Ordering a David Morgan Whip from the U.K.

GeordieIndy · Post by **GeordieIndy** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:36 pm

Hi,

I have a question to fellow U.K. COW members.

I am hoping to be ordering a David Morgan whip over the next few weeks and was wondering if many of you got hit with crazy import taxes and if so do you have any suggestions before placing an order??

Thanks,

GeordieIndy

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:42 pm

I have a vintage Morgan on sale right now - it's in Europe so no tax, and was made by Morgan himself while he was still making great whips. His later whips wern't quite as good, and anyway he's retired now.
Tax can be hefty - when i ordered fro Morgan a couple of years ago I ended up paying another couple of hundred dollars. That was in Austria - not sure how much it'd be for the UK.

GeordieIndy · Post by **GeordieIndy** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:51 pm

Hi Whiskeyman,

Just checked out your whip, it's a very nice whip but just a little pricey for me, sorry!

I might have to see if I can get a whip sent to some friends in the U.S. and get them to send it to me, see if I can dodge the hefty tax this way!

Thanks,

GeordieIndy

The Aviator · Post by **The Aviator** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:58 pm

I wouldn't bet on it if you give the value for an item, which you would need to if it was still to be insured the tax man would still get you. Only 2 things are certain in life...death and taxes

Cheers

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:15 pm

And what is it with COW'ers and dodging taxes? If I were to purchase any item I accept the monetary responsibility that comes with the item. Although much more minor, I don't try and get out of paying taxes levied in other states not levied in mine because people, all people, are required to pay them. I'm no more special then anyone else that I think I can get out of paying an extra penalty which comes by location or item. Don't try and find away out of it, just go though it and do as so many others have to. Just my .02

The Aviator · Post by **The Aviator** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:28 pm

"Cow'ers" dodging taxes??

...nothing like a good'ol sterotype to begin a thread

...hey just because we are required to pay them doesn't mean we have to like it

Cheers

GeordieIndy · Post by **GeordieIndy** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:40 pm

Hey,

I don't want to cause any arguments here and I appreciate what everyone is saying, freedom of speech and everything.

So please, if anyone has any advice to my original question can we just stick to that :!:

Thanks,

GeordieIndy

The Aviator · Post by **The Aviator** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:15 pm

Hey im just foolin around there meant it as some friendly banter

...but it's my experience from items I have purchased from America that you will have to pay tax, to my knowledge there is no way of getting around it. Have you tried emailing David Morgan just to see If they can help you out and give you some specifics on import taxes and stuff

Cheers

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:14 pm

The Avaitor wrote:"Cow'ers" dodging taxes?? ...nothing like a good'ol sterotype to begin a thread ...hey just because we are required to pay them doesn't mean we have to like it

Cheers

In the last few months, more then just this thread has wondered "Hey how can I beat taxes on a whip/hat/jacket". It's not the first time, and I doubt it will be the last. I find it interesting, that's all. My advice is pay the tax.

IndyWhips · Post by **IndyWhips** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:45 am

Uk tax.....

1/ the price of the whip...
2/ the price of the postage

add to this 17.5%

3/ now add to the price of the whip, the postage and the 17.5%...
a further 2.5%....

Insulted?????

Now add on £13.00 that the post office charge you for paying the duty on your behalf....

If it comes UPS add £11.00.,...

Other couriers charge even more......

Look at adding the best part of £100.00 onto the price of your Morgan whip...

Tony

IndyWhips · Post by **IndyWhips** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:42 am

This really got me spitting nut's and bolts about import duty, prompted by my answer above I thought I'd actually do the calculation and see how it turned out......

Morgan 10 foot Indy $865.00

Shipping $40.00

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Using Google currency converter....

$865.00 = £433.88
$40.00 = £20.64
Total = £454.52

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V.A.T @ 17.5% = £79.54
the whip now costs £534.06

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Import duty @ 2.5% = £13.35

the whip now costs £547.41

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Royal Mail delivery charge = £13 + V.A.T total = £15.27
the whip now costs £562.68

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Huge difference.......

£128.80.........

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Get Paul Nolan to do you one, it'll be cheaper and a much much better whip IMHO......

Tony..

GeordieIndy · Post by **GeordieIndy** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:40 am

Hey,

Thanks for all the calculations Tony :!: That's why I posted this topic, I know from past experiences you can get totally hammered with taxes and charges, I just wasn't sure how much it would be.

Aviator - You're not wrong about only 2 things being cerftain in life - death & taxes!! Ha Ha

Hollywood - It's not that I am a total tax dodger, but I hope you can see my point when you look at the calcuations above! Surely it would annoy you just a little....

Thanks for all your imput :!:

GeordieIndy

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:52 am

All the more reason to grab one that's already in Europe. No further taxes.

GeordieIndy · Post by **GeordieIndy** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:02 pm

Ha Ha :!: :!:

You would make a good salesman whiskyman :!:

I just really can't afford the 650€.

Thanks anyway :!:

GeordieIndy

kiltie · Post by **kiltie** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:16 pm

Not only that, but if you're buying something secondhand, the taxes are ( should have been ) paid. Double taxation? Someone might start a revolution :idea: . Happy Fourth of July!

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:38 pm

GeordieIndy wrote:Ha Ha :!: :!:

You would make a good salesman whiskeyman :!:

I just really can't afford the 650€.

Thanks anyway :!:

GeordieIndy

Well, maybe

Seriously though, if you're really set on a Morgan I feel obliged to point mine out to you. I've owned modern morgans and there not a patch on the old ones. And now of course, David isn't even making them himself!

It's on ebay with no reserve, you might get it for a low price.

I'll stop hawking now

Solent MKIII · Post by **Solent MKIII** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:19 pm

Man - those import duties and fees are nuts! If you've really got your heart set
on picking up a new Morgan whip, I'd order and pay for one but have them keep
it in their shop when it's finished - then plan a vacation to Seattle and pick up your
whip in person ( you might even get to meet the man! ) I'm not sure about how the
law works in the U.K. when bringing in something from overseas in your luggage,
though. Do they ding you with fees after landing at Heathrow? Just thinking out loud.

Whatever happens, I hope you'll be able to get you hands on one of those whips
sometime in the near future - keep checking around home & the European Market. :junior:

GeordieIndy · Post by **GeordieIndy** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:15 pm

Hey Whiskyman,

Congrats on selling your whip, I knew you would have no problem selling it :!:

Looks like I need to put buying a whip on hold just for now, just landed a few unexpected bills, you know how it goes...

Thanks for all the help guys and I'll let you know how I get on when I get sorted with a whip :!:

GeordieIndy

classicbullwhips · Post by **classicbullwhips** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:31 pm

For those of you who have shipped a whip from the US to the UK how did you ship it (what company and how) I went to UPS today to find out and they said that UPS international to the UK with signature release and insurance would be about $193 us. woundering if there is a cheaper way that I can ship it.

Keep Cracking

James

rjallen70 · Post by **rjallen70** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:38 pm

I have recently shipped to the uk...twice in fact.
USPS Priority was about $30 and took 9 days.
Ron

Cracker · Post by **Cracker** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:48 pm

James, a flat rate priority mail by USPS to the UK should be $38.95. Go to http://www.usps.com/prices/priority-mai ... ices.htm#U