Was the Smithsonian jacket actually in the movie or...

CM · Post by CM » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:35 am

I hope you're right - that would be exciting.

Cheers

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:14 am

ohh those are the same jackets.I'm pretty sure

bests
Holt

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:28 am

No doubt here.

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:34 am

How much do you think that jacket will go at auction?......I heard that an Elvis Presly jumpsuit recently sold at an estimated $1.2 million!

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:58 am

PSBIndy wrote:How much do you think that jacket will go at auction?......I heard that an Elvis Presly jumpsuit recently sold at an estimated $1.2 million!

Not that much because its not actually a screenused item. But My guess would be a 5 number figure no doubt.

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:14 am

Dutch_jones wrote: Not that much because its not actually a screenused item.

Why you write this? The jacket IS A SCREENUSED ITEM! And A HERO JACKET TOO! Please watch the movie!

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:31 am

what.whait...

the jacket is not seen on screen...I went thru some hard time watching the LC movie in very slow stills when the jacket was on screen...and I am sorry to say the smithsonian jacket is not seen on screen...only the hero jacket.

but the smithsonian jacket is worn by Ford..but not in the film

Holt

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:33 am

Holt, do you bet one of your jackets?

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:36 am

yep

I cant say 100% for sure but after many hours of watching the film I didnt bother anymore.I looked for every distressing detail on the smithsonian jacket to match the film jacket...and I couldnt find anything that matches these

bests
Holt

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:39 am

Indiana Strones wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote: Not that much because its not actually a screenused item.
Why you write this? The jacket IS A SCREENUSED ITEM! And A HERO JACKET TOO! Please watch the movie!

_ wrote:The jacket in the display was not ever used during production. In fact, when the donation was made, they pulled the jacket from the archives and it had not even been distressed. Somebody from the property room did it with sandpaper and they shipped it off to Washington...

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:39 am

Ok, I will send you by PM my address for sending the jacket: you choose which one! Let me see if you are a one word man!

The jacket was used in the canyon scene, Look at these dvd snapshots. Look the collar absolutely no doubt!

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:20 pm

me and my big mouth.....now I ow you a jacket....hahaha

in my defense I did the studying 3 am at night...so I was a bit tired...

this seals it...the smithsonian jacket wa used in the movie.

this is great news!!

thanks
Holt

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:29 pm

Holty, holty... I think it's time for a new pair of glasses!

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:57 pm

I can add that the jacket is used in ALL THE TANK FIGHTING SCENE. Watch closely to believe!!

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:31 pm

The jacket in the display was not ever used during production. In fact, when the donation was made, they pulled the jacket from the archives and it had not even been distressed. Somebody from the property room did it with sandpaper and they shipped it off to Washington...

I am not even a goob when it comes to the origin of the jacket, and the
history of where the production jackets ended up, but it sure looks to me
like the jacket in the Smithsonian matches exactly to what is shown in
some of the screen captures posted from the movie, and production still
shot.

Flathead

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:58 pm

Put a fork in it, this one's done. That is the same jacket. Nice detective work.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:06 pm

Nah, it's all photo shopped...

I'll be hiding under the Plymouth if anyone's looking for me.

Regards! Michaelson

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:13 pm

Indiana Strones wrote:I can add that the jacket is used in ALL THE TANK FIGHTING SCENE. Watch closely to believe!!

Look:

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:18 pm

HOW did I not see this?????

I must have been really tired...I mean REALLY...i fact...when I think about it...maby I was a sleep when I was watching LC in stills.

great work!

bests
Holt

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:24 pm

Holt,

Before you send your order in. I'm certain it isn't black, it looks like it might be a satin or nylon but it looks brown to me, from that and also a lot of the hi res shots we've seen. I know Peter says they were all cotton, but it looks pretty shiny on most shots!

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:38 pm

As a casual observer, KT, shiny or not, I'd still be surprised if that lining used in the LC jacket were not cotton, considering how much Ford HATED the nylon blend lining in the Cooper he wore in TofD.

I'd personally doubt he'd wear a satin lined Wested in all those desert shots...at least for very long. He's even seen wearing the jacket in production stills between shots, so the jacket must have been at least tolerable. Only cotton allows that, in my opinion.

Like I said, though, just an observation.

Regards! Michaelson

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:53 pm

Michaelson wrote:As a casual observer, KT, shiny or not, I'd still be surprised if that lining used in the LC jacket were not cotton, considering how much Ford HATED the nylon blend lining in the Cooper he wore in TofD.

I'd personally doubt he'd wear a satin lined Wested in all those desert shots...at least for very long. He's even seen wearing the jacket in production stills between shots, so the jacket must have been at least tolerable. Only cotton allows that, in my opinion.

Like I said, though, just an observation.

Regards! Michaelson

It does fly in the face of what we've heard. Perhaps it was one of those shiny cottons, mercurised maybe. It could just be a trick of the light.

I know that Bernie insisted on a man made fibre for his samples from Peter for CS because of all that water. Maybe the Nowak owners can pipe up as to what the lining of that jacket ended up as.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:05 pm

well I just watched the tank scene again...and yes the smithsonian jacket is a HERO jacket.it's worn almost in the half of the film.

bests
Holt

Chewie Louie · Post by **Chewie Louie** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:46 pm

Interesting thread. However, I'm having a hard time believing that that is Ford on the left. I mean, look at the size of the schnoze in that pic.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:51 pm

that is ford

look at the ears.you know that all ears are unic....they are like fingerprints

bests
Holt

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:00 pm

and it is worn in the motorcycle scene...wow I am starting to believe that it is worn thru the hole movie...

bests
Holt

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:00 am

Indiana Holt wrote:I am starting to believe that it is worn thru the whole movie...

Yes, I obiouvsly agree with you.

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:09 am

and it is worn in the motorcycle scene...wow I am starting to believe that it is worn thru the hole movie...

Boy, you really must have been asleep thru most of the movie when you
said this initially:

the jacket is not seen on screen...I went thru some hard time watching the LC movie in very slow stills when the jacket was on screen...and I am sorry to say the smithsonian jacket is not seen on screen...only the hero jacket.

but the smithsonian jacket is worn by Ford..but not in the film

Holt

You shouldn't watch any more movies at 3 am!!

Flathead

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:19 am

Studying screen used jackets is not for all. Please leave this to professionals!

Post by **Holt** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:38 am

Indiana Strones wrote:Studying screen used jackets is not for all. Please leave this to professionals!

funny

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:14 am

Here's pictures of the lining from a different Last Crusade jacket that came up for auction several years ago-

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:11 am

Very good pics Mechanic: all cotton lining!

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:19 am

Indiana Strones wrote:Very good pics Mechanic: all cotton lining!

It is, but that jacket is the 'Kurtz' jacket, made after the movie was made. A promotional jacket.

The hero jacket DOES have a leather collar stand.

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:24 am

You're right, it is the Kurtz jacket with cotton lining. From those screen caps the hero jacket looks like it had some sort of rayon or acetate lining.

Oh by the way, how did the Kurtz jacket get all beat up on the inside like that? The right armpit lining is torn apart.

Fortune and Glory · Post by **Fortune and Glory** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:12 pm

I do wish _ would stop by this thread. That definitely seems to be a screen used jacket, which goes against what was perceived as fact for so long. Which is not at all uncommon around these parts, but an interesting development to say the least.

I'm not as convinced that's Ford on the left of that picture. He and his stuntman looked very much alike during LC, and the profile is truly odd. Be easier if we could see his chin/scar.

Either way, it seems extremely likely that jacket was in fact in the film...

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:51 pm

That's definitely Ford in that photo. The ears, the chin, the hair. The only reason the nose looks weird is because there's a fold in the paper running right through the nose. Also those 2 pictures are from slightly different angles. One is a dead on profile, the other he's looking slightly away.

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:09 pm

wrong forum I know, but I just did a second look.. I don't think those are the same hats.. the one on the left isn't turned

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:19 pm

Yeah, the bow placement looks different too. Same jacket though!

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:21 pm

absolutely

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:28 pm

Yes, two different hats.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:10 pm

yeah but remeber guys there wasnt only ONE hat in the movie...

I dont know but I think there was 15 of them...

Holt

Cowboy · Post by **Cowboy** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:03 pm

Piers wrote:wrong forum I know, but I just did a second look.. I don't think those are the same hats.. the one on the left isn't turned

Looks llike Ford....but the nose does look bigger. Hmmm

http://www.vicarmstrong.com/wordpress/w ... ic_in1.JPG

Pictures of Ford and Armstrong side by side
http://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/content/ ... ture.shtml

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:06 am

The guy in the photo is Mr. Harrison Ford. In the second pic the nose seems smaller, that's due to the light.

YARVTON · Post by **YARVTON** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:56 am

It's the LENS!

Indiana Strones · Post by **Indiana Strones** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:15 pm

Yes, the lens also.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:16 pm

It's the PAGE CREASE!

Post by **Holt** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:10 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:It's the PAGE CREASE!

thats exacly what it is...I used to be a printer and work with magazines...and you wouldnt believe how things look different when faces end up in a crease of the spread..

holt

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:00 pm

That's exactly what I said 12 posts ago...

Was the Smithsonian jacket actually in the movie or...

What happened to his NOSE?