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After placing an order in December, enduring credit card problems, and receiving a jacket that wasn't up to par with my expectations, 4 months later Peter and Gemma have truly graced me with a beautiful replacement jacket.
Made from PLATON's TOD specs and cut from Novapelle (thanks for the recommendation KT), the jacket seems just a touch big on me but I am otherwise entirely satisfied with all other aspects.
For my first and hopefully last Indy jacket, I couldn't be happier - save for the fit, which will probably shrink after some exposure to harsh rain, etc.
The only question I have now is do y'all think it needs a coat of Peccards or should I just ride it out and let some natural distressing occur?
Made from PLATON's TOD specs and cut from Novapelle (thanks for the recommendation KT), the jacket seems just a touch big on me but I am otherwise entirely satisfied with all other aspects.
For my first and hopefully last Indy jacket, I couldn't be happier - save for the fit, which will probably shrink after some exposure to harsh rain, etc.
The only question I have now is do y'all think it needs a coat of Peccards or should I just ride it out and let some natural distressing occur?
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Hi Mal. Nice jacket. I've got the same one in a LC style, a size 46 when I'm normally a 44. I got the bigger size due to the thicker hide, which in my opinion makes the jacket feel tighter. The first thing I did was pecard the jacket (1 hour worth of work), then hung up overnight. The next day I wiped off any excess pecards. I love the look. It definately gives it a darker tone, but still shows the distressed look. Also, it makes the jacket less stiff, allowing better movement. I love the look. I'd post pictures, however I have no idea how to.
Enjoy your new jacket.
Jonny
Enjoy your new jacket.
Jonny
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Mal.
I am presently considering a Wested Indy jacket. I have just looked at the pictures you posted and, in my opinion, your new purchase fits perfectly.
I sincerely hope that, if I pick up a Wested, it looks as good as yours does.
Regards.
C79
I am presently considering a Wested Indy jacket. I have just looked at the pictures you posted and, in my opinion, your new purchase fits perfectly.
I sincerely hope that, if I pick up a Wested, it looks as good as yours does.
Regards.
C79
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Mal, that wested is a keeper. Great looking jacket. Everytime I see a Novapelle, man I just can't get over how great it looks. Great TOD jacket, nice to see a different style jacket around here on COW. Good for comparison. I have to get me one of these Novapelle jackets, they are just awesome looking. I can't believe though it took four months to get your jacket right. Looks great, fits well on you Mal. I returned my jacket last month to wested and still no replacement yet. USPS does not even know if it even was delivered, has got me concerned. I tried e-mailing Peter, no response. They are just swamped over there at Wested. Well I will just see what happens. Great looking jacket again Mal, that's it, my next jacket is an LC with Novapelle. I am hooked.
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Thank you Indianachris, Custom79, Tron, Eric, and Whip Crack for the compliments.
Whipwarrior and bigrex, I actually prefer the small pockets and as I remember PLATON was curious to see how his measurements came out. Even Peter called me up at 7 AM and asked if I was certain of the pocket size.
St. Dumas, it's supposed to be an 80's fit, so I was expecting something a little 'snug' that would hug my frame a little more. Other than that it fits fairly well.
Whipwarrior and bigrex, I actually prefer the small pockets and as I remember PLATON was curious to see how his measurements came out. Even Peter called me up at 7 AM and asked if I was certain of the pocket size.
St. Dumas, it's supposed to be an 80's fit, so I was expecting something a little 'snug' that would hug my frame a little more. Other than that it fits fairly well.
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I can fully understand that.Mal wrote:Whipwarrior and bigrex, I actually prefer the small pockets and as I remember PLATON was curious to see how his measurements came out. Even Peter called me up at 7 AM and asked if I was certain of the pocket size.
These are the smallest pockets I've ever seen on an Indy jacket.
Nice jacket though.
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Have a look at the TOD jacket. It has tiny pockets compared to the other jackets! I think this is pretty screen accurate. Only slight difference compared to the Noel Howard TOD jacket is the pocket placement—slightly higher on yours; otherwise very very similar! I want one.
You should use water treatment to pull out the collar so that the points sit way out on the shoulders and pull the right side zip over. And wear it hanging right off your shoulders!
Actually, it's funny, but the pocket flaps on the original differed on each side! The left pocket (from the wearers' point of view) was more angular with less scallop. Dodgy Coopers workmanship...
What is the lining? The original was nasty synthetic material, as you can see in several scenes. I'm sure it would have been exceedingly uncomfortable in the heat!
I'll stop obsessing now.
You should use water treatment to pull out the collar so that the points sit way out on the shoulders and pull the right side zip over. And wear it hanging right off your shoulders!
Actually, it's funny, but the pocket flaps on the original differed on each side! The left pocket (from the wearers' point of view) was more angular with less scallop. Dodgy Coopers workmanship...
What is the lining? The original was nasty synthetic material, as you can see in several scenes. I'm sure it would have been exceedingly uncomfortable in the heat!
I'll stop obsessing now.
That novapelle is really a nice looking hide and the jacket looks like quite a good fit...
but those pockets!! I don't care if they're screen accurate (which I doubt in fact) - they look ridiculous to me. What on earth can you use them for??
I can understand people wanting "screen accuracy" - I do too , to an extent. But not when it's at the expense of funtion. I personally prefer my unpopular, screen inaccurate large Wested pockets because I use them for stuff. Gloves, keys, wallet, a paperback..
Each to their own though. As you only expressed doublts about the fit - I think it looks perfectly fine on you.
but those pockets!! I don't care if they're screen accurate (which I doubt in fact) - they look ridiculous to me. What on earth can you use them for??
I can understand people wanting "screen accuracy" - I do too , to an extent. But not when it's at the expense of funtion. I personally prefer my unpopular, screen inaccurate large Wested pockets because I use them for stuff. Gloves, keys, wallet, a paperback..
Each to their own though. As you only expressed doublts about the fit - I think it looks perfectly fine on you.
I like the pockets - if they're the same size as the Noel Howard pockets then they're correct.whiskyman wrote:That novapelle is really a nice looking hide and the jacket looks like quite a good fit...
but those pockets!! I don't care if they're screen accurate (which I doubt in fact) - they look ridiculous to me. What on earth can you use them for??
I can understand people wanting "screen accuracy" - I do too , to an extent. But not when it's at the expense of funtion. I personally prefer my unpopular, screen inaccurate large Wested pockets because I use them for stuff. Gloves, keys, wallet, a paperback..
I have a conventional Wested and I rarely use the pockets anyway. I keep keys in my pocket and carry anything I need in a bag. Don't have a cell phone so...
Well...sort of. It is a nice attempt at one, same as USWings. If and when someone does a real TOD jacket that actually looks like the TOD jacket, then I'm in. Not my favorite film, but dare I say, the best jacket in the series.At last, a Wested TOD jacket!!
The jacket fits you fine, my man. The sleeves will shorten up with wear.
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Of course, we now know that the US Wings wasn't an attempt at one - it was the one used in the TOD film... Wested has never made a TOD jacket.... until now.agent5 wrote:Well...sort of. It is a nice attempt at one, same as USWings. If and when someone does a real TOD jacket that actually looks like the TOD jacket, then I'm in. Not my favorite film, but dare I say, the best jacket in the series.At last, a Wested TOD jacket!!
The jacket fits you fine, my man. The sleeves will shorten up with wear.
Hi guys,
The pockets in my TOD specs were supposed to go with a size 40 jacket. Not a 44. It should be expected that they would look small on such a big size jacket.
I didn't come up with the pocket size by chance. This size was tested. Someone else, I think it was Indiana G had ordered a TOD jacket previously, with the same size pockets, posted photos in this forum and the pockets looked OK. Then I compared that size to whatever measurements I could take from the various available TOD photos and it was a perfect match. That's why/how I included them in my specs.
My further comment is that the pockets on Mal's jacket are not proportional to the pocket flap. Except of looking small in relation with the jacket they look too short too. And I don't think they were short in my specs (neither on the other member's jacket).
Also there are other inconsistencies with my specs like the fact that the yoke seam is too high.
Here's the thread with Indiana G's jacket
viewtopic.php?t=20106&highlight=tod
and a quote
Photos are missing but maybe if he reads this can post them again here.
The pockets in my TOD specs were supposed to go with a size 40 jacket. Not a 44. It should be expected that they would look small on such a big size jacket.
I didn't come up with the pocket size by chance. This size was tested. Someone else, I think it was Indiana G had ordered a TOD jacket previously, with the same size pockets, posted photos in this forum and the pockets looked OK. Then I compared that size to whatever measurements I could take from the various available TOD photos and it was a perfect match. That's why/how I included them in my specs.
My further comment is that the pockets on Mal's jacket are not proportional to the pocket flap. Except of looking small in relation with the jacket they look too short too. And I don't think they were short in my specs (neither on the other member's jacket).
Also there are other inconsistencies with my specs like the fact that the yoke seam is too high.
Here's the thread with Indiana G's jacket
viewtopic.php?t=20106&highlight=tod
and a quote
So pocket size is confirmed.i received correspondence from noel in regards to the sizing of the pockets on his authentic TOD leather jacket. they are 6" tall x 5 1/2" wide. the indygear site has these speced at 6" x 5", so only off by 1/2".
i've got wested building me my authentic TOD jacket for a premium and a non-returnable status. i will post pics in a month or so when it arrives.
Photos are missing but maybe if he reads this can post them again here.
Peter called and said that it wouldn't be possible to fulfill that part of the request. I can't recall the reason he gave, it was 7:00 AM and I'd gotten no sleep the night previous.PLATON wrote:
Also there are other inconsistencies with my specs like the fact that the yoke seam is too high.
So, PLATON, let's say I were to walk into Peter's shop a couple of years from now and was interested in having the pockets fixed. What specs precisely would I need to provide? What measurements would fix them?
The pockets need to be scaled up proportionally.
Coincidentally I had such a request from another member who wanted me to resize my Raiders pockets specs so to be suitable for his 48 size jacket.
I am looking into it and have the job almost done. It's not very hard to do it if you have illustrator or coreldraw. You understand that not only the pocket size change but also the pocket placement in relation to the storm flap and bottom of the jacket.
I 'll post the results of that when finished and can do a similar job for you.
Just give me a little time cause I am extremely busy these days.
Coincidentally I had such a request from another member who wanted me to resize my Raiders pockets specs so to be suitable for his 48 size jacket.
I am looking into it and have the job almost done. It's not very hard to do it if you have illustrator or coreldraw. You understand that not only the pocket size change but also the pocket placement in relation to the storm flap and bottom of the jacket.
I 'll post the results of that when finished and can do a similar job for you.
Just give me a little time cause I am extremely busy these days.
I don't care how much it's going to cost, I would like to get this thing right. I'll send it back with the specs for the pocket's done right and ask him to take the jacket down a size if at all possible.
But if the idea is to lengthen the pockets, but also to lower their position, how will the stitching for the current flap placement be covered? Won't the whole pocket be moved essentially?
But if the idea is to lengthen the pockets, but also to lower their position, how will the stitching for the current flap placement be covered? Won't the whole pocket be moved essentially?
I just got back from trying on a friend's size 40 Raiders and it fit me perfectly. I do not understand. I normally wear a size 44 jacket, so why is it that a Wested 40 fits perfectly but a Wested 44 is too big? How much would it cost to ask them to take it down that much in size?
If I ask Peter to make it a size 40, then can he apply the same measurements I gave him the first time for the pockets, move them in position according to the new size and have it be SA?
If I ask Peter to make it a size 40, then can he apply the same measurements I gave him the first time for the pockets, move them in position according to the new size and have it be SA?
I just received an email from Gemma saying they won't take it down a size as it would mean re-making the jacket. I wish I could say that's unreasonable of them but it makes sense -especially what with the volume of orders they have coming in now and what not.
Makes me wonder if they'll even consider moving the pockets if I ask...
Makes me wonder if they'll even consider moving the pockets if I ask...
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Here's what I could do.
Based on the logic that the back measurement of size 40 jacket is 25 inches, then size 44 is 27 inches as Mal says. I believe that the theory that TOD was 1 icnh longer than Raiders does not stand. When I scale the NH jacket to measure from collar seam to bottom 25 inches, then pocket size corresponds to 6 x 5.5 inches. When scale it to 26 inches back, pocket size changes.
So what I did was to enlarge NH jacket so that back measurement is 27 inches. The pocket size changed as in the photo below.
I repeated same technique with Mal's jacket and result is pretty close.
So, I would suggest pocket size for 44 size jacket to be 6.5 height x 6 width. The pocket placement should also change according to the NH photo example.
Here's the photos
Mal, another way to test if this is right is to cut two pieces of paper with dimensions 6.5 x 6 inches and place them on top of the pockets of your jacket to see how it will look.
One other suggestion is to sew Raiders pockets on the jacket and make it a Raiders jacket.
Anyhow, here's a drawing showing old pockets (black) and where the new pockets could be placed (red). As you can see, they cover the old stitching quit well I believe.
Hope it helps
Based on the logic that the back measurement of size 40 jacket is 25 inches, then size 44 is 27 inches as Mal says. I believe that the theory that TOD was 1 icnh longer than Raiders does not stand. When I scale the NH jacket to measure from collar seam to bottom 25 inches, then pocket size corresponds to 6 x 5.5 inches. When scale it to 26 inches back, pocket size changes.
So what I did was to enlarge NH jacket so that back measurement is 27 inches. The pocket size changed as in the photo below.
I repeated same technique with Mal's jacket and result is pretty close.
So, I would suggest pocket size for 44 size jacket to be 6.5 height x 6 width. The pocket placement should also change according to the NH photo example.
Here's the photos
Mal, another way to test if this is right is to cut two pieces of paper with dimensions 6.5 x 6 inches and place them on top of the pockets of your jacket to see how it will look.
One other suggestion is to sew Raiders pockets on the jacket and make it a Raiders jacket.
Anyhow, here's a drawing showing old pockets (black) and where the new pockets could be placed (red). As you can see, they cover the old stitching quit well I believe.
Hope it helps
I just cut out a piece of paper and tried it - it is going to make a monumental difference and I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to help me with this alteration.
I am going to get an estimate from Gemma and we'll see how soon I can get this thing on it's way back to Wested.
Thank you again, truly.
I am going to get an estimate from Gemma and we'll see how soon I can get this thing on it's way back to Wested.
Thank you again, truly.
Ok all,
Thanks entirely to PLATON'S efforts, I was able to ship it back to Wested and get the pockets re-sized accordingly. They look great now, if you ask me. It took enough comments from everyone for me to see that they were "too small" before, but it seems that the problem has been corrected.
Once again, thank you PLATON.
Here is the finished product:
Thanks entirely to PLATON'S efforts, I was able to ship it back to Wested and get the pockets re-sized accordingly. They look great now, if you ask me. It took enough comments from everyone for me to see that they were "too small" before, but it seems that the problem has been corrected.
Once again, thank you PLATON.
Here is the finished product:
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