Indy's hat in this scene

TonyRush · Post by **TonyRush** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:32 am

I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere before but I couldn't locate it.

The crease in this scene looks off-center. It looks like it's closer to his left ear than to his right; yet the bow in the ribbon looks correct.

Is this the "Raiders turn" that's been discussed at times?

gabrielle · Post by **gabrielle** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:51 am

The Raider's turn is Ford turning the hat to the right some so the pinch is in the middle but then the bow is in front of his ear. The original hat had an off center pinch...

Argonaut · Post by **Argonaut** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:15 pm

Yeah, but that hat still looks like it's being worn off-center. Could be just a funny angle playing tricks on me, but the crease looks off-center, while the ribbon looks like it's exactly as far forward as you would expect from a turned hat.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:01 pm

Thanks AC I have never seen such a clear description of the turn

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This should be put in the sticky threads in this forum section.

DanielJones · Post by **DanielJones** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:26 pm

I don't know, maybe it's just me but it doesn't look turned so much as his hats right side is bashed in a little more than his right. That's just the impression I get though.

Cheers!

Dan

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:28 pm

Well, I was fiddling around with my hat the other day, and this is what I discovered-
The hat in that picture is an example of a Raiders turned hat that is being worn "off-center" in addition to being turned.

A turned, turned hat.

The center pinch is askew but that is how that hat is being worn in this scene.

If you were to take the hat, rotate it to line the front pinch up with his nose, you would still be looking at a hat that was bashed "off-center". The bow would now be resting just foward of the left ear.

From the front pinch aligned with his nose, the hat would be considered straight; however, the hat was bashed off-center, and therefore, "turned."

The "Raiders Turn" as referenced frequently, is the concept of styling the hat off-center before it is worn. A new alignment for where the front pinch will be instead of the natural line that would run down a centered hat.

The WOS is a turned hat that is being worn centered which makes it look "turned" again.

But, basically this is the turn concept for styling an open crowned Indy: one hat is straight, the other is at a diagonal (turned with a new centerpoint for the hat) below.

TR

Mac · Post by **Mac** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:29 pm

Aeris_Canon wrote:It'll turn up with a similar rendtion by someone else as a "very handy and helpful" (Thanks, "name!") explanation in a separate thread most likely.

Here's one from a while back:

It's from 3K$'s site.

- Mac

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:44 pm

When I had my hat made, I had it turned and bashed, and then the brim dimensionally cut, so the hat has the turn BUT, the brim is in the correct position as well, facing the right way,,forward.

TR

Bardoon · Post by **Bardoon** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:55 pm

For those of you who have got an AB with a Raiders Turn, did you ask Steve to dimensionally cut the brim as well? Does the cut take away from the overall look?

I'm on the verge of ordering my first AB and just want to get all the details I can clear as possible! Thanks in advance.

Step 1 (tomorrow): Cut my hair back to normal from its "long, winter look"

Step 2 (also tomorrow): Order the hat!!!!!

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:39 pm

Mac wrote:
Aeris_Canon wrote:It'll turn up with a similar rendtion by someone else as a "very handy and helpful" (Thanks, "name!") explanation in a separate thread most likely.

Here's one from a while back:

It's from 3K$'s site.

- Mac

No offense but this makes absolutley no sense at all. In the other picture I can at least see it very clearly.

indiana smith · Post by **indiana smith** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:13 pm

Aeris_Canon wrote:You're welcome, Dutch. Thanks for noticing. Guess everyone else already knew 120 views later. It'll turn up with a similar rendtion by someone else as a "very handy and helpful" (Thanks, "name!") explanation in a separate thread most likely.

Daniel, it looks to me that the crown disproportion is a secondary effect of being squished a certain way.

Here's a reverse example (though slightly exaggerated from the days of "fudd") of the WOS crown. Nothing to do with the turn, really. I could be wrong.

What hat is that? It looks great

Mac · Post by **Mac** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:28 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:No offense but this makes absolutley no sense at all.

The photo is out of context and is not meant to explain anything, merely to show a similar drawing in reference to Aeris_Canon's comment regarding "a similar rendition by someone else."

Maybe this will clarify:
http://www.raidershat.com/

- Mac