's vegetable tanned though, that's a very good thing. It's funny my take is that this leather would make a great Raiders but not ideal for TofD.
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But regardless, that jacket may or may not have shown up on screen, but the general look of the jacket throughout the film is of a thin material.
You guys keep in mind that the prototype jacket that ya'll are working with IS antiqued (New Zealand) Lambskin. I personally feel that it's a bit stiff not lightweight enough for the TofD, but it's JMHO. Also take it from me, when that leather is new, it's very different from what you have there. For one thing it's far from being a SA color, it's very russett brown and plastic looking until wet and dried. I'm pretty sure it's vegetable tanned though, that's a very good thing. It's funny my take is that this leather would make a great Raiders but not ideal for TofD.
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Sorry Holt, the jacket write up tells us that the stunt jacket used by Leonard under the truck was a Wilson jacket - not a ToD jacket at all.Indiana Holt wrote:ok not to get of track in my own thread but Terry wore a TOD jacket in raiders.and that jacket is to believd worn by Ford in TOD.
I have so many pictures showing the no pleats.smaller pockets and lower yoke.it is shown up on screen.
just needed to say that.
ok back on track again..
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Is _ wrong on this?
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I think he's right. The ToD jacket was based on the Western Costume cloth mock-up. This is what I can understand from the IndyGear article.CM wrote: Sorry Holt, the jacket write up tells us that the stunt jacket used by Leonard under the truck was a Wilson jacket - not a ToD jacket at all.
Is _ wrong on this?
no dont think _ is wrong on that.he KNOWS his stuff.trust me... but i do believe that that jacket was a model for ToD..
so thats why I say a ToD was used in raiders..
but still I have my own speculations that this might be the hero jacket used in TOD...
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so thats why I say a ToD was used in raiders..
but still I have my own speculations that this might be the hero jacket used in TOD...
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I'm going to say goat - although I would accept a strong NZ lamb... I'm just ust not a person who enjoys lamb jackets. I don't want a costume jacket and would never dress up as IJ...
As for links... no. I think Platon was all over this issue also a year or two ago. It's been frequently pointed out that the Wilson jacket appears close to a ToD. Or more accurately, people see the photos/clips of Leonard about to do the truck stunt and go - "Hey that looks like a ToD jacket because it has small pockets." Many of us thought that stunt jackets made by Wested ended up as ToD jackets in the next film. But there was no real difference between hero and stunt jackets made by Wested - only that one Leonard wears under the truck - which turns out to have been a Wilson.
As for links... no. I think Platon was all over this issue also a year or two ago. It's been frequently pointed out that the Wilson jacket appears close to a ToD. Or more accurately, people see the photos/clips of Leonard about to do the truck stunt and go - "Hey that looks like a ToD jacket because it has small pockets." Many of us thought that stunt jackets made by Wested ended up as ToD jackets in the next film. But there was no real difference between hero and stunt jackets made by Wested - only that one Leonard wears under the truck - which turns out to have been a Wilson.
I do can believe _ about what he says..but still I am my own person who can have my own speculations..
I have allways thought that this jacket worn by Terry in raiders is the Hero jacket worn by Ford In Temple. it was made custom for Terry back then...thats why you see it fitted for Terry..but on Ford it looks bigger cause Terry might have been bigger then Ford....I believe thats one of the 2 jackets you see in TOD.....one big jacket and the trim slim fitting one...
I believe they took Terry's jacket and used that as a reference for making a more fitting jakcet for Ford....the end scenes trim fitting jacket with the wrinkly sleeves.
just my speculations
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I have allways thought that this jacket worn by Terry in raiders is the Hero jacket worn by Ford In Temple. it was made custom for Terry back then...thats why you see it fitted for Terry..but on Ford it looks bigger cause Terry might have been bigger then Ford....I believe thats one of the 2 jackets you see in TOD.....one big jacket and the trim slim fitting one...
I believe they took Terry's jacket and used that as a reference for making a more fitting jakcet for Ford....the end scenes trim fitting jacket with the wrinkly sleeves.
just my speculations
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Holt
Speculate away....Indiana Holt wrote:I do can believe _ about what he says..but still I am my own person who can have my own speculations..
I have allways thought that this jacket worn by Terry in raiders is the Hero jacket worn by Ford In Temple. it was made custom for Terry back then...thats why you see it fitted for Terry..but on Ford it looks bigger cause Terry might have been bigger then Ford....I believe thats one of the 2 jackets you see in TOD.....one big jacket and the trim slim fitting one...
I believe they took Terry's jacket and used that as a reference for making a more fitting jakcet for Ford....the end scenes trim fitting jacket with the wrinkly sleeves.
just my speculations :wink:
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Although I understand that Terry's jacket was in Ford's size. They only produced one size and did not customise for stunt guys. Terry being chosen because he was Ford's size.
In the picture of the stunt dude under the truck, I believe he was wearing body armor (I read that somewhere at some point, and it only makes since) under his jacket. That jacket does indeed look very similar like what the hero jacket looks like in TofD (vents, pockets, what not) so that could account for the loosness and length of it on Ford - if that is the jacket that's on screen (just more speculation )
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