wested leather on British TV

PETER · Post by **PETER** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:08 pm

NOW HEAR THIS EXTRACT
ftp://u36606674:costume4u@indyjacket.co ... report.mp3

I think this explains my position

Herr Doktor · Post by **Herr Doktor** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:12 pm

Peter,

You may want to check that link...it's for an FTP site, not a website...unless we are to download it, which also didn't work.

Maybe it's just me working on a Mac that's the problem with that link?

PETER · Post by **PETER** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:20 pm

I just clicked onto it and it played through real player.
I'm no expert though I will ask a friend.

scot2525 · Post by **scot2525** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:27 pm

Played just fine for me as well Peter. I also think that clip pretty much clears up all confusion.

FYI Peter, I recieved my Novapelle Raiders Jacket today and it is really awesome. Just want to say Thanks.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:28 pm

Didn't work for me either, Peter.

Regards! Michaelson

PETER · Post by **PETER** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:41 pm

Well basically I state that I did not get to make the actual film jackets, the prototypes only, the samples one of which was seen in the prep film work together with my shirt and pants.

Have you seen the clip from lucas films about Hat & Jacket where Bernie talks about the wonderful Tony Novack jackets and shows scenes from ROLA and LC films with MY jackets. Is that not something that could be interpratated by non COW knowlegables. Its the same scenario in reverse.

I will now demount from my soap box as dinner is ready

Cheers
Peter

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:49 pm

That's what 'we' were wondering. They cut out the pertinent parts of your interview. I REALLY wish news folks would leave well enough alone.

In Bernie's defense, that interview was shot before any outtakes of CS were available for viewing. If you'll recall, it was one of the shorts that Lucas posted on the official Indy site before the film was released.

Thanks for clearing that up, Peter. Enjoy your meal. It's lunch time here.

Regards! Michaelson

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:52 pm

Yes, Peter, thanks for the clarification. I'd still be interested in seeing the whole thing, if you get a chance to figure out how Michaelson and I can see it, too. I'm eating my lunch now. Want a sandwich, Michaelson?

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:54 pm

Nah, I'm eating something they're calling 'sweet and sour Pork' that I got from our cafeteria. Not sure why, but that's what they call it.

Regards! Michaelson

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:54 pm

The link played just fine for me on my Windows PC.

Peter, I certainly sympathize with you regarding this jacket issue.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:56 pm

If it works on most PCs, then it'd be nice for us Mac users to see it, too!

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:58 pm

Well, its not working on this PC, and I have the latest versions loaded, so I'm not sure why it's not working.

Regards! Michaelson

Herr Doktor · Post by **Herr Doktor** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:00 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:If it works on most PCs, then it'd be nice for us Mac users to see it, too!

Mac users UNITE!!!

Any chance a kind soul can download it or save it, and repost it using a Photobucket (or similar) account?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:01 pm

What are you seeing, if anything, when you click on the link?

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:02 pm

A big 'Q' with a question maker in the middle, so it's trying to read it as a Qucktime film, which is odd. All we USE is Media Player.

Regards! Michaelson

Herr Doktor · Post by **Herr Doktor** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:03 pm

Falcon wrote:What are you seeing, if anything, when you click on the link?

This is what I was getting...

Safari can't open page.

Safari can’t open the page “ftp://u36606674:costume4u@indyjacket.co ... report.mp3” because it could not load any data from this location

I also tried in IE and Netscape. No go.

Just tried copying the link and pasting it in Quicktime directly...got a "not a valid URL" message.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:05 pm

Try right-clicking on the link, and select "Save target as". This will download the mp3 file. After it downloads, right-click on the file itself, select "Open with", and select "Windows Media Player".

Herr Doktor · Post by **Herr Doktor** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:07 pm

Falcon wrote:Try right-clicking on the link, and select "Save target as". This will download the mp3 file. After it downloads, right-click on the file itself, select "Open with", and select "Windows Media Player".

Did that...got a "resource unavailable" message.

Guess I'll try tonight when I get home.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:08 pm

Well, it tried to download, then hickup'd in the attempt. I wonder if our firewall is blocking it?

I'll try it again tonight from home.

Thanks for the help, Falcon!

Regards! Michaelson

Joeb1 · Post by **Joeb1** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:35 pm

i didnt realise that putting up a link to this news clip would stir up so much critisism and anger i just thought you guys may be interested in seeing where wested leather is based as many of you are from around the globe and may not have been there.
Joe

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:43 pm

No anger or criticism, Joe! Just a good opportunity for further discussion, and I thank you for posting it.

As you point out, most of us have only seen stills of the Wested operation. Even those few glimpses are more than many of us have experienced since we got into this hobby, so seeing Peter and co in an actual moving piece was surreal. I've spoken to Peter on several occasions, and more times than I can count by 'written word', but have seen very few items by video.

Thanks again!

HIGH regards! Michaelson

Herr Doktor · Post by **Herr Doktor** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:43 pm

Joeb1 wrote:i didnt realise that putting up a link to this news clip would stir up so much critisism and anger i just thought you guys may be interested in seeing where wested leather is based as many of you are from around the globe and may not have been there.
Joe

I wouldn't sweat it, Joe...nature of the beast 'round here.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:44 pm

I wouldn't sweat it, Joe...nature of the beast 'round here.

Yeah, there's that too.

Regards! Michaelson

Prescott · Post by **Prescott** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:00 pm

Perhaps it might be useful to identify which party "deconstructed" Peter's jacket as that seems to be the root of contention in this matter. I'm not sure whether this is throwing water or gasoline on the flame? I would still like to know however...

-P-

Herr Doktor · Post by **Herr Doktor** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:25 pm

_...I bet you could write a book about all this stuff!

And...I wish you would...I'd pay $24.95 to read it!

Prescott · Post by **Prescott** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:32 pm

Thanks _.
This clears up many misconceptions that have been buzzing around here for longer than they should have. I don't think any one vendor had it out for any other, however it sometimes sounds like they do.
Again, thanks.

-P-

PETER · Post by **PETER** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:38 am

The BBC Tv evening news extended interview is now on line, but does not include the part about losing the CS contract.
Cheers
Peter

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:25 am

_ -- do you think the work Peter/Bernie did together on Peter's prototype (and others I guess) could be seen as a "design iterations"..... ie did Bernie get something from that process in terms of what went into the final jacket from Tony, even if the patterns or prototypes were never passed to him?

e.g. maybe Bernie figured out "I can get x look or fix y issue by doing z to the jacket"

I certainly got the impression that it was all part of the process. I am certainly not suggesting this to give credit where it isn't due, but more understand how Bernie approached it. I know, you'll say "wait for the write up".

Peter, thanks for posting that interview (right click save as worked for me) -- I know (from meeting you several times) that this was how they decided to edit the TV spot, and that you wouldn't portray yourself as the vendor that made the jackets for the film.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:56 pm

PETER wrote:The BBC Tv evening news extended interview is now on line, but does not include the part about losing the CS contract.
Cheers
Peter

Can someone post the link? Thanks!

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:01 pm

Found!!

http://indyjacket.co.uk/newsroom.htm

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:18 pm

That was AWESOME!!! Thanks a million for posting!!!

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:19 pm

.. I can't say I care much for his "vision", I think it lacked imagination personally. Indy looked so cool in his pin striped suit at the end of Raiders on the stairs, but looks so bland and common in his dressy clothes and when he got married, in KotCS. What happened to the style. I read the other day that he dressed Robert Redford and I can see that in the way he dressed Ford for this last movie.

Doug C

Doeindy · Post by **Doeindy** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:32 pm

Hi all.

I do not know if I have the right words; so I will try my best; forgive me if I appear over concerned.

Straight to the point I guess; is there any bad feeling here? The reason I write this is that I love the COW site. This place is a creative fusion of Gearheads from all around the world.

I do not care about anyones business; who owns the rights etc; I just want to buy from the original designers/creators and some great artists who make the effort to do runs of their work.

I also like learning from you guys on how to create my own props etc.

I just had to ask the question. This place is a God send to me, and I am not using that term loosely as I am a believer.

I just felt there was some bad tension and do you know what?

This place is wonderfull and we are very blessed that we have somewhere that specialises in our interests. I almost use this site every day.

I just want to also ask: can we keep this place fun; I was just getting a bit worried thats all.

I know that I may be off key and wrong; I am human thats all, but If I did not speak up about my concern then I know I would be wrong not too.

Please feel free to comment on my worry; you could maybe straighten me out a bit.

I just do not want to see this place go down the pan.

I hope you understand; your friend, and yours in Christ <><.

Paul.

Zombie Jones · Post by **Zombie Jones** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:40 pm

Doug C wrote:.. I can't say I care much for his "vision", I think it lacked imagination personally. Indy looked so cool in his pin striped suit at the end of Raiders on the stairs, but looks so bland and common in his dressy clothes and when he got married, in KotCS. What happened to the style.

You have to consider Kingdom of the Crystal Skull takes place 21 years after Raiders of the Lost Ark. Clothing styles had changed. Within the context of the film, he can pretty much wear whatever he wants when he's "adventuring", but as a university professor, particularly at a university as prestigious as Marshall College, he would be required to dress appropriately. Since he didn't wear a tuxedo for the ceremony, he simply wore one of his nicer everyday suits. From a real-world viewpoint, the costume/wardrobe department for KotCS simply had to follow the fashion styles of 1957 when dressing Ford for the non-adventure scenes in order to make the wardrobe correct for the period.

I agree men's suits looked sharper in the 30's than they did in the 50's (or today, for that matter), but the fashion industry didn't consult me before making those changes.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:47 pm

Wow, I like when Indy's shooting guys and punching people in the face. I don't think so much about how he looks in a tweed jacket.

Post by **Michaelson** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:15 pm

I just do not want to see this place go down the pan.

It will take more than just a difference of opinion between folks for this place to 'down the pan', so you can rest easy.

Regards! Michaelson

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:37 am

Zombie jones, you're probably right but the choices for Ford's non-adventure wear just didn't make me think '50s at all. I'll leave it at that. Back to the issue at hand - Wested on TV!!

Doug C

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:40 pm

Do you think there is a need for the local TV reporter to do a follow-up piece in order to set the record straight? If someone were a casual fan, it would be somewhat easy to sort of 'lump' everything together and think that Wested produced all of them, especially if a casual fan was shown 10 different jackets from several different movies on the same day? However, if a casual fan was told the truth upfront, and he/she editied it out anyway, or made no mention of it, that is a spin of a different story. Maybe the local TV station's editor, etc., should be contacted about this matter?

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:55 pm

I really don't see it as a big issue - a short news piece with a bit of an error. The station would most likely not follow-up to correct that.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:28 pm

...yes, in a way, this thread IS a bit of sweet and sour pork, no pun intended!

It's interesting that some comments have been made in light of this quote:

Michaelson wrote:
I've spent all these years trying to untangle the knotted balls of yarn that formed the history of gear.

Question is...can or will this site draw the line, or allow the media to put its own, sometimes 'creative' spin on issues such as this one in the future? Certain members of this forum have dedicated a considerable amout of time and effort in search of the truth, and making these facts known to others, freely. Seems to me like just calling it a non-issue is like a slap in the face to those who have broken ground in this forum. If this type of reporting is tolerated, there will be at least as much dis-info. out there as the real facts. What is the role of a journalist but to look at a situation, as a scientist would look through a microscope, and simply record & report the facts. If so, why do people put their own creative spin on newspaper columns, magazine articles, evening telecasts, etc., and then call it, "News"? The gear site has always been deeply rooted in the truth as much it could possibly be known at the time, not Michaelson's, or someone else's creative spin on things.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:50 pm

It's a mistake by a local TV station doing a short "color" piece. I don't see it as something that's going to create a lot of misunderstandings as I doubt very few who saw it when it aired even remember seeing it at this point.

It was not what I'd consider a news piece. The hostilities in Gerogia is a news story, a special segment about Westeds role in making jackets for the film industry is a human interest story. That doesn't excuse errors, but do you really think the manager at that station will go on-air to correct this becuse of a request from a non-official Indy site?

Not a knock against COW or anyone else, and again I very much doubt the story will creat too many misunderstandings.

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:34 am

agreed. It not of concern to anyone, but us and only a few of us.

Doug C

CM · Post by CM » Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:26 am

Doeindy wrote:Hi all.

I do not know if I have the right words; so I will try my best; forgive me if I appear over concerned.

Straight to the point I guess; is there any bad feeling here? The reason I write this is that I love the COW site. This place is a creative fusion of Gearheads from all around the world.

I do not care about anyones business; who owns the rights etc; I just want to buy from the original designers/creators and some great artists who make the effort to do runs of their work.

I also like learning from you guys on how to create my own props etc.

I just had to ask the question. This place is a God send to me, and I am not using that term loosely as I am a believer.

I just felt there was some bad tension and do you know what?

This place is wonderfull and we are very blessed that we have somewhere that specialises in our interests. I almost use this site every day.

I just want to also ask: can we keep this place fun; I was just getting a bit worried thats all.

I know that I may be off key and wrong; I am human thats all, but If I did not speak up about my concern then I know I would be wrong not too.

Please feel free to comment on my worry; you could maybe straighten me out a bit.

I just do not want to see this place go down the pan.

I hope you understand; your friend, and yours in Christ <><.

Paul.

Nothing wrong with some robust debate. I don't understand your comments in this thread however. Everyone is being so well behaved here. But to get to the bottom of things one sometimes needs to be assertive. We're uncovering the facts and that can sometimes upset people -myself included.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:15 pm

Fundamentally, it is an ethics issue and perhaps, perspective. Truth is not subjective, nor does it suddenly become truth simply because I decide that it is, nor when I am ready for it to be. Truth is, however, absolute. It stands alone, and certainly it does not need me to justify it. It is pre-existing and waits for the discoverer, not the reverse. Let's call truth for what it is, a set of facts which are absolute, unyielding and unbending.

At its core, this Gear site has laways been about an uncompromising search for the truth, the Raiders of the Lost Makers. Hopefully, these core values will not be diluted as time goes on, and as most everything has been found and revealed.

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:46 pm

Texan Scott wrote:Fundamentally, it is an ethics issue and perhaps, perspective. Truth is not subjective, nor does it suddenly become truth simply because I decide that it is, nor when I am ready for it to be.

Well COW already had the truth before the TV spot was aired. So we didn't learn any more, and we didn't learn any less, about KotCS jacket.

Who does the ethics issue relate to? The BBC? Peter?

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:55 pm

This thread was basically about a local reporter, who had a full interview, and chose to edit the piece a certain way, and omitted some facts, yes? Additionally, the CS movie poster was also included in such a way as to elude that Wested had also made the CS jacket, or the fan could have at least drawn that conclusion.

Beyond that, the 'ethics' statement was a general statement about the 'trend' or tendancy of reporters, etc., to put a certain personal spin on a news piece, or topic of interest, or elect to edit a piece in a certain way, so as to basically make a statement as to what he or she wishes to say. I don't know that it is a reporter's job to say anything, or to approach a piece with an agenda, so much as it is their overriding responsibility to simply report the truth. The audience then can make up his or her own mind. As an example, Dan Rather chose to trump up some charges about the President, false accusations, etc., and soon thereafter, the CBS evening news anchor chair became vacant.

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