A few more Lee Keppler photos (Raiders gun belt)

Nassik · Post by **Nassik** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:12 pm

As an added bonus, Lee included a few other photos that can't be seen on his website. In gratitude for him sending me the photos, I will include them here as well for others to see the work he does.

The Raiders gun belt...

Respectfully,
Nassik

Digger · Post by **Digger** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:33 pm

Now that one looks like the still photos and the screen grabs.

Indiana MarkVII · Post by **Indiana MarkVII** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:11 am

My problem had been when I try to use a whip holder like that, my whip doesn't stay put. the handle ends up creeping down until it is dragging on the ground and the loops are all messed up. This happens while I'm sitting or walking, so I've all but abandoned that style to a more secure style, which may be less screen accurate, but actually works.

Nassik · Post by **Nassik** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:27 am

Use a Coil Keeper from Whip Artistry Studios to hold the whip in place without slipping. It's $14.99 and it would blend in with the Raiders style gun belt.

As a side note, I've posted about Whip Artistry Studios a few times. I have no connection to or affiliation with them whatsoever.

Respectfully,
Nassik

Solent MKIII · Post by **Solent MKIII** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:31 am

I've tied a piece or two of thin rawhide around the whip after it's coiled -
the ties go where the whip holder will hide them. Then, I tie one more
piece of rawhide through the first two and around the back side of the
keeper. Snap the keeper shut, and you're good to go! :junior:

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:46 am

That looks great!

Contact info for "Keppler" please?

Would they make the 'tail' longer for me? I notice Indy's belt(s) are both way long, and seem to have a tail hanging off them. Or perhaps I get an un-punched belt. A hole punch is less than $10.00...

Thanks!

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:25 am

Indy's Raiders belt does not have a long piece hanging off the bit end. It's actually pretty sort, only about 4 inches.

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:18 pm

OK. See this is the help I need.

Short of watching Raiders another 50 times (not that I'm against that, but Halloween is coming up fast), these details are what I need.

before I spend the evening searching (which I may end up doing anyway) can you point me in the right direction of a definitive list of the correct 'raiders' costume?

Starting from the top, we have the hat, with Raiders bash, Beaver felt etc.

Glasses: Round frame, wire temples brand? (not critical at this time, just being thorough)

Jacket: Wested, details are around, but 80's fit, Rectangular sliders, etc.

Shirt: Wested probably, but there are others, may see about making them locally if the price is right...

Pant belt: web, brown (I have a tan one, but that seems to be in the later movies)

Pants: Orvis or Wested Officer's 'pinks' (also maybe made locally)

Gun belt: brown leather, 4" 'extra' as mentioned above, metal keeper (i think) I have a nice 'close enough' one that has a leather keeper, but it has a curved nickel buckle and everything.

Holster: custom for short barrel Smith

Whip holder: Brown leather, riveted to gun belt

Whip: 10' brown roo hide

Bag: Mark VII, leather strap, nickel buckle

Socks: Dark Brown (probably wool or wool bend)

Shoes: Aldens

So, that's what I have, but "the devil's in the details" as they say. Is there something like this list, but accurate and complete? If not, should we (or I) endeavor to create it? Perhaps a list like this, with the details covered, for each movie?

Digger · Post by **Digger** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:58 pm

Here we go IMO:

Hat: New Keppler. I've seen the prototype.

Glasses: Frames Direct Chase Berkshire Panto

Jacket: Gibson & Barnes Expedition. You only have to buy one.

Digger · Post by **Digger** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:07 pm

Sorry, finger slipped

Shirt: Wested or Magnoli

Pants Belt: Todd's or Keppler

Pants; Magnoli

Raiders gunbelt: Keppler

Holster: Keppler

Whipholder: Comes with the Keppler gunbelt.

Whip: Joe Strain

Bag: Keppler strap with original bag or Magnoli bag. Keppler has Magnoli bags.

Socks: wal Mart. Black IMO

Shoes: alden #405 of course.

Hope this helped. Now everybody can disagree with me.

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:56 pm

This is a good start...

what I was thinking was rather a list/picture set detailing, well, the details that set the guidelines for: "this belt is Raiders, this belt is TOD" etc. Not necessarily specific brands (although that IS helpful), but rather a resource for anyone to look at to compare the stuff they have, or are planning to get, to the "reference" to make sure it is (as far as we can) "right" for the specific movie that person is trying to replicate the costume for.

If, however, the right way to do this is to say: Get 'brand X' pants and 'brand Y' shirt, then so be it. Really, I think the 'add-ons' are what make or break the look. The pants and shirt are pretty well given at this point, as are the shoes and mark VII bag, but all the other details, from the varying hat bashes to the bag strap colors and buckles, gun belt and holster style and colors etc. is the stuff that gets ya. And, (if allowed) a link to those who sell the specific items mentioned (Like Schmidty for the Aldens) I think at least, would reduce the number of repeat questions that pop up.

I just realized this is a long post... Anyway, what do you think?

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:03 pm

Here's a photo of the Raiders gunbelt taken from an on set picture. You can see how short the bit end really is and I think Keppler nailed the shape of it.

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:48 pm

That looks great. What is interesting is that it seems to have holes way out on the 'bit' end, which I find unusual... I guess since it is not captured in one of the pant loops, as a typical belt is, that makes it seem longer than it really is.

On a 'normal' belt, that fits properly, there are five (sometimes seven, I have one this way, but it is Italian, and unusual) and a 'perfet' fit is when the belt uses the central hole of the bunch (so, #3 of 5, or #4 of 7). The rule is give-or-take 1, as we all vary somewhat in our dimensions day to day...

So, was his belt VERY long, and now he uses the 'tightest' hole, and the bit beyond 4" was cut off? It is difficult to discern that from this picture...

I agree with you however- about 4 inches past the keeper on the belt is what it looks like to me too...

whipcracker · Post by **whipcracker** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:19 pm

4 inches is a standard in western wear for how much belt should show after the buckle.

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:57 pm

Yes, I believe the belt was way too long and the excess was trimmed off, thus leaving a hole so close to the edge.

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:36 pm

So based on that I need to order my belt WAY too long, and cut it down, right? (to get 'the look').

Do you know if thee were several belts, or just the one? Any other pictures that show the belt well?

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:46 pm

You could do that I suppose or have him do up a belt for you with no holes so you could punch your own wherever you wanted them.

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:27 am

That's a good idea too... A punch is less than $10.00...

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:32 pm

Is the Keppler website still functional?

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

No, you'll have to call or PM him.