Whipcraft in Movies

myrddin · Post by **myrddin** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:21 pm

In the recent debates about how much or little whipcraft there was in Indy 4, I started thinking about my favorite movies with whips.

I could only think of a few where the heroes use a whip.

Indy 1-4
Mask of Zorro
Legend of Zorro
Zorro the Gayblade
Man from Snowy River
Return to Snowy River

Can you think of any more? Or are we left with Indiana Jones, (several incarnations of) Zorro, and Jim Craig as our only on screen whip heroes?

Minor list where a side character uses a whip:

Underworld
The Rundown

Alex · Post by **Alex** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:26 pm

They kinda used a whip in 300 for a second till the Persian lost his arm

Jonathan Jones · Post by **Jonathan Jones** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:32 pm

Pretty much any Lash La Rue movie.

Check out this whip action!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cijH24T5b_k

**EDIT**

Beaten to the punch!

TurnerME · Post by **TurnerME** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:55 pm

I hate to mention (as guilt of watching) but Catwoman.

Indiana_Hall · Post by **Indiana_Hall** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:57 pm

And don't forget Batman Returns....

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:30 pm

What about The High Plains Drifter? Wasn't there a gang of marauders who bullwhipped people to death?

kooniu · Post by **kooniu** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:15 pm

In "Welcome to the jungle" (The Rundown) is nice whip fight scenes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P65W4M_ ... re=related

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:35 pm

Here are a few others with various amounts of whip cracking in them that have not been mentioned yet.

Don Q, Son of Zorro (Douglas Fairbanks Sr.)
Zorro (with Alain Delon)
The Kentuckian (Burt Lancaster, Walter Matthau)
Buffalo Bill and the Indians (Alex Green)
Flash Gordon (Sam Jones, Timothy Dalton)
Starship Troopers (Casper Van Dien)
From Dusk Till Dawn (George Cloony, Tom Savini)
Buffalo Girls (Angelica Huston)
Maverick (Mel Gibson)
Wild Bill (Ellen Barkin)
Bad Girls (Madeline Stowe)
Shanghai Noon (Jackie Chan)
Alot of the Westers with Whip Wilson, too

The new moive "Australia" coming out in later this year with Nicole Kidman and Hugh Jackman is supposed to feature some stockwhip action.
http://www.australiamovie.com/

I know there are others I am forgetting.

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:48 pm

In the first 5 minutes of 'Calamity Jane', she is at the bar when someone disparages her. She grabs a bullwhip and wraps it around his head as he leaves the hotel, turning him around. Not a good example in terms of temper control or non violence against men, but there you go, that's hollywood

racerx · Post by **racerx** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:48 pm

hmm,, lets see,, (Underworld)
(Starship troopers)
(Warlock)

There's a few more, but memory fails at the moment, there were also some martialarts movies that used well made whips, not many, but a few

.

Jim J.

Montresor · Post by **Montresor** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:13 pm

Don Adams used a whip in The Nude Bomb

Who has a list of who made the whips for these movies?

Bardoon · Post by **Bardoon** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:19 pm

Alien vs. Predator:Requiem!!!

But it was an Alien-tail Whip.....that doesn't count, does it?

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:51 am

Jimdiana wrote:Who has a list of who made the whips for these movies?

The whips in Don Q, Son of Zorro were made by Cecil Henderson

The whips in Indiana Jones 1-3, Starship Troopers, and Warlock were David Morgan

The whips in Underworld, Indiana Jones 4, Batman Returns were Terry Jacka whips.

The whips in Mask of Zorro were David Morgan, (the big long on at the beginning,) and Joe Strain, (the fancier one with the silver band in the training scenes. (Moderator Addition, Most of the Catwoman bullwhips where made by Terry Jacka though Joe also did a couple shorter versions of the whip for the film)

The whips in Legend of Zorro were Joe Strain

The whips in The Rundown were Terry Jacka, (the first couple whips scenes,) and Paul Nolan, (the 3 guys armed with 6 whips at the end of the film.)

And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the whip from Catwoman, (with Halle Berry,) a Strain when it wasn't courtesy of the Pixel Wranglers and Alias/Wavefront Maya?

Shagbd · Post by **Shagbd** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:53 am

John Belushi uses a bullwhip in THE BLUES BROTHERS!!

RAWHIDE>............. HEYAH!!!!!!!!

giovanniceleste · Post by **giovanniceleste** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:41 am

I remember another two movies:
Ten Comandaments
Ben Hur
Cheers - g

Canuck Digger · Post by **Canuck Digger** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:04 am

Well the non-CG whips and/or parts of whips in 300 were made by... me.

Franco

kooniu · Post by **kooniu** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:19 am

Canuck Digger wrote:Well the non-CG whips and/or parts of whips in 300 were made by... me.

Franco

WOW

back to topik

"Lord of the rings"
"Sin city"
" the shadow whip'' - 1971

"Robin Hood" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoECMo78 ... re=related

dr. tyree · Post by **dr. tyree** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:20 am

Republic serials:

Zorro Rides Again
Zorro's Fighting Legion
Spy Smasher

The Kentuckian (previously mentined) is a GREAT whip movie.
Also, One Eyed Jacks and Broken Lance.

genexs · Post by **genexs** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:42 am

Some good ones, but you boys are missing one of the best ones ever!

"Whip and the Body", a film by Mario Bava, where Christopher Lee puts a whip to very good use.

Here's the IMDB link http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057078/

The whip in the film looks to be a white hide stockwhip.

giovanniceleste · Post by **giovanniceleste** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:54 am

From Dusk Till Dawn - whipcracking scene!!!
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4XyrLr5QY
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4XyrLr5QY

Boggstandard · Post by **Boggstandard** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:21 pm

Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven" (1992): Gene Hackman whipping Morgan Freeman.

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:16 pm

Genexs, I've seen that Mario Bava film, a dark and brooding B grade horror flick. Funnily enough in the same box when I bought it was a movie called 'Circus of Fear' with Christopher Lee also, directed by John Moxey. This has some minor action towards the end, when I think the baddy is disarmed with a whip. An interesting old film in some ways, showing 60's era England.

'Clash of the Titan's, one of Ray Harryhausen's last, or the last, I'm not sure, has a stop motion animated whip in it, done fairly well.

In terms of Aussie films, Tim Burstall's 'The Naked Country' from the 80's (a family friendly movie despite the title) has a badguy ringer on horseback facing an Indigenous gentleman intent on bringing him down. Not a bad adventure yarn.

I remember the real-life ringers I worked with spoke highly of 'the Man from Snowy River' movie. They felt it was very well done, but one or two were highly critical of Jack Thompson's (who played Clancy) seat on a horse, and thought it was a great joke. But Tom Burlinson did a great job.

giovanniceleste · Post by **giovanniceleste** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:07 am

Clint Eastwood's " High Plains Drifter" (1973) Eastwood, Verna Bloom, Marianna Hill, Mitch Ryan, Jack Ging, Stefan Gierasch

John Falcon · Post by **John Falcon** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:43 am

Glory.

genexs · Post by **genexs** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:41 pm

JMObi wrote:Genexs, I've seen that Mario Bava film...in the same box when I bought it was a movie called 'Circus of Fear' with Christopher Lee also, directed by John Moxey... 'Clash of the Titan's, one of Ray Harryhausen's last...In terms of Aussie films, Tim Burstall's 'The Naked Country'...

JMObi:

Ah, the great Moxey, of 'City of the Dead' (Horror Hotel)/ 'The Night Stalker" fame! I think I have 'Circus of Fear', been a while since I've seen it but will have to see it again. I'll keep my eyes peeled for "The Naked Country", but don't know if it's available in the 'States. One powerful Aussie film I did see recently (with whip action) was "The Tracker". It was a rather intense film. Yes, "Clash of the Titans" was the film Ray H retired on.

In the 'States, "Whip and the Body" has a sad history. When it was first shown over here, it was butchered in the editing process by the distributors. They cut out all the whip scenes, rendering the film incomprehensible! (Heh, it was retitled "What?"). Seems the major theme of the film was way too much for audiences at the time. It's good the original cut of the film is now available. IMHO, it's rather startling in its directness even by todays jaded standards.

best,
Gene

Soup · Post by **Soup** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:40 pm

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest?

Nebraska Brad · Post by **Nebraska Brad** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:52 pm

Krull. How could we forget Krull!?

-Nebraska

racerx · Post by **racerx** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:10 pm

The movie ''Drive'' it was a martial arts action type movie , one of the first I saw where the guy broke beer bottles with his black Terry jacka looking whip,
he called it long black and nasty,

.

Jim J.

wearp · Post by **wearp** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:12 am

"Kangaroo", 1952, starring Maureen O'Hara, Peter Lawford, and Richard Boone. I recall seeing this movie on TV when I was a kid years ago. It was set in the Australian outback in the late 19th C., and had a pretty vicious bullwhip fight between Boone and Lawford toward the end of the movie.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:36 am

How about the Jet Li movie 'Fearless'? Though I haven't seen it myself, Anthony Delongis is credited in it, so I'm guessing it has at least *some* whipwork in it? Or am I way off base here?

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:51 am

Nebraska Brad wrote:Krull. How could we forget Krull!?

-Nebraska

Very easily!

Nebraska Brad · Post by **Nebraska Brad** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:12 am

whiskyman wrote:
Nebraska Brad wrote:Krull. How could we forget Krull!?

-Nebraska
Very easily!

Yeah, but I still seem to stick on it when I find it while channel surfing.

-Nebraska

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:32 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:How about the Jet Li movie 'Fearless'? Though I haven't seen it myself, Anthony Delongis is credited in it, so I'm guessing it has at least *some* whipwork in it? Or am I way off base here?

Anthony suggested to Yeun Wo Ping and Jet Li to include some whip stuff, but they didn't have the time.

Instead, the big fight scene is Li w/Chinese Broadsword vs. Anthony with European Hutton Saber.

Good movie.

Tony D. is first a foremost, a "Sword Guy."

By the way Borton, thanks for the clarification about the Catwoman whips. I'd heard both Jacka and Strain. Just didn't know which it was.

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:50 pm

Here's a question: Does Indy have "Whip Craft" I understand that's debatable according to to some

TurnerME · Post by **TurnerME** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:48 am

I was watching Army of Darkness and poof right in the beginning a whip. Just one more to add to the list.

Boggstandard · Post by **Boggstandard** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:00 pm

The Marx Brothers' "Night at the Opera"- Il Trovatore scene: brief whip work.

Bardoon · Post by **Bardoon** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:31 pm

Upcoming 2009 Whip movie:

CASTLEVANIA

...based off the video game which you could say the whip plays a BIG part in its story (more so than Indiana Jones) as is imbued with magic to destroy vampires and other monsters and has been passed on through generations in the Belmont family.

Any 80's kids/video gamers should know what I'm talking about.

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:42 pm

'Red River':

John Wayne grabs a short handle bullwhip to use against someone in a fiery scene in this movie.

Walter Brennan also uses the bullwhip in one scene.

Marhala · Post by **Marhala** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:36 pm

In Mexico the very old (1950´s) B/W movies where "El latigo Negro" (The Black Whip, a Mexican rip off of the Zorro character) appeared.

Canuck Digger · Post by **Canuck Digger** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:35 pm

I seem to remember whips in Planet of the Apes, and at least one of the sequels as well.

sithspawn · Post by **sithspawn** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:49 pm

I seem to remember FROM DUSK TILL DAWN had some whip work by Tom Savini.

thefish · Post by **thefish** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:58 pm

I'm about 90% sure that in "Warlock," the 80's horror flick with Julian Sands and Lori Singer, the whip that Richard E. Grant's character Redferne is carrying is a 10' Morgan. I've watched the movie a couple times trying to get a good look, and I've managed to see a couple publicity stills of Richard, and it looks like a WELL USED 450 series, (and when I say "well used," I mean beat to heck, because it's obvious NO ONE showed Richard how to crack it properly.)

I've also read from a couple fairly solid sources that there won't be whips in "Castlevania," and if they do appear, they will be VERY minimal, (and you have NO idea how upset THAT makes me.)

I thought the whip in Dead Man's Chest was BRILLIANTLY rendered. It was a piece of bullwhip kelp, which you can actually crack if it hasn't dried out. I was VERY impressed with that little detail. I was also impressed that for the scenes with the kelp whip in that, it's obviously that they motion tracked a REAL WHIP, because the motion is SPOT ON.

And don't knock Krull, man! I loved that movie as a kid!

(EDITED TO ADD: Yeah, there's some whip stuff by Savini in "From Dusk Till Dawn." That's Tom's personal whip, too. I THINK it's either from Axel Wright or Vic Tella. I'm not sure.)

sithspawn · Post by **sithspawn** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:41 am

thefish wrote:
(EDITED TO ADD: Yeah, there's some whip stuff by Savini in "From Dusk Till Dawn." That's Tom's personal whip, too. I THINK it's either from Axel Wright or Vic Tella. I'm not sure.)

In '98 I was working Halloween Horror Nights at Universal Orlando as a makeup artist and met Savini. He was hanging with the makeup guys in between the BiLL and Ted show. His girl friend had her REAL Zorro whip given to her by Anhony Hopkins. Tom let me take it for a spin.

Andymac84 · Post by **Andymac84** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:10 am

Don't forget Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman in Batman Returns.

Magno · Post by **Magno** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:16 am

Australia comes out Tomorrow, but I think it might be a little more Stockmen-oriented (i.e. boring horesback herding stuff

)

myrddin · Post by **myrddin** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:11 am

Magno wrote:Australia comes out Tomorrow, but I think it might be a little more Stockmen-oriented (i.e. boring horesback herding stuff )

Hey, don't knock the horseback whip cracking action.

If I had a horse, you can but your coil of kangaroo hide I'd be cracking from the saddle.

Canuck Digger · Post by **Canuck Digger** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:42 pm

Well I saw Australia and there is a lot of stockwhip action but, and this is my only gripe about it, and it may in fact be due to the theatre in which I saw the film but, the sound of the whips was awful! I mean we could hear the "swoosh" of the thong cutting through the air, but not the actual crack... I don't know if the sound guy didn't know enough about whips to understand the difference or if the filmakers thought that the sound of the crack would confuse people into thinking it wa a riffle going off, but it sounded like half a whip to me. Has anyone else noticed the same thing?

FloatinJoe · Post by **FloatinJoe** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:45 am

thefish wrote:
Castor Dioscuri wrote:How about the Jet Li movie 'Fearless'? Though I haven't seen it myself, Anthony Delongis is credited in it, so I'm guessing it has at least *some* whipwork in it? Or am I way off base here?
Anthony suggested to Yeun Wo Ping and Jet Li to include some whip stuff, but they didn't have the time.

Instead, the big fight scene is Li w/Chinese Broadsword vs. Anthony with European Hutton Saber.

If I remember correctly from my conversation with Anthony, he was brought on for the role because they were looking for someone proficient with both swords and whips. There was supposed to be a whip fight in the film, but it wasn't filmed. I'm not sure how much of it was even scripted.

Oh, and on the topic of who made these whips, the Catwoman whips in Batman Returns were supposedly made by David Morgan.

Mike

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:30 pm

I've always been under the impression it was an early Jacka.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nMBctwg2do

FloatinJoe · Post by **FloatinJoe** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:58 pm

According to David Morgan's website:

What whips were used in Batman Returns?
Our Australian bullwhips, No. 451C Bullwhip, 6 ft and No. 453C Bullwhip, 8 ft, were supplied for Batman Returns. The whips were dyed black by the studio. The 8 foot length was preferred for most stunts.

That's all I can give you for source info. In doing some digging on the models, it turns out that these are Terry Jacka whips that David carries. He must have just been the supplier. Sorry about the mistake, I always thought that David made and supplied them, not just supplied.

Mike

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