New gun?

Magnum · Post by **Magnum** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 1:47 pm

Since Indy's gun of choice has varried with each film, and he was only known to carry a back-up piece in Raiders, what kind of gun do you think he will carry in Indy IV? Do remember that this is the 1950's timeframe and he seems partial to revolvers as his holstered weapon. So what do you think it will be and from what manufacturer (either foreign or domestic)? Thanks.

Marcus Brody · Post by **Marcus Brody** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:40 pm

I see Indy using shoulder holsters this time, and akimbo pistols (double pistols). Who knows what gun, but probably automatics. Either Browning HPs, or m1911s since those are always common pistols in movies.

skywlkr · Post by **skywlkr** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 8:20 pm

I would have to agree with Indy using either the Browning Hp or the 1911, although the 1911 seems like the more prefered prop gun in Hollywood than the BHP. I don't know about two shoulder holsters though. I could see Indy with one, but not two.

Magnum · Post by **Magnum** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 12:19 am

Personally, I can't see Indy with any shoulder holsters. Shoulder holsters are not practical at all for daily use except as a tanker or military helicopter pilot. And even though the 1911 and Browning HP were all around the world during the first three movies, Indy is still carrying a revolver as his holstered weapon. Thus he is a revolver guy and will probably stick with a revolver as his main gun. I mean, we don't want Indy to turn into a Rick O'Connell/Neo in the Matrix character with double shoulder holsters and guns packed every place else. It's just not him. Whatever, just my two cents.

Marcus Brody · Post by **Marcus Brody** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 2:27 am

Um well, you try going around Cairo with a non concealed weapon nowadays. I really think he needs shoulder holsters when he wants to wear his gear but keep his weapons concealed. He can still wear his regular flap holster when in the wilderness, desert, etc. Indy does have some sort of affinity for those revolvers though.

Hey how about giving Indy a mauser and a tactical holster that is tied to his leg and belt.

skywlkr · Post by **skywlkr** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 2:40 am

Marcus Brody wrote:Hey how about giving Indy a mauser and a tactical holster that is tied to his leg and belt.

Didn't Mr. Ford already do that for his intergallactic spice smuggler character in three other movies? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Marcus Brody · Post by **Marcus Brody** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 2:55 am

Did I say Mauser? I meant BlasTech DL-44...

Magnum · Post by **Magnum** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 3:08 pm

HAHAH! Ya, Indy should carry Han's gun belt from Star Wars. It could be another Lucas Star Wars throwback in the trilogy. Just kidding. Anyway, you are right, Indy would not be carrying a gun around the world as easily nowadays, but there is still hope in the 1950's. I am just very partial to Indy's look as we currently know it and I would hate to see it changed.

DanMartin · Post by **DanMartin** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:46 am

Smith Model 10

Indy_Prince · Post by **Indy_Prince** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:50 am

I will have to lean toward the group regarding a 1911 .45 but I think he may stick with the S&W from previous Indy adventures and keep the 1911 stuffed in his pants waist. But know all the adventure he will endure the pistol will probably fall out.

Marcus Brody · Post by **Marcus Brody** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:02 am

Yeah, Indy's just one of those heros who are great at losing guns. I don't even know how many times Bond has lost his Walther PPK even though MI-6's amory always gave him a new one (In Tomorrow Never Dies, he actually keeps two PPKs).

Guns do cost money folks, don't lose 'em, not to mention ammo can be expensive too. You don't throw away double mp5ks like Neo in the Matrix.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 12:44 pm

Actually, I'd have to go along with the Model 10, or even a Colt Official Police in .38 caliber. Those were made by the thousands during WWII, and would be easily found and supplied all over the world after that world conflict. They were smaller, and less bulky, and if you watch any of the old 1950's adventure B-pictures, you'll see a 6 inch Colt or Smith .38 special in almost every adventurer's holster, so it would be period correct. Regards. Michaelson

Post by **Mike** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:44 pm

Though I'm not enough of a gunsmith to throw my hat in the ring on what he'd use, I do believe Indy would go with less over more guns. As stated earlier, I definitely think comparisons would be made to Rick O'Connell with a dual shoulder holster, and that shouldn't be since the O'Connell character is more of a throwback to Indy.

Another reason, I don't think Indy would be heavily armed is that it's more in his character to think his way out of a situation rather than just shoot his way out. Sure he's used firepower when needed, or to expediate matters, but mostly it's his ol' noggin' that gets him swingin on a whip, riding a statue through a wall or taking on a tank on horseback.

Just my 2 cents.

Mike

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 2:14 pm

Also, Rick O'Connell was a character based in the 1920's, and they DID go heavily armed, as depicted by Rick's carry on bag of goodies, so Indy was even underarmed as compared to the O'Connell character. I agree, he'd be even less armed, but would still be packing something that would not be as obtrusive as a belt carry gun, unless he was out in the jungle again. Most individuals, including police, carried a snubnose .38 in their back pocket, sans holster. Talk about a downer for us gearheads! (grins) Regards. Michaelson

Terryhimself · Post by **Terryhimself** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:14 pm

Indy has always shown a fondness for big bore revolvers. With the exception of the Hi-power,everything was .45 cal. I just can't imagine him going to the .38 spl.. It will be interesting to see!...Terry

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:29 pm

But keep in mind that the big bore was a favorite of the 30's, but was slowly losing ground to the better performing smaller calibers. Even Indy expressed surprise at the 'performance' of the P-38 9mm when on the back of the tank in Last Crusade. In 1935 the first .357 magnum was introduced by Smith and Wesson in the guise of the Model 27, and they couldn't make them fast enough to fill orders. WWII came along, and with the exception of the big Colt 1911 .45 and a few New Service retreads, the caliber that saw a LOT of service was the smaller .38 and 38 special in both home guard issue, as well as shoulder holsters of the Army Air Corp., among others (which if you 'agree' with the YIJC series, Indy was a member of during WWI, and would probably have been interested in their current issue gear during the Second big war). So, with the 1950's in mind, those big bores were becoming dinosaurs and found in pawn shops and as trade ins in gun stores around the world (MAN, if I could only go back for a day during that time period. You could pick up perfect big frame Colts and Smiths for literally pennies on the dollar. Webley's were being tossed overboard in New York Harbor as the soldiers were returning, as they were told on ship that they were allowed to keep only one or two souviners of 'captured' military equipment before landing, regardless of WHOSE army they were relieved from. Most had Lugers and such, as well as a multitude of Webleys. I have an old friend who came back after being released from POW camp, and he still laughs at the number of Webleys that suddenly dissappeard over the side of the ship in favor of keeping Lugers, P-38's and the like as war trophies. But I digress)....that's where my reasoning is coming from. Regards. Michaelson

prettybigguy · Post by **prettybigguy** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:33 pm

I don't think he will be packing twin shoulder holsters either. Remember Indy is an archaeologist first, not so much a profiteer or adventurer as Rick O'Connell from The Mummy. Besides , if he's holding a pistol in each hand how is he going to hold his whip? Personaly, I hope he packs a Colt 1911. After all the scrapes he's been in, hopefully he'll see how impractial a revolver is!
PBG

Marcus Brody · Post by **Marcus Brody** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:42 pm

I didn't mean for Indy to actually use double pistols, just to have double holsters. I suppose he could always his back-up in his bag or waist band though. Maybe Indy could pick-up his own P-38, he seemed to like it. If Indy runs into Russians, he's going to have some trouble with those AK-47s. Those pre-WWII MP-40s didn't seem to work on him though.

IndianaCollins · Post by **IndianaCollins** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 6:14 pm

what about a mac-10

or maybe a minigun.

nah, i'd say a hi-power or a 1911, their more period and classic and indy

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 6:21 pm

I'm going to have to go with the Classic 1911, it's no descript, Generic looking pistol.

Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:37 am

I still see Indy carrying two handguns, a revolver and a semi-automatic. The semi-auto would likely be the Colt 1911-A1, because the guns and the ammunition for them would have been plentiful. The revolver is a little bit different. Indy is somewhat of a traditionalist, that is, he sticks to what works for him. He does not seem to be the sort who buys every new gadget, piece of gear, or handgun that comes out unless it fills a need. Nor, does Indy seem to be the sort who would have a custom gun. Since, Indy has already changed revolvers during the course of his movie career, it seems reasonable that he would change yet again. I agree with Michaelson about .38 special revolvers. These or a .357 Magnum would be appropriate. Around 1950, Smith & Wesson upgraded their revolvers, and introduced their new .44 Special and .45 ACP revolvers, albeit in smaller numbers than the .38 Special. At any rate, even though Indy is somewhat of a traditionalist, some of his gear would have evolved, if he thought he could improve upon what he had.

I hope the screen writer/s choose a handgun logically. It should be based upon what would Indy choose? What would his personal preferences be? All real-life adventurers had different choices of handguns. Roy Chapman use mostly .38 Special Revolvers, while some of his team use .45 autos. Botonist/explorer Joseph F. Rock used two .45 revolvers. Explorer/writer Gordon McCreagh used a 9mm. Luger pistol. Real-life adventurers also carried rifles. Maybe Indy should carry a rifle on his next adventure. Perhaps, a war surplus rifle.

JPdesign · Post by **JPdesign** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:30 pm

I think He would still carry a revolver as a main gun. 1911 and semi's were still prone to jamming in the 50's. He would know this.

MK · Post by MK » Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:49 pm

Marcus Brody wrote:I see Indy using shoulder holsters this time, and akimbo pistols (double pistols). Who knows what gun, but probably automatics. Either Browning HPs, or m1911s since those are always common pistols in movies.

Only flashy cowboys and John Woo characters go for double guns and holsters. I know that has influenced a slew of characters that supposedly can not only shoot ambidextrously but simultaneously.

I do hope they will keep our hero in the real world with plausible abilities.

Marcus Brody · Post by **Marcus Brody** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:17 pm

I was joking with the akimbo pistols, but not the double holsters. I only meant for Indy to keep two holsters, but only use one gun at a time. I'm well aware that shooting with akimbo semi-auto pistols is a pretty stupid idea. Needless to say, I was being sarcastic.

MK · Post by MK » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:28 pm

Oh....sorry. I thought you were serious. I have heard stranger things suggusted here.

Marcus Brody · Post by **Marcus Brody** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:44 pm

Yeah, I also mentioned Han's BlasTech DL-44 with tactical holster.

DanMartin · Post by **DanMartin** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 9:07 am

The more I think about it, Indy's gun choice may be no gun. We'll have to wait and see how WWII impacted him. On the other hand, he may have strong feelings about the "Red Menace."

Magnum · Post by **Magnum** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 1:09 pm

Indy would definitely still carry a gun on his travels throughout the world in the 1950's. The world was a very dangerous place then, with the Communists and other dangers in other countries, and it was needed for someone traveling, especially an American. And even in the original trilogy, he only ever carried his gun when he was in a foreign country with badguys around, as he was never in full gear stateside. So, it is still very plausible for Indy to carry a gun in his travels.

Cooler King · Post by **Cooler King** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 4:45 pm

Either the 1911 or the Webley. the Webley seems to stand out as a classic Indy gun IMHO. Not to mention it's my Indy gun of choice

But hey I've got a 1911 too... Two guns? no, I think they should stick to the regular Indy, PLEASE Lucas, don't try and upgrade Indy too much, maybe a newer gun, MAYBE, but I don't want to see big changes with Indy.

Just my thoughts...

Indiana · Post by **Indiana** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:08 pm

The Thompson M1a1 and the colt .45 are the guns I think he should tote in the next movie.
Regards,
Indiana
PS Wouldnt it be cool to see Indy mowing down nazis with a thompson?

Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 10:33 am

Michaelson's right about .38 specials being in great supply at that time and about the large caliber handguns being less preferred. The S&W .44 special and .45 ACP HE models were not made in large quantities. In fact, only about 1,200 of the fixed-sighted 1950 .44 HE models were made, and only true big-bore aficionados bought and used them. If my memory serves me correctly, Colt stopped making their big bore New Service revolver after WWII. Personally, I prefer big bore pistols and revolvers, but for an Indy movie I have no great preference except that they don't use foreign made guns for Indy. No Webley's, no Mausers, no Walthers, no guns made by the French. Nor do I think trick guns that some TV shows and movies used would be appropriate for Indy's use.

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 6:48 pm

Marcus Brody wrote:Yeah, I also mentioned Han's BlasTech DL-44 with tactical holster.

Hmmm, any one know where I can get that holster in natural brown. I'm thinking of going with the Indy Solo/ Han Jones look this summer.

Starman Jones · Post by **Starman Jones** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:24 pm

I had thought a M1911A would be appropriate for Indy IV, but after considering the environments Indy finds himself in, I don't think a semiauto would be a good choice. Without proper care, almost any semiauto could jam at a crucial moment. Since Indy IV is circa 1956, I would go with a S&W .44 Russian revolver loaded with "hot" ammo. Gun maven Elmer Keith was doing this in the mid-50's to supply big-game hunters with a sidearm with rifle-like stopping power. His work with the .44 Russian, and association with S&W led to the production of the S&W M29 .44 Magnum. Just my opinion.

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 11:12 am

I believe Indy will STILL be carrying his "faithful" Smith & Wesson Hand Ejector in.45, with it's short barrel! Hey, guys...WE all have 1917/Hand Ejector Smiths...and this is 2003! There would be no problem with Indy still carrying one in the 1950's. And, while I do like the sleek Smith & Wesson .38's, I believe Indy will go with the "bigger and better" theory...you know, a single shot from a .38 might NOT have stopped that swordsman in Cairo

!!!! I think he'll stay with his .45 revolver.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 11:30 am

Sure we have 'em, but let's have a show of hands who actually CARRIES theirs on a daily basis? That's what I thought. I pack either a Taurus 605 .357 with Safety Slugs (which would drop that swordsman just as fast), or my Smith model 13, and even THAT'S heavy some days. No, after field carrying Smith N-frames, and Webleys for years, and as I've gotten older, I don't fancy carrying the larger revolvers when I can carry a smaller, lighter weight revolver with as much knockdown power as the .45. Heck, the .357 was introduced in 1935. Why not put a model 27 in his holster with a 4 inch barrel? Regards. Michaelson

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:06 pm

Michaelson, like you, I've carried firearms for a long time (21 1/2 years in the military...a good portion of that in the Special Operations community, and some interesting times in South America and parts of Africa since leaving that life), of all types and makes. While I agree with you that I like the lighter stuff for everyday carry, if I am required to go into harm's way (like Indy does on his adventures), I want something along the lines of a .45 caliber. My 1917 is actually lighter than a comparable Model 27 Smith...and I know I'm preaching to the choir here..because it has less steel in that barrel, and lacks the underlug. I'm not a big guy (5'10", 190), but if I was not carrying a .45 revolver, I believe I'd like a good ol' 1911! All that aside, I believe we are "kindred souls", Michaelson, and I, too, would not feel underarmed with a Model 27...the .38 to which I referred was the .38 Special. In the 1950's there weren't a lot of +P-type rounds floating around for this venerable old cartridge. Good to hear from you!

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:12 pm

You too, Ron! Always fun to talk shop. Regards. Michaelson

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