del carpio vs strain???

crow · Post by **crow** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:16 pm

Hi guys!
Can anybody help me please! I want to get a 8 footer but I can't decide between a del carpio or a strain.

Does anyone know if bernado also makes saddle tan whips?
Cheers!!

Vegeta · Post by **Vegeta** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:25 pm

Ohhh wow......I already have a strain....so I would go with the Del carpio

I think the Del Carpio is more SA....BUT Joe Strains whips are accurate as well. And Joe is legendary for his abilities.

You cant go wrong with either of them.

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:51 pm

I currently own whips by both whip makers and they both make fine Indy style bullwhips. I don’t know if Bernardo makes them in saddle tan.

If it where me, I’d go with Joe Stain. He is a whip making machine and is about a precise as you can get. He is also associated directly with the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull movie.

Anyway, Just my 2 cents.

Dan

Boggstandard · Post by **Boggstandard** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:26 pm

I also own whips by both makers, although I have quite a few more whips made by Joe.
I agree with Bullwhip Borton. Joe's products reflect a level of perfection that is difficult to match. He is clearly a consummate whip maker.

gi_canuck · Post by **gi_canuck** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:29 pm

I don't have a strain so I can't really say, but Del Carpio's is awesome. I am fairly newbie in this whip cracking business, but I could crack his whip right away and man oh man, the crack sounds like a shot gun going off!! It's got beautiful construciton... tight bindings... smooth finish... The weight of the handle is really well balanced and when you hold the handle, you can tell you are holding a very menacing coiled beast in your hand just ready to rash out. It moves gracefully and viciously at the same time... I don't know how good the strain's is, but as far as I can tell, you can't go wrong with Del Carpio's... besides, his whip is also very affordable as well. His crafsmanship is only matched by his excellent service!! Yup, if I am getting another whip from anyone, I'll go with Del Carpio in New York minutes!! Hope this helps!!

Indycraze71 · Post by **Indycraze71** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:38 pm

I have had and still have a few whips... I love my Joe Strain though, the color and his particular feel in the whip make it one of my favorites.

Redinight · Post by **Redinight** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:15 am

I just went for an 8' Joe Strain in Raiders fashion myself... My only concern is the amount of whips he is making because of the premiere... I only wish I would have ordered it sooner... I have been putting the whip off for years...

I am so excited!!!!

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:04 am

I'm thinking of getting a 10' Jacka or another del Carpio. I think Joe's whips are excellent (from what I've seen here) but I'm not a fan of the overly springy looking, wide coiling thong. But I've never used one, or seen one in person. It's like arguing over apples and oranges. All the top makers are excellent.

Vegeta · Post by **Vegeta** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:55 pm

I dunno what you're talking about when it comes to the thong......ALL new whips are "stiff" and "springy" when you get em. Here is a pic of my Joe Strain 10 footer.

crow · Post by **crow** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:41 pm

thanks everyone for your great comments!! unfortunately it has not make my decision making essayer

( I think I just have to get both of them ;-) (I wish...)
maybe I just have to toss a coin.

Boggstandard · Post by **Boggstandard** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:04 pm

Love the looks of that Strain whip.

thatguyno1 · Post by **thatguyno1** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:21 pm

crow wrote:thanks everyone for your great comments!! unfortunately it has not make my decision making essayer ( I think I just have to get both of them ;-)

That's how I recently solved my dilemma. Now just waiting to see which one gets here first. Joe seems to think Bernardo's will get to me before his. One thing Joe is going to do is make his in Whiskey color to be more consistent with the KotCS. Even though it isn't one of the choices on the website he said if I sent a note along with the order he would make it in that color. It seems all the whips supplied for the movie were dyed to match each other (at least in color) by the prop dept.. Remains to be seen if any of Joe's were actually used on screen.

Paul ô¿ô

Bardoon · Post by **Bardoon** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:50 pm

I have a KotCS style 9 ft. from Mr. Del Carpio and a Raiders style 9 ft. from Mr. Strain.

I'm not in a rush to meet the "movie deadline" so I can wait.....patiently.

But I am still eager to receive both!!!!

I had one of Todd's Deluxe whips on order but after reading about the REAL DEALS...I just had to get one...or two in fact!

I've done some mild, "amateur" whip cracking in the past and wanted to use Todd's to use for the basics, but thanks to you all and seeing the excellent work of our whipmakers here, you all changed my mind.

My wallet might be sad, but I'm thrilled!

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:58 pm

Vegeta, that is a beautiful whip! I can see that Joe's whips are absolutely perfect. The plaiting and handle style and everything is perfect. I am just pointing out that I have a preference for a different action (which is OK for me to do). It is a definite quality of some makers that the thong is springier (tends to bend in wider curves) than others.

This is not simply a quality of newness. A Morgan coils naturally in smaller coils, and has a more relaxed thong. Some people like this type of whip best for their style of cracking. The 'loop' tends to be smaller. Others like wider coiling whips. This quality can be diminished with liberal applications of Jay-el dressing (definitely not recommended imo), but in general a springy thong will stay that way for quite a while.

crow · Post by **crow** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:36 am

Bardoon, you said that you have a Raiders style Strain. How did you order that? I can only see the Indy style whip on Strains web. Is it different then the Indy style whip?

Vegeta · Post by **Vegeta** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:12 pm

Thanks for the compliments yall......JMObi, I totally get what you're saying. In that respect yes, Joes whips are braided VERY tightly and are stiffer than a morgan.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:27 pm

crow wrote:Bardoon, you said that you have a Raiders style Strain. How did you order that? I can only see the Indy style whip on Strains web. Is it different then the Indy style whip?

My guess is that it's one and the same, especially since the Raiders' bullwhips were (presumably) re-used for ToD and LC.

Bardoon · Post by **Bardoon** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:52 pm

crow wrote:Bardoon, you said that you have a Raiders style Strain. How did you order that? I can only see the Indy style whip on Strains web. Is it different then the Indy style whip?

Sorry for the confusion. It is one of the Indy style that I ordered from Joe. I just custom ordered a 9 footer. I'll post pics up when I get it.

Redinight · Post by **Redinight** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:33 pm

I have a question... What is the color most accurate to Raiders? I was under the impression that natural tan was... but after looking at the Saddle that seems more close...which is it?

IndianaChris711 · Post by **IndianaChris711** » Thu May 01, 2008 4:48 pm

crow wrote:Bardoon, you said that you have a Raiders style Strain. How did you order that? I can only see the Indy style whip on Strains web. Is it different then the Indy style whip?

Crow, if your wanting to order one from Joe, just call the man yourself. He is a great guy, and very nice to talk to over the phone. Just tell him you want a Raiders style whip and how long you want it and any other questions you have for him. I love the 8 footer I got from him, I agree with everyone, he is a machine. Nice tight braiding, and is stiff when you first get it, but it will break in after many practices. Can't go wrong with a Strain.

IndianaChris

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Thu May 01, 2008 6:56 pm

Quite simply, Joe Strain is the man. I've owned 2 of his whips, both purchased through Western Stage Props back in 2003-04. I was thrilled with the craftsmanship - simply amazing. You definitely won't be disappointed! I don't own a Del Carpio, so I can't chime in on that whip.

I'm still awaiting my Jacka whip... Should be ready any day now... Hoping to get it in time for KotCS...

Craig

EDIT: Ahh, I found a pic of my 2004 10' Strain whip, before I sold it. (sob)

Bowie · Post by **Bowie** » Thu May 01, 2008 7:02 pm

Lee Keppler called Joe Strain the new David Morgan, of course with all respect to DM. He used the same analogy..... a machine

Bardoon · Post by **Bardoon** » Thu May 01, 2008 7:06 pm

Bowie wrote:Lee Keppler called Joe Strain the new David Morgan, of course with all respect to DM. He used the same analogy..... a machine

Maybe everyone should order Strains before they reach the $800 dollar range, huh?

fantastic whip serrecuir! That baby is a piece of art!

crow · Post by **crow** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:22 pm

can anyone comment on the length of the strain handle? some seems to be shorter then other? or is it just the picture?

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:44 pm

Since I enjoy using a whip to use it, and SA has no bearing on my liking or not liking the whip, what are the strengths of these two whips from a users stand point? I'm guessing both are top notch, but is there any difference in their broken in feel and the like?

crow · Post by **crow** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:57 pm

has anyone got a pic of a not brand new delcarpio?

Boggstandard · Post by **Boggstandard** » Fri May 02, 2008 5:40 pm

hollywood1340 wrote: ...but is there any difference in their broken in feel and the like?

IMO Joe Strain's whips are plaited and rolled more tightly than those from many other makers- they can be somewhat stiffer out of the box. Therefore, it can take longer to "loosen-up," or break-in one of his whips.

On the other hand, I believe the tighter plaiting makes the whip much more responsive to me, more of an extension of my wrist and arm, and less 'loosy-goosy"(forgive the technical/scientific language). I find his whips very controllable.

After breaking-in, Joe's whips go where I want them to go and do what I want them to do without suffering from the "limp noodle" effect you get from some other well used whips.

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Fri May 02, 2008 9:46 pm

I've got a DM, braided by Meagan, and a del Carpio. Both 10'. I dont' have a Strain (yet). The DM is more relaxed than the DC (hope you don't mind me using 'DC' Bernardo). I actually love both. I love how loose the DM is. I would not describe it as floppy at all. The braiding is firm and tight yet the thong manages somehow to be very flexible. To me it is an aliveness, but then I like more relaxed thongs, since that is what I've always known and used. I personally used to find 'taut' stockwhip thongs a pain to use, and my first redhide bullwhip handled much like my current DM.

My del Carpio has a tighter, stiffer thong than the DM. Sure, it is new, but I feel this tightness is going to be a reasonably permanent feature of this whip. I also like this firmer thong. From what I can tell, Strain whips are that much tighter again, though I could be wrong. I find both my del Carpio and DM whips to be very effective and easy to crack. Both have good firm transitions.

I definitely don't agree with the sort of negativity one sometimes sees about DM whips being too loose. Some people look for that very thing as an asset in an excellent whip.

Boggstandard · Post by **Boggstandard** » Fri May 02, 2008 11:20 pm

JMObi writes: I've got a DM, braided by Meagan...

Meaning no disrespect to anyone, but either a whip is made by DM or it is made by Meagan. What exactly is a DM whip braided by Meagan? I hope we are not getting into a mode, found so often in the world of custom-made knives, Jimmy Lile or Randall as examples, where one is not sure who actually made the product.

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Sat May 03, 2008 1:18 am

As produced by the David Morgan company. I bought it close to when he had the fall, so that may be a significant factor. Either way, its a great whip.

Obviously I was hoping that Mr Morgan would be making my whip himself (though this was never discussed), but Will was very up front with me when it was finished, and told me that it was made by Meagan. Naturally I was keen to get it, as it was my first new whip in something like 20 years. I accepted, and am now really impressed with it and like it a lot. Mr Morgan is after all in his 80's I think, and must be allowed to braid as and when he pleases. They are a very honest firm, and deserve a bit of leeway. Meagan makes excellent whips.

Whether one wants to buy is up to the buyer.

Boggstandard · Post by **Boggstandard** » Sat May 03, 2008 1:47 am

There is absolutely no doubt that anything coming from the David Morgan Company is of the highest quality. As the very proud owner of 10 Morgan whips, and having purchased a variety of other merchandise from him over the years, I know this to be a fact.

My point simply has to do with attribution. A Terry Jacka whip purchased from DM is not a DM whip plaited by Terry Jacka, it is a Terry Jacka whip.
Once you have had a chance to try-out the whip, let us know what you think of it. And, perhaps some pictures as well.

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Sat May 03, 2008 1:59 am

OK, but I'm a whimp and babe in the woods when it comes to digital photography

)

Let me just clear this up: I have access to an 8 megabyte camera. All I know is that this camera creates very large files. Is this going to overload the webpage? I don't know what to do when people say "reduce the photo" a bit.

Boggstandard · Post by **Boggstandard** » Sat May 03, 2008 2:19 am

If you have a photo editing program on your computer such as Photo Shop or Paint Shop Pro, you can select "image" and decrease the size/file size of the photo.

Or, you can go to http://www.photobucket.com./ and size your photo(s) suitably for this forum.

You should also be able to adjust the size attributes of your photos from within the camera's menu.

Bernardodc · Post by **Bernardodc** » Sat May 03, 2008 9:43 am

Boggstandard wrote:My point simply has to do with attribution. A Terry Jacka whip purchased from DM is not a DM whip plaited by Terry Jacka, it is a Terry Jacka whip.
Once you have had a chance to try-out the whip, let us know what you think of it. And, perhaps some pictures as well.

Boggs,

I think you brought up an interesting subject; I think JMObi has a point here. Can a whip braided by Meagan (or by someone else at DM's shop) still be called a David Morgan whip?

The case of Terry Jacka's whips is different. They are made by Terry in Australia, based on his own design and style. DM simply sells them. As a point of interest, I just got the new DM catalog, and surprisingly, the Jackas are gone. I checked their website, and they are still there, but only in 6,8, and 10 foots lengths, and one length is available only in black, the other only in brown, and the 8 footer is still available in both colors. It would seem DM is discontinuing Jacka's whips...

Back to the subject, a whip made by Meagan can still be considered a David Morgan whip. Why? because it came out of DM's shop. It was made following DM's design, materials, and construction. It was made the same way he makes his whips, using the very same techniques, and moreover, while DM himself was supervising the proccess.

I discussed this at length with DM many times, and his view on the subject was very straighforward. He said "throughout the years I've always liked to have help with the braiding". He would still do all the cutting, paring, and the finishing (knots) himself.

In fact, I consider a DM whip the whip I braided in his shop and that he kindly gave me as a gift. I did everything his way, using his materials, his design and construction, his techniques. He did all the cuting and paring. I just plaited the whip. When I finished the ovelay I rolled the whip, he aproached me and said "I think you can tie the knots can't you" and then he smiled and left. So I got to tie the knots. That whip looks very Morgan, because it is.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,

Bernardo
www.delcarpiowhips.com

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Sat May 03, 2008 7:59 pm

One last little post from me here (since I don't own a whip by Joe Strain):

I realised last night that I had forgotten completely that I applied Pecards to my DM whip more than once when I got it, and 'softened it up' by working it in my hands, bending the thong around to soften it up.

In all the excitement of getting a new whip from Bernardo, etc, I forgot this about the DM. So in fact my DM (by Meagan) is, come to think of it, quite well broken in already, thus explaining the beautiful easy coiling nature of it.

Canuck Digger · Post by **Canuck Digger** » Sat May 03, 2008 8:13 pm

Well I'm sort of talk out of my *ss here, because I've never owned a DM or any other whip, I just make my own. But I do know that a very tightly plaited whip WILL in time, relax a bit and become more fluid. I can also tell you that a whip that isn't plaited tightly ends up feeling like a wet noodle. Now I'm sure this doesn't apply to any of the whipmakers discussed here, it's just an observation of my earlier work. Everyone has a different idea of what their "ultimate" whip should be like and if one is perfect for you that's really all that matters, wet noodle or not

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JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Sat May 03, 2008 8:45 pm

We just need to establish an equally derogatory term for both kinds.

What about 'wet noodle' for one, and 'fishing rod' for the other

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Canuck Digger · Post by **Canuck Digger** » Sat May 03, 2008 9:13 pm

Hahaha, right!

Well wet noodle is a classic by now, as for fishing rod, that reminds me more of a straight out whip... How about... garden hose?

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Mon May 05, 2008 6:13 pm

crow wrote:can anyone comment on the length of the strain handle? some seems to be shorter then other? or is it just the picture?

Crow,

I'll let the picture speak for itself. (this is my Strain from 2004)

-Craig

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:45 pm

Here is a Strain with a Delcarpio- Saddle tan is Strain, Natural tan is Delcarpio-

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TR

crow · Post by **crow** » Tue May 06, 2008 2:46 pm

Thanks for the pics guys! that really helped a lot!!!