New Expedition Arrived - Sizing Info Posted

[kobol]

Good Day All,
Well my new Expedition arrived today and I thought I post some of the measurements I have taken along with a quick review. I don't have any pictures yet and won't for a while since I loaned out my camera.

The Expedition is a size 40. I am around a size 41 chest 32 inch waist if this helps one make a comparison on the fit.

So here it goes.

Armpit - Armpit = 23 inches
Shoulder Seam - Cuff = 23 1/2 inches
Collar Base - Shoulder Seam = 6 3/4 inches
Back Length = 24 inches
Front Storm Flap = 23 1/2 inches

The jacket feels like it fits a bit snugger due to it having 2 elastic straps (chest & top of pocket). It pulls the leather in a little but you can definitely feel that if it wasn't there, the jacket would be even more rommy. I tested this by wearing it with my hands in the pocket and the jacket wants to to be looser but the elastic pulls it in. It also stretches out easily enough letting you know there is more room and leather there.
If I were comparing to Wested, I would say it's a very close match in sizing to their 42R "80's" fit. (I own one of those as well).
So in conclusion it fits nice and has that "Raiders" look from the first wearing. In my opinion the goatskin is very soft and drapey especially compared to my Horsehide Wested. It also has a a definite grainy look with wrinkles already forming. I would say weight wise it's very close to Wested's "standard" lambskin. It's much lighter than my Wested Horsehide and definitely heavier than Todd's Standard. It is also a little darker and shinier than my Wested Horsehide.
I hope this helps.

[Hunter Jones]

Thanks for the excellent review. I'm awaiting both a goat Expedition and a Wested horse hide. This lets me know what to expect, but I had a good idea already. Are you going to distress the jacket at all?

[kobol]

I'm going to to let it distress naturally on it's own. I've been doing that with my horsehide. Our weather here in Seattle is still perfect for it with the cool weather and rain.
If a few more people post their Expedition measurements, then I believe we can have a pretty good idea of their sizing and answer a lot of peoples questions, mine included.
If I were to guess today, I would say the Expedition is a modern size with 6 inches of room and Wested, a more athletic size with 4 inches of movement. This however is just based on my own opinion and observations with my personal jackets on hand.

[Canada Jones]

Kobol:

Just wondering which your prefer, or perhaps a fairer question is, where are you planning to use the goatskin jacket and where will you wear the HH? I am debating between these two skins. I like a lighter leather jacket but want one that is tough.

Hunter - I guess I could ask you the same question since you have both on order - Why the 2 different leathers?

best
Canada

[kobol]

Canada Jones,
My personal opinion is that Wested's Horsehide definitely "feels" more durable and tough, but at a cost in weight. The goat is lighter and I do own several goatskin A-2's that have lasted for many many years. So I guess all I can say at the moment is that "the jury is still out on this one".
Since both of my jackets are realtively new, it will take some time before I will have a definitive answer. So for now I can only go by how the leather feels.
As for my usage, I intended the Horsehide for the colder months and the Goat for Spring and our Seattle Summers (cool in the morning, warm in the afternoon, then cool in the evening) since it is much lighter.

[Canada Jones]

Canada Jones,
My personal opinion is that Wested's Horsehide definitely "feels" more durable and tough, but at a cost in weight. The goat is lighter and I do own several goatskin A-2's that have lasted for many many years. So I guess all I can say at the moment is that "the jury is still out on this one".
Since both of my jackets are realtively new, it will take some time before I will have a definitive answer. So for now I can only go by how the leather feels.
As for my usage, I intended the Horsehide for the colder months and the Goat for Spring and our Seattle Summers (cool in the morning, warm in the afternoon, then cool in the evening) since it is much lighter.

Kobol:
This is very helpful. I like the idea of a leather I can be dragged behind a truck with but honestly think the weight issue is a big thing. I have a very nice cowhide A-2 made by Avirex (from the good old days of Avirex) that feels like it is bulletproof. Great jacket but I do find the weight prohibitive. I also hear that some HH is not very pliable.

I like the fact that the goat is light but durable. Is the construction on the 2 jackets similar?
best
Canada

[kobol]

Canada,
My Wested is the "Standard" model so no gussetts or elastic straps or anything. It also doesn't have what is often called the "80's" fit. I like it though because it is roomier and I can wear a sweater underneath it should the temps get real cold.
The Expedition has gussets, the mentioned elastic straps to help keep the pleats closed and what is basically the "80's" fit all standard. I would also add that it has the "Raiders" look and features all standard without ordering on the custom route as with Wested.

Both of my jackets feel real sturdy and I would give the Expedition the edge in stitching quality. The Expedition also comes with a lifetime warranty.

I guess the leather choice becomes a real personal thing.

I really like Westeds horsehide. It's not as heavy or stiff as my U.S. Authentic Horsehide A-2. I do believe it has an almost ideal balance in weight, thickness and drape for an Indy jacket made from horse. The horse is pliable just not as much as the goat or lambskin I have.

The Expedition goat is real soft, drapey with a nice grain and light. Goat also has an excellent reputation as far as durability is concerned.

But again these evaluations only apply to my jackets. I haven't handled or personally seen any other jackets. And I'm sure that Wested's goat is more than likely different than the goat offered on the Expedition which should be kept in mind if you are only looking at Wested's offering.

One final note to add, is that the Expedition does cost about a $130.00 more. I know I probably just made choosing harder.

I don't think you will go wrong with whatever jacket and leather you choose. I give a thumbs up to both the Expedition and the Wested.

[Canada Jones]

Canada,
My Wested is the "Standard" model so no gussetts or elastic straps or anything. It also doesn't have what is often called the "80's" fit. I like it though because it is roomier and I can wear a sweater underneath it should the temps get real cold.
The Expedition has gussets, the mentioned elastic straps to help keep the pleats closed and what is basically the "80's" fit all standard. I would also add that it has the "Raiders" look and features all standard without ordering on the custom route as with Wested.

Both of my jackets feel real sturdy and I would give the Expedition the edge in stitching quality. The Expedition also comes with a lifetime warranty.

I guess the leather choice becomes a real personal thing.

I really like Westeds horsehide. It's not as heavy or stiff as my U.S. Authentic Horsehide A-2. I do believe it has an almost ideal balance in weight, thickness and drape for an Indy jacket made from horse. The horse is pliable just not as much as the goat or lambskin I have.

The Expedition goat is real soft, drapey with a nice grain and light. Goat also has an excellent reputation as far as durability is concerned.

But again these evaluations only apply to my jackets. I haven't handled or personally seen any other jackets. And I'm sure that Wested's goat is more than likely different than the goat offered on the Expedition which should be kept in mind if you are only looking at Wested's offering.

One final note to add, is that the Expedition does cost about a $130.00 more. I know I probably just made choosing harder.

I don't think you will go wrong with whatever jacket and leather you choose. I give a thumbs up to both the Expedition and the Wested.

Thanks Kobol. Your comments are helpful and appreciated. I see now why you bought them both.
best
Canada

[PLATON]

Good Day All,
Well my new Expedition arrived today and I thought I post some of the measurements I have taken along with a quick review. I don't have any pictures yet and won't for a while since I loaned out my camera.

The Expedition is a size 40. I am around a size 41 chest 32 inch waist if this helps one make a comparison on the fit.

So here it goes.

Armpit - Armpit = 23 inches
Shoulder Seam - Cuff = 23 1/2 inches
Collar Base - Shoulder Seam = 6 3/4 inches
Back Length = 24 inches
Front Storm Flap = 23 1/2 inches

Hi,

From what I know a size 40 Wested has a storm flap length of 22''
I know so because I bought a 22'' zipper to fit on my jacket and the zipper runs in all the length of the storm flap.

What you are saying that storm flap length is 23 1/2 in the FS, makes the FS significantly longer than the Wested and also backs a little my assumptions that the film jacket was longer than the current westeds.

[Hunter Jones]

Hunter - I guess I could ask you the same question since you have both on order - Why the 2 different leathers?

I guess what it really boils down to is indecision on my part. I have a Wested lamb and love it, but I also wanted something a little heavier. People have opinions on both goat and horse, but I really wanted to see for myself.

Also I tend to be, how shall I put it, clumsy, two left feet and such, so I am very rough on my clothing and other personal effects. I guess I'm preparing for the inevitable. That and I wanted to purchase them before the onslaught of orders vendors are going to receive after the film hits theatres.

[kobol]

Platon,
I get the same measurement of 22 inches on my Wested.

Now for some other minute differences.

Wested Collar Stand: 1 1/8 inch wide

Expedition Collar Stand: 3/4 inch wide

Also when hanging the jackets or laying them flat on the floor. The front of the Expedition appears longer than the back. On the Wested they practically are even. When wearing both jackets, the Wested is longer in the back but the Expedition is longer in the front when viewing in a mirror. Below are some more measurements

Wested "Standard" 42R OTR
Wested back: 25 inch
Armpit - armpit: 23 1/2
Collar - Shoulder seam: 6 3/4
Shoulder seam to cuff: 24
Stormflap: 22