`The Turn`

[morethanatimelord]

Simple search...less than two minutes. There were more, I just choose this one. viewtopic.php?t=2863&highlight=turn

Or if you'd rather, here is the direct link from that thread. http://brokenheartsfixedhere.homestead. ... sTurn.html

By the way, if one of the Mods reads this, click on the link...JohnNdy has a HUGE avatar.

no your missing the point. new members dont know to search for these threads and once again they dont really break the terminology down for beginners

[binkmeisterRick]

Let's keep it civil, guys.

[morethanatimelord]

no problems here

[morethanatimelord]

Let's keep it civil, guys.

I agree Bink. The SEARCH button is at the top of the page and I thought it was obvious to all who visited the site.

im backing off now iv made my point it would be helpful if this thread could be pinned to help others with the turn as not everyone knows how its done

kind regards

[Indiana Venkman]

Sorry if you took what I said the wrong way, but in the last couple of weeks there have been numerous threads dedicated to the 'turn' pop up. With no effort at all I can think of at least 3 that were on the top of this page just a week ago. I'm no expert myself, heck, I'm still waiting for my first decent hat to arrive, but have read several threads about nothing but the turn and the concept is really quite simple, you were, for what ever reason, just not getting it. My comment was never intended to be scathing but you didn't seem to take it well. My advice if you are going to frequent message boards is to learn that a little research and a thicker skin goes along way. Good luck with your bash though, sincerely.

[morethanatimelord]

Sorry if you took what I said the wrong way, but in the last couple of weeks there have been numerous threads dedicated to the 'turn' pop up. With no effort at all I can think of at least 3 that were on the top of this page just a week ago. I'm no expert myself, heck, I'm still waiting for my first decent hat to arrive, but have read several threads about nothing but the turn and the concept is really quite simple, you were, for what ever reason, just not getting it. My comment was never intended to be scathing but you didn't seem to take it well. My advice if you are going to frequent message boards is to learn that a little research and a thicker skin goes along way. Good luck with your bash though, sincerely.

lol iv been a long standing member on the doctor who forum (formerly known as outpost gallifrey) for about 3 years now and iam a mod on many other fan forums so i know my way around thanks

to many beginners the turn is not a simple concept at all a member in this very thread has proved my point that he/she was not clear and that this thread helpped so obviously its not as simple as you think it is. if it was that simple many people wouldnt spend alot of time perfecting it would they?

your post certainly wasnt scathing and i never took it as bad as that believe me i just found it slightly unhelpful. but no problems here all water under the bridge

[Michaelson]

Well, bear in mind, there are a lot of us who don't PRACTICE the 'turn', so we don't pay a whole lot of attention to these particular posts either. A 'stickied' post would just clutter up the top of this section, in our opinion, so there's two sides to this coin.

After all is said and done, it's all in what you want your hats to look like, or DON'T want them to look like.

Regards! Michaelson

[morethanatimelord]

Well, bear in mind, there are a lot of us who don't PRACTICE the 'turn', so we don't pay a whole lot of attention to these particular posts either. A 'stickied' post would just clutter up the top of this section, in our opinion, so there's two sides to this coin.

After all is said and done, it's all in what you want your hats to look like, or DON'T want them to look like.

Regards! Michaelson

couldnt agree more michaelson

i just thought that doing the turn (lol sounds like a dance move ) was the only sure way to get a nice swoop and shape to your hat

[Michaelson]

Actually, I've found that the swoop is also accomplished by pulling a round hat over a long oval head....at least that's what happens in my case.

Ford also has a long oval shaped head. Though the turn exists, I will always believe it occurred as he forced a round HJ over his oval head, creating the 'swoop' everyone is trying to achieve.

Personally, I find doing that uncomfortable.

Regards! Michaelson

[BendingOak]

If you want your hat to look like the hat in Raiders, it must be turned. that being said some don't like the turn even if it was in the film that way. Some don't like the turn because ( some hats are to stiff) it's uncomfortable. I high end or soft felt fedora will be comfortable with the turn. I have three Adventurebilts that have the turn and I don't feel a thing.
I first tried the turn on a couple of hats ( I won't name , names here). They were stiff and I hated it. I got my first AB and with the turn by Steve and loved it. I'm glade I trusted in him because now I wouldn't wear a Raiders hat without it. It even bugs me seeing a Raiders hat without it.


...........and please , need I say........... IMHO.

[binkmeisterRick]

But not ALL of Indy's hats were turned in Raiders, so you're still good, either way.

[morethanatimelord]

Actually, I've found that the swoop is also accomplished by pulling a round hat over a long oval head....at least that's what happens in my case.

Ford also has a long oval shaped head. Though the turn exists, I will always believe it occurred as he forced a round HJ over his oval head, creating the 'swoop' everyone is trying to achieve.

Personally, I find doing that uncomfortable.

Regards! Michaelson

hmmm..my dad has the same hat size as me but a long oval head where as mine is more rounded.

i personally think the swoop caused by the turn is the defining part of indy`s hat but thats just my personal thoughts

[morethanatimelord]

But not ALL of Indy's hats were turned in Raiders, so you're still good, either way.

was indys hat turned in LC?

[binkmeisterRick]

I believe the turned hat is primarily considered a Raiders thing.

[BendingOak]

But not ALL of Indy's hats were turned in Raiders, so you're still good, either way.

Yes this is true but not much and my mind doesn't except them.

[Renderking Fisk]

Can we "Stickie" this thread, or any other one for future members?

[conceited_ape]

was indys hat turned in LC?

Nope. Just Raiders.

Though the first hat we see in Raiders, just before he enters the Chacapoyan temple is the unturned hat people speak of.

...and possibly the hat worn outside the Bantu Wind as Sallah sends Indy and Marion off.

[Zombie Jones]

Some don't like the turn because ( some hats are to stiff) it's uncomfortable.

I can vouch for this. When I received my Fed IV, the first thing I did after making sure it was the proper size was attempt the turn. The results were less than stellar--the brim looked more like a warped vinyl LP (a record album for you youngsters) with no hint of swoop. Also, since the Fed IV's are rather stiff out-of-the-box, it was so uncomfortable that I couldn't imagine myself wearing it that way, so I turned it back and bashed the crown with the hat "properly" positioned. I would have preferred the "Indy swoop" but, with my round oval head, it wasn't meant to be.

[Kt Templar]

but, with my round oval head, it wasn't meant to be.

It looks a bit big too, but with those ears it just about works. Might be bit dark too.

[Zombie Jones]

It looks a bit big too, but with those ears it just about works. Might be bit dark too.

If it weren't for the ears holding it up, I wouldn't be able to eat while wearing it either.

[morethanatimelord]

Some don't like the turn because ( some hats are to stiff) it's uncomfortable.

I can vouch for this. When I received my Fed IV, the first thing I did after making sure it was the proper size was attempt the turn. The results were less than stellar--the brim looked more like a warped vinyl LP (a record album for you youngsters) with no hint of swoop. Also, since the Fed IV's are rather stiff out-of-the-box, it was so uncomfortable that I couldn't imagine myself wearing it that way, so I turned it back and bashed the crown with the hat "properly" positioned. I would have preferred the "Indy swoop" but, with my round oval head, it wasn't meant to be.

yeah the fedIV is a little stiff isnt it. i think it would drive me mad if the hat didnt feel right once turned.

conceited_ape: you know i always thought that hat looked a little different now i know lol

[Mike]

Actually, I've found that the swoop is also accomplished by pulling a round hat over a long oval head....at least that's what happens in my case.

Ford also has a long oval shaped head. Though the turn exists, I will always believe it occurred as he forced a round HJ over his oval head, creating the 'swoop' everyone is trying to achieve.

Personally, I find doing that uncomfortable.

Regards! Michaelson

BINGO!

I used to preach this when the "turn" first came into 'fashion' here. There were those who jumped on it as being 'the answer'. Its one of those things that get talked about so much that people start to believe it as truth.

I've always stated that the "turn" is a fan's way to make the swoosh effect comfortably.

You'll notice in Raiders that it only happens on hats that appear tight to Harrison's head. I get the same effect when jamming on my size 7 HJ to my 7 1/4 head (last hat I'll buy till my head stops growing ) Don't know if you can tell in my avatar, but it's there, as is the reverse taper.

[binkmeisterRick]

yeah the fedIV is a little stiff isnt it.

I have a FedIV Deluxe which is very soft! The Akubras come a bit stiff, but that's simply because of the stiffener. Give it some wear (or work it with your hands a bit) and the stiffener will relax. After a few weeks, the hat will be anything but stiff!

[morethanatimelord]

yeah the fedIV is a little stiff isnt it.

I have a FedIV Deluxe which is very soft! The Akubras come a bit stiff, but that's simply because of the stiffener. Give it some wear (or work it with your hands a bit) and the stiffener will relax. After a few weeks, the hat will be anything but stiff!

the front of the brim where it dips is quite floppy now as i have been working that the most recently:) so as you say i think it just needs wearing in a bit more which wont take long as iam wearing it alot lol

yesterday i was shaping the brim differently. with some nice results.




i pushed the sides of the brim up so that they were touching the crown, this made the front of the brim swoop down quite nicely .

to me now when i wear it, it feels more like an indy hat

[Mike]

Looks goo…and great pup!!

[morethanatimelord]

thanks!

yeah the pup is great, shes called petra...i wanted to call her indiana but its my mums dog and she had other ideas

[gabrielle]

Your hat is really coming along it looks great now!!! Try holding it down now over your right eye and pusing the brim up by your right ear so it touches the crown. You'll start to see a nice little swoop as the brim softens. That's what I did to my Jimmy Pierce, which isn't turned, and the brim looks good now!

[morethanatimelord]

thanks gabrielle i shall give that a try...do you mean hold the front of the brim and then bush up on the brim above my ear?

[gabrielle]

I hold the brim with my left hand down over my right eye and with my right hand grab the brim just in front of my right ear and pull or push up until the brim touches the crown. I keep doing this a few times then let go then grab again and do the same. After a few days the swoop will show up!

[morethanatimelord]

thanks gabrielle i think il give that a go

il vote again for having this thread pinned too as i agree with Renderking Fisk, i believe this thread would be very helpful for future new members wanting tips on bashing and shaping there new hat

[BendingOak]

Don't we have a link to pagey/wiskyman.s how to turn and bash a hat somewhere? Thats the thing that need to be at the top of the fedora section.

[morethanatimelord]

most of the links i have tried dont appear to work for me

[Ken-Obi Wanabi]

I've got to chime in - I started a thread a couple of weeks ago on this same topic. The problem is that terminology is used but not explained in one concise spot. I love gear and props and researching them as much as most people here, but without knowing what to search for, it makes things difficult to find. In other words, the search button is easy to find, but knowing what to search for is not. The only alternative to just starting a new thread is reading through hundreds of threads to see if you can find something you're looking for when you don't really know what you're looking for.

If the members here want less threads on the "same" topic, then I think a sticky thread of terms relating to a fedora - along with pictures showing what those terms mean - would help all people who are just getting into fedoras. Like me (with my brand new AB)... and apparently many others.

I hope this is helpful and not just rehashing or OT. My apologies if it is.

[BendingOak]

I've got to chime in - I started a thread a couple of weeks ago on this same topic. The problem is that terminology is used but not explained in one concise spot. I love gear and props and researching them as much as most people here, but without knowing what to search for, it makes things difficult to find. In other words, the search button is easy to find, but knowing what to search for is not. The only alternative to just starting a new thread is reading through hundreds of threads to see if you can find something you're looking for when you don't really know what you're looking for.

If the members here want less threads on the "same" topic, then I think a sticky thread of terms relating to a fedora - along with pictures showing what those terms mean - would help all people who are just getting into fedoras. Like me (with my brand new AB)... and apparently many others.

I hope this is helpful and not just rehashing or OT. My apologies if it is.

I think that is very helpfull. I see if I can come up something that will help.

[binkmeisterRick]

Don't we have a link to pagey/wiskyman.s how to turn and bash a hat somewhere? Thats the thing that need to be at the top of the fedora section.

It used to be in the FAQ sticky at the top of this forum, but the link has been severed from the outside source. We've had it up numerous times before, but the links always get broken, or the authors have little desire to maintain it.

Regarding the turn theory, we could add it to the current sticky, but give me some time on that one. (Meaning please be patient and I'll see what I can do!)

As for stickies being used to prevent people from repeating threads and asking the same questions over and over, I see it happen all the time despite numerous stickies in each section that folks simply don't bother to read. I guarantee you that if the turn theory is added to the FAQ sticky, it will not stop folks from posting new threads about it. The search function may be a bit tweaky, but it does work if you continue after a single try. If after a handful of tries you still get no results, then ask away, but give the search a chance! Example:

Inquiry: "turning a hat"
Forum/Category: All available
Clicked "Search for any terms or use query as entered"
Results: 7973 matches
Narrowed same search to just Fedora section: 4239 matches.
Changed to "Search for all terms"
Results: 212 matches
Scrolling down the list, I see 6 threads worth checking out, by which the title alone could provide the answers I'm looking for...

If "turning a hat" didn't work, I could've changed my search to "hat turn" or just "turn," for that matter. Think of it like a google search. If your first search doesn't bring back the results you want, you modify your search, right?

I'm not picking on folks, really, other to say that it seems many ignore the search feature altogether or don't give it a chance. Again, I'll see about adding the turn to the FAQ sticky, but don't think it'll stop threads from popping up in the future.

[Mike]

yeah the pup is great, shes called petra..

Hope she lasts as long and is as good a dog as my wife's Petra was.

[BendingOak]

thanks Bink 'ol friend. See you not only a thief, You can be helpful.

[binkmeisterRick]

Thief? Why, what EVER do you mean?

[morethanatimelord]

I've got to chime in - I started a thread a couple of weeks ago on this same topic. The problem is that terminology is used but not explained in one concise spot. I love gear and props and researching them as much as most people here, but without knowing what to search for, it makes things difficult to find. In other words, the search button is easy to find, but knowing what to search for is not. The only alternative to just starting a new thread is reading through hundreds of threads to see if you can find something you're looking for when you don't really know what you're looking for.

If the members here want less threads on the "same" topic, then I think a sticky thread of terms relating to a fedora - along with pictures showing what those terms mean - would help all people who are just getting into fedoras. Like me (with my brand new AB)... and apparently many others.

I hope this is helpful and not just rehashing or OT. My apologies if it is.

thats exactly what i mean, personally i cant see what the problem is just pinning this thread to the top its a simple easy thread thats been very helpful wouldnt it be alot easier to just pin this rather than setting up another one? whats the point when this one is already here?

thanks Mike petra`s father was actually from american and lived on a ranch . i didnt know petra was such a popular nam for german shepherds

[gwyddion]

Correct me if I'm wrong mods, but the problem with making things a sticky is that it takes up space at the top of the board. The more stickies you have, the more you would have to scroll down to find new threads. Ideally you would want to minimize the amounts of stickies in order to maintain a clear overview on the boards so you can easily see which threads have new posts. A way of doing this is making a FAQ sticky to put all kinds of important information in so it would still be very accessible

Regards, Geert

[binkmeisterRick]

Exactly, Geert. Even so, there is information already in the FAQ sticky which people don't bother to read now, so while adding more info to the existing FAQ makes sense, I doubt it will stop some from posting repeat threads in the long run.

[gwyddion]

True, but at least we could start our first (and maybe last) reply with: read the FAQ sticky


Regards, Geert

[morethanatimelord]

the only terminology that is explained in the FAQ are these

Terminology:
Block: The overall shape of the hat body.
Bash: Not to be confused with block, this refers to the shaped details of a hats crown,
such as the top center or teardrop dent and front pinch/crease of the crown.
Taper: A sloping of the crown from bottom to top. _ / \_
Taper can happen when a hat gets wet and/or shrinkage occurs. Some hats are designed with taper.
The Raiders hat is not supposed to have any taper.
Dimensional Cut: A non-uniform cut of the brim in relation to the front/back compared to the sides.
Generally, the front/back is slightly wider then sides

none explain everything that goes with the turn or the correct shaping of the hat and as far as i can tell the only link in the FAQ thread that i can get to work is the www.radiershat.com

[gwyddion]

Well, that's where the patience comes in: Bink said it would be added to the FAQ, but that it would take some time. So when he finds the time to write a piece about the turn, it will be added and be there to help people who have trouble finding out what "the turn" is.

Regards, Geert

[binkmeisterRick]

Well, that's where the patience comes in: Bink said it would be added to the FAQ, but that it would take some time. So when he finds the time to write a piece about the turn, it will be added and be there to help people who have trouble finding out what "the turn" is.

Regards, Geert

Bingo.

[Ken-Obi Wanabi]

Yeah - I don't think we need a new sticky, I think it makes more sense to add to the current one. I did read through the existing one several times, and it is very helpful, I just don't think it contains enough information.

The mods around here don't get enough kudos for all their work - you all do a great job and it's appreciated!

[binkmeisterRick]

Thanks, Ken. We do our best. I'll try to add something in the FAQ on the turn this weekend if I can.

[gwyddion]

*BUMP*

Hate to do this Bink, but have you written something on "the turn" for the FAQ thread yet?

Regards, Geert

[binkmeisterRick]

Nope. Haven't forgotten, but haven't found the time.

[gwyddion]

We'll see it when it gets posted. No rush, but I was just reminded to remind you.

Regards, Geert