Would TN make a Raiders?

mooniteman · Post by **mooniteman** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:12 pm

So do you think Tony Nowak would make me a Raiders lambskin?

And how much does those jacket's run? i can't get the site to work properly.

Thanks!

AJ

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:21 pm

TN only makes CS jackets. If you want the best Raiders jacket, Wested is your best bet....afterall, these guys made the original. In my opinion, for the ultimate Raiders, get a Wested custom Raiders in Authentic brown lambskin.

mooniteman · Post by **mooniteman** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:26 pm

Already have one - but i'm not happy with it - it's just too big for me - guess I gotta form over some more cash to wested then

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:32 pm

mooniteman wrote:Already have one - but i'm not happy with it - it's just too big for me - guess I gotta form over some more cash to wested then

......you need a customized Wested Raiders, not OTR. Makes all the difference in the world.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:39 pm

PSBIndy wrote:
mooniteman wrote:Already have one - but i'm not happy with it - it's just too big for me - guess I gotta form over some more cash to wested then
......you need a customized Wested Raiders, not OTR. Makes all the difference in the world.

don't forget about mr. coyle.....his raiders in prewashed lamb is the only raiders jacket IMHO. leather, drape, buckles, strap stitching, zipper, pockets, storm flap, collar, are all pretty much bang on to what you see on screen.

wested makes a fine custom jacket.....and you can get them to account for all the nitpicky stuff....but after all that, the lamb still looks squeeky clean. like agent 5 said a long time ago..."a new jacket is not very indy"

mooniteman · Post by **mooniteman** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:07 pm

who's Mr.Coyle?

sounds like a cartoon villain - lol

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:10 pm

Todd Coyle at Todd's Costumes.

Oh, and Nowak's CS jackets are around $700.

Han Jones · Post by **Han Jones** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:12 pm

Todds is the best way to for a Raiders jacket. I only have the standard but you can bet his custom is great. I have compared my Wested to the todds standard and they are not even close. The Todds looks much more like the raiders jacket.

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:29 pm

Han Jones wrote:Todds is the best way to for a Raiders jacket. I only have the standard but you can bet his custom is great. I have compared my Wested to the todds standard and they are not even close. The Todds looks much more like the raiders jacket.

....Ouch! A $150 "costume" jacket better than a genuine Wested Raiders?!....... the same people who made the original version for Harrison?!..........sacrilege!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:52 am

PSBIndy wrote:
Han Jones wrote:Todds is the best way to for a Raiders jacket. I only have the standard but you can bet his custom is great. I have compared my Wested to the todds standard and they are not even close. The Todds looks much more like the raiders jacket.
....Ouch! A $150 "costume" jacket better than a genuine Wested Raiders?!....... the same people who made the original version for Harrison?!..........sacrilege!

that's todd's "standard". the "custom" is $499 and worth every dime imo. also my opinion, wested's raiders jacket is a simplified LC jacket. ie - these are the patterns that peter kept records of (someone correcty me if i'm wrong...er...._?). peter's LC and prototype CS jackets are the real deal for us stitch nazis as i see these jackets having the correct pedigree...and/or proposed pedigree.

the only jackets that bear direct lineage to the size and specs of a jacket from the raiders era is the G&B and todd's. both were patterned after a raiders stunt jacket. all of us gearheads have our fingers crossed in hopes that that jacket which _ pulled the specs off of is 'close nuff' to the hero jacket. from what i've seen of the G&B and my own experience with todd's, i am one of those gearheads that are eternally greatful for the work of _ and our other forefathers, back in the day

CM · Post by CM » Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:35 am

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that's todd's "standard". the "custom" is $499 and worth every dime imo. also my opinion, wested's raiders jacket is a simplified LC jacket. ie - these are the patterns that peter kept records of (someone correcty me if i'm wrong...er...._?). peter's LC and prototype CS jackets are the real deal for us stitch nazis as i see these jackets having the correct pedigree...and/or proposed pedigree.

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My Wested LC and the ones I have seen here look nothing like the movie version. The cut and the pockets are way off. Magnoli does the best LC. I guess the patterns Peter had are lost. The suggestions given to Peter has resulted in his Raiders looking a lot more like the film version. His CS jacket looks pretty good to me.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:13 am

So Peter needs to get ahold of a Todd's and re-copy it.

Simple. Then we'll have the so-called best looking Raiders jacket by the original maker. That should make people happy, right?

Anderson · Post by **Anderson** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:51 pm

From what I understand, Peter and Todd had a bit of a falling out a year ago on the boards. I don't know if they've made amends since, but don't get your hopes up on peter taking Todd's patterns

Shawnkara · Post by **Shawnkara** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:24 am

I'm ordering a jacket from Todd soon, and to my eye it's the only Raiders jacket ever made that's accurate. I've owned 5 Wested jackets,a G&B goat, a USW and what I believe was an Aero version (got that from _). NONE of those jackets ever looked right to me, not even the coveted G&B.

There's one critical point that will draw my eye instantly: yoke design. The Raiders jacket had a high, narrow yoke. The pleats actually crested the curve of Ford's shoulders by a couple inches. ALL of the other Indy jackets I've owned had that d**n wide yoke that placed the top of the pleats level with the arm pits. It's inaccurate, non-functional and looks silly. Those pleats are there to open up and accommodate the forward rolling motion of the shoulder as the arm is extended. They're useless if they stop at the armpit. And did I mention they look silly?

Todd's is the only jacket I've ever seen that's actually gotten this very critical point right.

WeeMadHamish · Post by **WeeMadHamish** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:53 pm

I pointed out the "engineering flaw" in the yoke/pleat arrangement once before and got my head bitten off for it by the Wested groupies.

Glad someone else recognizes it too. Heck, the action pleats in some cuts of leather jackets run all the way to the shoulder seam. It's supposed to be there to ease the strain across the shoulder blades (a trouble area on just about everything I've worn -- broad shoulders), and being cut at the armpits really does nothing functional.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:17 pm

Todd's is the only jacket I've ever seen that's actually gotten this very critical point right.

Are you saying that wested custom 80s fit is still wrong?

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:00 pm

PLATON wrote:
Todd's is the only jacket I've ever seen that's actually gotten this very critical point right.
Are you saying that wested custom 80s fit is still wrong?

yes. my custom todd's looks more like the raiders jacket than a custom 80's fit wested which looks bang on to the screen LC pattern. IMHO of course.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:39 am

This is very interesting.
Can you show the difference with photos ?

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:56 am

To be fair to mooniteman, please start another thread.

He asked about TN making a Raiders jacket, and a Todd's discussion breaks out....

Yeah, yeah, I know, he asked who 'Mr. Coyle' was....but that was answered.

Let's move this to another thread, and allow the TN Raiders discussion to continue.

Thanks!

Regard! Michaelson

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:10 am

Right

CM · Post by CM » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:09 am

Just why would TN make a Raiders when he already has a film jacket to his credit? Besides, the Raiders jacket is a soft lamb thing - more like a denim jacket than a leather one. Would TN want a piece of that? No, probably.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:29 am

Wested makes CS jackets, so why Nowak couldn't make ROTLA? It's business, my friends.

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:04 am

Indiana Strones wrote:Wested makes CS jackets, so why Nowak couldn't make ROTLA? It's business, my friends.

Well, given that Tony makes darn good jackets, I can't see why not.....but I wonder how SA it would be.......if he were to do so, he probably needs to get a good Raiders pattern from somewhere and charge far less than his CS jackets since he's not the original maker. However, I bet he would sell a lot of Raiders jackets given the great word-of-mouth he has received here from his very satisfied customers.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:00 pm

PSBIndy wrote:
Indiana Strones wrote:Wested makes CS jackets, so why Nowak couldn't make ROTLA? It's business, my friends.
Well, given that Tony makes darn good jackets, I can't see why not.....but I wonder how SA it would be.......if he were to do so, he probably needs to get a good Raiders pattern from somewhere and charge far less than his CS jackets since he's not the original maker. However, I bet he would sell a lot of Raiders jackets given the great word-of-mouth he has received here from his very satisfied customers.

but remember....he is charging far less on these CS jackets to us AND he is is the original maker

CM · Post by CM » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:27 pm

Indiana Strones wrote:Wested makes CS jackets, so why Nowak couldn't make ROTLA? It's business, my friends.

Maybe, but business isn't everything - just ask those affected by the sub-prime collapses. Besides, Wested is unusually felxible.

Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:16 am

Very true, CM. Yes, I'm sure Nowak COULD make a Raiders jacket, but would he? I doubt it. He seems very comfortable with his own niche in the market. He doesn't need Raiders/ToD/LC business. :junior: -M

Chewie Louie · Post by **Chewie Louie** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:54 am

I wanted a Raiders, so I bought a Wested. I wanted a CS, so I bought a Nowak. I am happy with both.

Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:55 am

Couldn't have said it better myself. :junior: -M

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:57 am

Chewie Louie wrote:I wanted a Raiders, so I bought a Wested. I wanted a CS, so I bought a Nowak. I am happy with both.

I 100% agree with you.

Prescott · Post by **Prescott** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:14 pm

You could have him make one that's Raiders'ish. Just leave off the press studs on the storm flap and raise the side cinch straps an inch or two. Admittedly these aren't the only differences between what is essentially LC jacket and a Raiders. It would definitely be a hybrid. Anything with more accuracy would require a different set of patterns and a lot of work to get the details just right. Even with those in hand, Tony is reluctant to reproduce what he considers mistakes in the original pattern. He wants to make a jacket that will last with abuse. I also get the feeling that anything beyond mild requests (not the laundry list) would probably not be welcomed. After all, it would not be the jacket he offers.

-P-

bobjones · Post by **bobjones** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:30 pm

Prescott wrote:You could have him make one that's Raiders'ish. Just leave off the press studs on the storm flap and raise the side cinch straps an inch or two. Admittedly these aren't the only differences between what is essentially LC jacket and a Raiders. It would definitely be a hybrid. Anything with more accuracy would require a different set of patterns and a lot of work to get the details just right. Even with those in hand, Tony is reluctant to reproduce what he considers mistakes in the original pattern. He wants to make a jacket that will last with abuse. I also get the feeling that anything beyond mild requests (not the laundry list) would probably not be welcomed. After all, it would not be the jacket he offers.

-P-

I am guessing here, but if money was not an issue nor time, then someone could request a modified CS jacket detailing the exact changes to the current jacket. He is a leather jacket maker by trade, and probably gets lots of custom orders.

I would gather he is no different than any other maker, its just a question of what one is willing to spend.

Prescott · Post by **Prescott** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:59 pm

Almost without exception, money talks.
Lots of money talks Loudly.
This is his profession and he enjoys what he does. If you were to approach this as a new project with the funds to finance the work, then it could be done. If you're really interested in pursuing this, give Tony a call. Present it as a new project/order and see what he says. As others have said, he's a great guy that loves to talk with others about what he does. If nothing else, it would be a fun and educational call...

-P-