Flightsuits Dark Brown Goatskin

LJHood · Post by **LJHood** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 10:24 pm

Who here owns the FS Dark Brown Goatskin? How is the color? Is it so dark that it looks black or is it a solid true dark brown?

Also, how thick is the leather and how well does it distress? Thanks.

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 10:43 pm

I just got one of these about a month ago. I started to get the seal, but I figured that almost everybody around here had that, and decided to go with the dark brown.

The leather is thick, but not so thick that it's heavy, or stiff. I was surprised at how lightweight it was. However, it seems to be very strong for its light weight.

The color is quite brown. Definitely not black, but this picture on an overcast day looks black.

This is a picture of it next to my fed deluxe, indoors, with a flash.

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 10:46 pm

Oh, I don't know anything about distressing it personally, but MK has said on his regularguy.com site that it can distress, and when it does, it does so with tan highlights.

I subscribe to the Michaelson School of Natural Distressing™, so I'm going to just let it happen

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 12:57 am

zohar, what hat is that? PBBM?

Captain D · Post by **Captain D** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:32 am

I'm rather curious about the "lining"......I've heard that they use only one form of lining....how well does it feel? Is it like a smooth satin feel that Wested once used?

Thank you!
Captain D

Chamorro · Post by **Chamorro** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:41 am

It's not as "slick." It's seems tougher and it seems to breathe better.

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:56 am

Indiana Texas-girl wrote:zohar, what hat is that? PBBM?

ITG, how are you? Ahem... that's a Fed Deluxe above as noted by the Z-man.

-Sergei

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 8:07 am

Oh my don't I feel stupid.

Can I blame it on a loooong week that hasn't ended yet?

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 10:20 am

I'd agree with Chamorro about the lining. It's not satin, yet it's much smoother than cotton. Feels quite durable, breathes well, and it doesn't get sticky, as satin can do.

I can take a video of the jacket if you want to get a better idea of how soft the leather is/how it moves.

Captain D · Post by **Captain D** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:12 pm

I would love to be able to purchase of of them Dark Brown Goatskin jackets from Flightsuits (perhaps sometime over the course of the summer)

. But, Wow! yea, I would love to be able to see the jacket as you described Zohar, thank you!

I can send ya a tape and I'll pay for its shipping, definitely.

High Regards,
Captain D
p.s- I've been to South Carolina a few times over the past few years...a beautiful state indeed! I can't wait to go back to the city of Charelston...theres so much history there!

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 2:53 pm

Captain D wrote:I would love to be able to purchase of of them Dark Brown Goatskin jackets from Flightsuits (perhaps sometime over the course of the summer) . But, Wow! yea, I would love to be able to see the jacket as you described Zohar, thank you! I can send ya a tape and I'll pay for its shipping, definitely.

Hey, no need for that. I have a digital camera that will take short movies. I'm uploading some, along with some pictures I just took as we speak.

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 3:17 pm

Here you go.
http://www.shackspace.com/~zohar79@shac ... 34_MVI.AVI

http://www.shackspace.com/~zohar79@shac ... 35_MVI.AVI

This is a picture of my two feds (deluxe in front, regular w/fuller's dust, and my wpg bag/strap on a partly cloudy day.

Another angle:

Yet another angle, with the camera in the shade:

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 3:21 pm

I think my camera makes the jacket look darker than it actually is. To my eyes, it's just a rich brown, and not as black as the picture.

LJHood · Post by **LJHood** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 3:29 pm

What are interior leather facings? I here that the FS does not have them although I don't know what they are.

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 4:47 pm

I'm not sure what they are either, so I'll have to let another person answer that.

Could you see the videos? I was surprised at how thin the leather was. I figured it was going to be thick and heavy, but it wasn't. It's thin, and strong.

Cabinetman · Post by **Cabinetman** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 5:41 pm

Well, Zo, I could all but feel that thing. Good idea with the movie short. I just now handled my new Wested goat (the new authentic), and while it appears to move similarly to your FS, it does seem a bit stiffer.

So, for anyone who wants a FS goat vs. Wested goat comparison, as close as I might offer right now is this:

The FS drapes a bit "easier" and appears softer to the touch than does the Wested. Although age may play a small part in this as mine is a couple weeks newer, and hence less wear.

The grain on the Wested is more pebbly and pronounced, I think.

They appear, the way they handle, to be of very similar weight and thickness. Again, the Wested appears just a bit stiffer.

Hey, if I ever get my camcorder card installed in this computer, I'll do the same as Zohar. Hard to say when that will be, but then that would perhaps allow a closer side by side comparison.

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 6:43 pm

I specifically asked for less pebbly grain on my jacket. The only place that has a grainier texture is underneath the collar, but that doesn't bother me at all, since it is never seen.

I love my jacket.

Captain D · Post by **Captain D** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:20 am

Thanx for posting the pics and clips Zohar!!!

I enjoyed looking at em'!!

The "interior leather facings" referrs to a couple of inches inside the jacket from the zipper and collar area of the jacket that Peter at Wested innovated for us Indy fans, using leather in place of the fabric. I hear that, even though this is not "screen accurate," it serves a practicle function.

. So, I hope that I made sense and stated the correct area of the jacket, lol.

Regards,
Captain D

Plynck · Post by **Plynck** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:25 am

Thanks for posting the movies, zohar. Great idea! It's amazing how much a little movement can reveal about drape and feel of the final product.

The movie brings a question to my mind: It appears that the seams of the back panel and the arms don't line up with each other. Is that standard for Flight Suits? Or for USWings, for that matter? I remember reading here that Wested was now lining those up, and recent pictures of their jackets seem to bear that out.

Nice looking jacket.

Best to all,

plyck

Rixter · Post by **Rixter** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:41 am

Yes, it looks to be a very fine jacket you have there Zohar. A great idea showing a few short clips even though I imagine the budget didn’t allow for any dancing girls, but it’s as close to actually seeing a FS jacket move and getting a feel for the leather as I’ve had. Thank you.

It would be nice sometime to see how the action pleats on the FS work and compare to say the newer Westeds for someone who has both, and has the means to capture a clip or two. :idea:

Also, Plynck, if I understand correctly, the back panel does not line up the way you suggest on my USWings Indy either, and probably even a bit less so than on the Expedition from what I can tell.

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:59 am

Plynck:

I'm not really sure what you mean by the seams, but if they are off kilter, I'd be willing to be it's because the original jackets were that way.

I'd like to hear why this is, though! Learning something new every day

Plynck · Post by **Plynck** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:23 pm

I'm sure that I'm using the wrong terminology; hence the confusion.

Here's a photo of what I mean:

http://www.indygear.com/gear/jacket.shtml

Note that the seam across the back comes across to meet the seams on the arms.

Here's a little more discussion on that as one of the modifications requested:

http://www.indygear.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1999

Best to all,

plynck

LJHood · Post by **LJHood** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 8:25 pm

If you ordered a FS jacket, could you request interior leather facings? How much can you specifically request on FS jackets without having to opt for the more expensive "made to measure" option?

Michigan Smith · Post by **Michigan Smith** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:32 pm

I asked once about interior leather zipper facings, and Dave Marshall himself e-mail quoted me $125 or $135 extra for "made to measure", citing a seamstress would have to make patterns for them. I found this difficult to accept, as a number of their other jackets are offered with zipper facings. If it were a say $25-$35 option, for the extra leather, I'd think that more reasonable

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