"Dumpy" jackets

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:35 pm

This is not meant to be an insult to anyone that likes the LC and CS jackets, although I realize it probably is. But I’ve always thought that the LC jacket was not very good looking in comparison to the Raiders & TOD jackets. Fast forward 19 years later and we get a new jacket that is similar to the LC jacket. Don’t get me wrong, I think that the CS jacket is an improvement on the LC. The collar is much better. But it still looks dumpy (to me).

The question is, does this dumpy look come from the cut of the jackets or the fact that Ford had a bigger physique in LC & CS than he had in the previous 2 films? I do realize that Ford was more muscular in TOD than in Raiders. But he was bigger yet in LC. I don’t like the LC jacket. Even so, I think that the dumpy look came from Ford being more muscular.

YARVTON · Post by **YARVTON** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:43 pm

The "dumpy look" comes from the cut of the jackets BECAUSE Ford had a bigger, more muscular physique. I suspect that once things were underway, a looser jacket was wanted -- rather than again created something truly "custom" for the actor as was done in Raiders.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:43 pm

Sorry, I think Ford looked better slightly larger. I also think the jackets looked great - more "real world" with the slightly bigger fit.

While I do like the Raiders jacket best it's because of the seemingly darker (leather) appearance, maybe less weathering, and the absence of the snaps - I hate those snaps on the storm flaps.

But I don't think any of the jackets look "dumpy" at all.

YARVTON · Post by **YARVTON** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:47 pm

That's a very contemporary prejudice. For much of the first half of the 20th century, menswear was quite fitted. So many of today's garments are simply oversized even when the cut is good.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:08 pm

Styles change. Sorry you don't like the way clothes look now.

Besides, the Raiders jacket wasn't "that" tight. And my comment was the Ford looked better more buff in TOD.

Cowboy · Post by **Cowboy** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:26 pm

Raider S wrote:Styles change. Sorry you don't like the way clothes look now.

Tollan · Post by **Tollan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:45 pm

Raider S wrote: Besides, the Raiders jacket wasn't "that" tight. And my comment was the Ford looked better more buff in TOD.

You're quite right... the raiders jacket really wasn't that tight fitting. I'm not sure why people think it was... perhaps because of the Raven bar scene where the jacket is kind of bunched up due to the gun holster? But I would agree that I don't really like the style of KCS as well... it's ok... but way less cool than the Raiders jacket.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:03 pm

Indy's jacket did look like a tighter fit around the waist and torso when he zipped it up and had the side straps cinched. You could see it in the Raven bar and horse scenes. It was certainly never tight in the shoulders and arms, though.

SD

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:24 pm

So if the Raiders jacket wasn't that tight (and I'm not saying one way or the other), that would suggest that the sleek look came from Harrison's frame, wouldn't it?

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:41 pm

Doesn't suggest anything as I never said the Raiders jacket looked more sleek either. I like it better because the weathering is more subtle and the color is better.

Post by **Holt** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:53 pm

IMO the raiders jacket was not a tight jacket..it was almost as baggy as LC

here see for yourself

you can see it is even baggy when its all the way zipped up

bests
Holt

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:23 pm

I also think the side straps being quite a bit lower contributes to the "dumpy" look. I think his jacket is too big in KotCS. Baggy is one thing, but if you look at the shoulder seam it hangs lower on his frame than the Raiders jacket, making him look a little sloppy. Raiders jacket looks custom cut, KotCS looks off the rack.

Tollan · Post by **Tollan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:26 pm

Rundquist wrote:So if the Raiders jacket wasn't that tight (and I'm not saying one way or the other), that would suggest that the sleek look came from Harrison's frame, wouldn't it?

And ther in lies the problem... we don't have SA bodies

I just received a new G&B dark seal expo... and it's truly exceptional. As Runquist said in another post, the goat they have at the moment is something else.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:32 pm

The only jacket I'd say looked at all wrong sized was the Skull jacket. It seemed one size too big or it might simply be that the leather seemed much too thick. It looked the most like a "costume" than any of the other jackets. All the other jackets seemed to fit like a glove.

Tollan · Post by **Tollan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:36 pm

Yes... what IS a real world jacket? I see loads of people in the real world wearing all sorts of varied and diverse jackets. Some of them not even made out of leather!!

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:39 pm

I love all the jackets for various reasons. I have never felt they looked dumpy at all.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:50 pm

"Real world" for an "adventurer" would be a jacket that provides some sort of protection, allows whatever movement is needed, and is durable enough for whatever conditions are expected. "Real world" for something to be worn to a wedding or simply to look at in a mirror in the basement would probably be different.

In my mind, an adventurer wouldn't want skin-tight leather and would want a "normal" fit. In any of the movies I didn't see a very tight fitting jacket nor did I see any baggy jackets. All looked like they fit the actor very well with the Skull jacket being the only one that one might say seemed a bit large.

While I don't like the LC jacket best, Ford looked great in his. In TOD the jacket wasn't even shown that much and not in too many action scenes, but again I thought it looked great. Maybe a bit too much distressing, but looked great.

Tollan · Post by **Tollan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:56 pm

In the "real world" NOONE would wear a leather jacket in the jungle!! They would pass out from dehydration within minutes!

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:08 pm

You do notice the " " around the key words and phrases? I think it's obvious we're talking about movie characters here.

I've been in jungles, and deserts. Part of the fun of Indy is to see him wearing the jacket in both these environments. It's over the top pulp fiction.

Tollan · Post by **Tollan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:09 pm

kind of my point. The whole argument of "real world" is kind of ridiculous.

Chewie Louie · Post by **Chewie Louie** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:18 pm

I think the Raiders jacket captured that look that we have all grown to love. Not a good reference shot post by Holt, IMO. Other shots from Raiders seem to show that the jacket, while not tight, was more snug (or fitted) when compared to the other three films.

All of the jackets, however, look fine, certainly nothing I would consider "dumpy." The collar on TOD looks odd though, likewise LC. As for the CS, nothing at all "off the rack" or "costume" looking about that jacket at all. Perhaps if the film was better received, opinions about the jacket would also be different. It's a great looking jacket, even better when you see one up close.

Post by **Holt** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:36 pm

ok..not to go and help to get completly of track...cause we arent...

but just to say this since you called me out with the reference shot

this still looks pretty baggy to me..but we all see things with different eyes...thats why I love this place

bests
Holt

Tollan · Post by **Tollan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:38 pm

Chewie Louie wrote:I think the Raiders jacket captured that look that we have all grown to love. Not a good reference shot post by Holt, IMO. Other shots from Raiders seem to show that the jacket, while not tight, was more snug (or fitted) when compared to the other three films.

All of the jackets, however, look fine, certainly nothing I would consider "dumpy." The collar on TOD looks odd though, likewise LC. As for the CS, nothing at all "off the rack" or "costume" looking about that jacket at all. Perhaps if the film was better received, opinions about the jacket would also be different. It's a great looking jacket, even better when you see one up close.

I disagree... the whole outfit looked like a costume for KCS. Apart from a bit of strategically placed bit of sweat and "ripping" in the area 51 sequence it always looked like a costume to me. I actually quite liked the film though...

Tollan · Post by **Tollan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:44 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:ok..not to go and help to get completly of track...cause we arent...

but just to say this since you called me out with the reference shot

this still looks pretty baggy to me..but we all see things with different eyes...thats why I love this place

bests
Holt

Definitely baggy... just like my new G&B expo! ... but, again... I don't have an SA body!

Also.. HOW cool does that jacket look??!!

Tollan · Post by **Tollan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:16 pm

that seems to fit you perfectly though

Chewie Louie · Post by **Chewie Louie** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:39 pm

Sorry, didn't intend to be a "call out." It's just that the Raiders jacket looks snugger around the torso area than the jackets in the other movies. Sure, the jackets bunched up like that, it does look baggy. However, in the Raven, it seems that it just fits Ford a little snugger around the body and I don't think he was wearing anything underneath except of the shirt in those scenes. I don't think he could fit a sweater or sweatshirt underneath the Raiders jacket, but probably could (by the looks of things) in the other jackets.

Post by **Holt** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:43 pm

ohh no,..dont worrie about it...I didnt put that much tought in it

but I now I helped a little do get derailed but lets get back on track again..

I know this train wants to get to it's finall stopping point someday

bests
Holt

Bemo · Post by **Bemo** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:12 pm

Could the perceived "snuggness" or "bagginess" of the jacket in ROTLA have to do with it being zipped or unzipped? The jacket flapping around in several scenes certainly makes it look like a looser fit.

Peace.

YARVTON · Post by **YARVTON** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:18 am

Right. The Jacket was designed to flatter one actor as he was built in 1980. A different design might have been a better choice to flatter a different build, but that was, of course, impossible. Those who say the jacket "fits like a glove" must believe it's a close-to-the-body fit. Unless you mean Work Gloves, which is just the opposite of what the expression actually means.

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