.45 ACP or 45 Auto rim

Bowie · Post by **Bowie** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:39 pm

I have recently purchased a S&W M22 1917, and I am asking for opinions regarding which ammo you prefer and why. I currently use the .45ACP which requires the moon clips, but I am curious as to the performance/reliability of the Auto rim which does not need the moon clips.

Thanks!!

Bowie

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:38 pm

Bowie,

Congrats on picking up your S&W M22. Let's see some pics of that beauty!!

As for the ammo, I've only fired mine with the .45 ACP & moon clips. I didn't know the Auto Rim was an option. I'm curious to hear someone else weigh in here, as well.

-Craig

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:40 pm

ACP is so cheap, there is no reason to even consider the (most likely) more expensive rimmed cartridges.

I'll even send you .45 ACP brass for the cost of shipping if that helps you out...

Terryhimself · Post by **Terryhimself** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:19 pm

I have been shooting my 1917s and webleyMkVI exclusely with .45 auto rim for at least 10 yrs. I get a real kick out of dropping those big rounds into the chambers and ejecting them afterword.
I have been lucky in finding ammo at shows at decent prices. The rounds are normally loaded with lead bullets that just seem to be easier on the revolvers then jacked..... Terry

hocfutue · Post by **hocfutue** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:20 am

Ammo prices can be a bit steep, compared to the low price of .45 ACP. Reloading with moonclips is a lot faster, too.

If you go with autorims, and plan to do a fair amount of shooting, get into reloading your ammo. It is the way to go with less common rounds, brings the cost down, and lets you load the amount/type of powder and bullet that works best for your needs. Typical .45 ACP loads can be a bit rough on converted Webleys, for example, so using a lighter powder load can be gentler on the action.

Or even use blackpowder. How I love that smell! Always makes me smile!

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:04 am

What IS the going rate for ammo these days? I purchased a Model 22 of 1917 back in March, so I finally had to start buying .45 ACP. I bought a box from a local gun shop here in LA, and it set me back $22 for 50 rounds. Since I had no point of reference, I bought just one box. Thoughts?

-Craig

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:51 am

Here's some answers to the above questions..

Ammo Prices: Try www.cheaperthandirt.com They lots of other cool stuff too, that all gearheads like.

Cleaning copper from the barrel: Butch's Bore Shine. I use this on my .308 and it works great without damaging the barrel (as many copper removers can) Reccomended by several custom barrel makers...

Needless to say, I 'roll my own' too...

John Falcon · Post by **John Falcon** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:39 am

Wal-mart usually has .45 ammo for under $15 for 50.

hocfutue · Post by **hocfutue** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:46 pm

Also keep an eye out for when Wally World has the 100 round packs. A good source for ammo is www.ammoman.com (he carries .45 autorim and .455 Webley) and shipping is included in the usually low prices.

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:53 pm

John Falcon wrote:Wal-mart usually has .45 ammo for under $15 for 50.

Note that not all states allow Wally World to sell ammo.

I can buy it in CT, but not in NY...

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:48 pm

WalMart is not allowed to have stores within the city limits of Los Angeles. Hmm...

-Craig

Lee Keppler · Post by **Lee Keppler** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:54 am

Drive south to the Costa Mesa gun show August 16, 17 2008. In the first building to your left is Wholesale Ammo. They take up about ten tables worth of space. Stop and say hello! I'm one row over under the Adventure Supply banner.

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:10 pm

Lee Keppler wrote:Drive south to the Costa Mesa gun show August 16, 17 2008. In the first building to your left is Wholesale Ammo. They take up about ten tables worth of space. Stop and say hello! I'm one row over under the Adventure Supply banner.

Lee,

Thanks for the heads up! I'll definitely try to come down - would love to get the chance to meet and chat in person. I assume you will be offering up some of your gear for sale there?

Kind regards,
Craig

Solent MKIII · Post by **Solent MKIII** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:22 am

That's a pretty good show - LOTS of stuff to browse through. I usually end up buying
some ammo from Wholesale when I go - good customer service and products ( just wish
they had more of the military surplus rounds - 8mm Mauser and 30.06 surplus are getting
harder to come by at a cheap price ) It would also be nice to meet Lee in person as well.
I've been to that show at least a half-dozen times in the past few years and I'm sure
I passed right by his table without knowing who it was ( of course, I really didn't know
about ANY of the gear vendors until I got a computer & internet this year - finally crawled
outta the stone age, as my friends put it )

:junior:

pigirondan · Post by **pigirondan** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:54 am

http://www.georgia-arms.com/45acp-1.aspx

Canned Heat, mafa, Canned Heat!

Wisconsin Platt · Post by **Wisconsin Platt** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:17 pm

New Member Chiming in here:

I really prefer to use Auto Rims, especially in older S&Ws or revolvers that are converted from .45 Eley/.455 Webley like my British Hand Ejectors and Webleys. Most Auto Rim rounds are loaded with plain lead or plated lead bullets and put less wear on the barrels.
The steel on these old war horses, while top notch in their day, just isn't as tough as modern barrels and the rifling is very shallow in many .45ACP models. Using lead bullets and the usually lighter loaded Auto Rims will make them last longer and keep them shooting in the decades to come. In a modern version like the Model 22 or 22 of 1917, use whatever you'd like.

If speed of reloading is a factor, HKS does or did make a .45 Auto Rim speed loader that works well with the Smiths, Webleys, and Colts. Slightly slower than the moonclips, but easier to find than the vintage brass speedloaders used by police at the turn of the century.

BTW, if you see the now discontinued PMC Auto Rim rounds anywhere, make sure you snag them. I've yet to have a Webley that shot them anywhere but point of aim and in a small group, even at extended ranges (75yds). Smiths and Colts like'em too!

dr. tyree · Post by **dr. tyree** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:58 am

IME, the auto rims don't kick as hard.

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:23 am

I think that is what WP was basically saying- the rounds don't hammer the gun as hard (or the user).

Of course, if you 'roll your own' you can tailor tham as needed through light bullet selection and corresponding light powder charges- even black powder (which I think was mentioned earlier) for the authentic smoke screen...

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:08 pm

Lee Keppler wrote:Drive south to the Costa Mesa gun show August 16, 17 2008. In the first building to your left is Wholesale Ammo. They take up about ten tables worth of space. Stop and say hello! I'm one row over under the Adventure Supply banner.

Lee,

Sorry we missed each other at the Crossroads show. I came down to visit, but when I couldn't find you, I spoke to one of the organizers. They said you weren't setting up a table this time around. I know there's another one in Costa Mesa in a few months. If you make it down, please let me know. I will definitely come back and chat.

And thanks for the ammo tip - I got a good deal on some .45ACP from Wholesale Ammo.

Kind regards,
Craig