Raiders Special Offer - Strike Two

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:18 am

Well, guys... I thought Wested had got it right this time, but can anyone tell me if the pockets on this jacket are right?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:25 am

The pockets seem a little high up on the jacket, but not unusually so.

They are meant to be offset on the jacket. Do the zipper up and you will see that they are evenly spaced from the storm flap.

What do the pockets measure?

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:36 am

Kt Templar wrote:The pockets seem a little high up on the jacket, but not unusually so.

They are meant to be offset on the jacket. Do the zipper up and you will see that they are evenly spaced from the storm flap.

What do the pockets measure?

The pocket on the right hand side of the jacket doesn't look too far over?

The pockets measure 16cm wide by 20cm tall.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:46 am

Neolithic wrote:
Kt Templar wrote:The pockets seem a little high up on the jacket, but not unusually so.

They are meant to be offset on the jacket. Do the zipper up and you will see that they are evenly spaced from the storm flap.

What do the pockets measure?
The pocket on the right hand side of the jacket doesn't look too far over?

The pockets measure 16cm wide by 20cm tall.

*Shrug* it's one of those "SA" features.

The pockets could be 15mm (half an inch) shorter, and the flaps more curvy ie scalloped but they seem ok. Your call at the end of the day.

CM · Post by CM » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:02 am

Bad angle - it stretches the bottom of the jacket making the pockets look more rectangular than they are.

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:00 am

The size of the pockets doesn't bother me at all.
I thought the pockets would have been symmetrical though.

Here's another photo with the jacket zipped up- shouldn't the storm flap be centred between the pockets, rather than the edge of the flap?

Do you fellas know if it's possible to move a pocket- to have it altered by a tailor?

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:34 am

Oh dear...I would never pretend to know anything about the jacket despite owning several, and screen accuracy is not my thing...

But that looks like really sloppy work. I'm sorry. If that were mine it would be on the next postal truck out of town.

rbhest71 · Post by **rbhest71** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:35 am

Hey Neolithic, I don’t think so. If that was the case the pockets would look way off when you wore the jacket un-zipped.
Lay the jacket down, zipped-up like you have it in the picture. You should be able to lift the storm flap up and the zipper should split the difference between the two pockets.
Also you can tell by putting the jacket on….(does it look good on you??) If so….stop worrying your self to death…

~rbhest71

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:45 am

Also keep in mind that leather, unlike cloth, does not 'heal' a hole when one his punched through with a needle, so if you move anything, you will still have the tell tale holes left behind by the originally sewn seams.

Regards! Michaelson

Ozraptor · Post by **Ozraptor** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:07 am

Looking at my Wested and Todd's standard jackets, the right pocket (when you're wearing it; left side of the pic) is way off! Dodgy workmanship.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:10 am

Neolithic, it may look a little odd if you scrutinise it like that. But it is intentional. Look at the shot where he fills the sandbag in front of the temple. There a good shots of the left then the right pocket. It is pretty much the way they made it back then. The intention is to have the pockets lined up and centred when the jacket is zipped up as that's the only time to see the pockets so close together. On the screen one the left hand pocket does seem to be a bit too close to the flap too.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:22 am

Whoa, really? Huh. Learn something every day.

Chewie Louie · Post by **Chewie Louie** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:57 am

I just ran to the closet to look at mine. Yeah, yours is way off. Send it back . . . today!

WeeMadHamish · Post by **WeeMadHamish** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:46 am

The asymmetrical pockets are supposedly screen-accurate. Personally, I think it looks shoddy. Is this a feature incorporated into the Special Offer Raiders, or is his jacket just an anomaly?

rbhest71 · Post by **rbhest71** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:51 am

Yeah, good luck in sending it back. I sent mine back to Wested because it didn’t fit properly and got a new one re-cut. It came back the wrong color (Authentic brown) no xbox stitching and without my certificate of authentication!!!! ….LOL!!!!

You may have better luck swiping one from Harrison Ford's closet!!!!!

~rbhest71

Indakin · Post by **Indakin** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:17 pm

yea your right pocket seems a bit weird, too far over id think. I understand that they will look a bit off unzipped, but when zipped together they should be even id think. But im not sure about the SA factor from raiders, maybe there is something weird.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:00 pm

I just took a look at my custom Todd's costume jacket. The pockets are positioned in the exact same place as yours, though not quite as high.

Regards! Michaelson

PETER · Post by **PETER** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:41 pm

i am sorry that jacket should not have been sent out.
The pockets are out of line and I had pulled the jacket out for a new front panel. Somehow it escaped.
Please sent it back for a replacement at my expense.
SxxT happens and we are under severe prsure.
Apologies
Peter

rbhest71 · Post by **rbhest71** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:55 pm

See, the man himself is going to fix it! Never hurts to speak up when you have a problem...

Wested....I think does a cracking job considering the demanding INDY geeks they deal with.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:17 pm

Neo,

FYI.

This is how they align on my current jacket, evenly spaced when the jacket is zipped.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:22 pm

Kt Templar wrote:Neo,

FYI.

This is how they align on my current jacket, evenly spaced when the jacket is zipped.

quit teasing me with those perfect pocket flaps KT!!!!

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:38 pm

Neolithic wrote:The size of the pockets doesn't bother me at all.
I thought the pockets would have been symmetrical though.

Here's another photo with the jacket zipped up- shouldn't the storm flap be centred between the pockets, rather than the edge of the flap?

Do you fellas know if it's possible to move a pocket- to have it altered by a tailor?

Gracious, screen accuracy gone awry, I wonder which fan was responible for that wise counsel. Maybe it is accurate, but I would draw the line well before that.

Someone said their Todd's standard also had this asymmetric feature, I just looked at mine and the equal symmetry is spot on.

EDIT: I just zipped up the jacket like your's, and it's true it appears asymmetric when you do this, my Todd's now looks like your photo. When you zip the sides together one side is brought way over and in essence folds underneath the other, hence the funny look. Unzip it and lay the pockets side by side and it will look right.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:43 pm

in regards to these pocket flaps, it seems wested has made a great number of their OTR jackets with these pointy/short flapped pockets.

when you ask them to do a custom jacket, their pattern goes back to the beautiful SA pattern that you see with KT's.

can't believe platon hasn't said anything yet....we are trudging through his indygear jurisdiction you know

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:15 pm

Strrrrrike two!

Sending it back to the fair shores of England today, guys.

Peter, if you're reading this, I'm sending it back for a refund. I've had two of these special offer jackets now and both have been wrong and I've had to send them back. I think that's fair and reasonable to ask for a refund now. Including the cost of shipping from Australia, it's added up to the same price as a custom jacket.

Let me know if it can be credited towards a custom jacket made in England as I'd rather not risk it again with the special offer.
I can send you the order specs separately.

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:04 pm

KT, please stop teasing me with those beautiful novapelle jacket pics!!! I still haven't received mine yet!!!

P.S.- The vertical pocket placement on Neo's jacket is perfectly SA for Last Crusade / Crystal Skull. I requested it specifically on my new jacket.

CM · Post by CM » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:24 am

They are screen accurate and even some A2's I've seen set up the pockets like that. It's the trick of the pocket flap which makes them appear uneven.

Whether you liek that look is, naturally, entirely up to you.

Cheers

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:22 am

The asymmetrical pockets are supposedly screen-accurate. Personally, I think it looks shoddy. Is this a feature incorporated into the Special Offer Raiders, or is his jacket just an anomaly?

That is TRUE. The pocket placement in relation to the storm flap is SA. The film jacket was just like this. Also, this is how Todd makes his jackets.

Otherwise, the pockets are a little long, their distance from bottom a little on the high side and the flaps are not scalloped enough. But that's a matter of personal opinion and taste.

They are screen accurate and even some A2's I've seen set up the pockets like that. It's the trick of the pocket flap which makes them appear uneven.

Whether you liek that look is, naturally, entirely up to you.

Cheers

That's almost true. In some A-2 jackets, it is the left pocket that is further away from the storm flap, not the right pocket like this one.

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:57 am

PLATON wrote:That is TRUE. The pocket placement in relation to the storm flap is SA. The film jacket was just like this. Also, this is how Todd makes his jackets.

Wow. I never knew this! It really looks weird. It surely had to be a mistake in the original jacket.

When you put the jacket on, one pocket sits closer to the middle than the other- you can see it even more clearly when you compare the distance from the pocket edge to the x-box strap- both are completely different and it just looks like a mistake.

I guess you could call this a 'turned' jacket?

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:31 am

This is the photo that shows it.
Look at his right pocket (the one with the gloves sticking out).
Look where the pocket flap meets the front right panel of the jacket. Now compare with the other side.

Yes, this had to be a mistake in the original jacket.

In the A-2 jackets it is not a mistake because the pockets are equally spaced from the zipper, not from the storm flap. But the storm flap does not sit directly aligned to the zipper so, you get this effect.

As I said before in the A-2 jackets it is the left pocket that's further away, but on your jacket it is the right, so if you measure the distance of each pocket from the zipper it will not be the same.

Another interesting point is that even though the pockets of the A-2 jacket do not appear evenly spaced from the storm flap, their distance to the jacket's side seams is equal.

The trick to get everything to appear equally spaced is that the two front panels of the jacket don't have exactly the same width. It has to be mentioned also that some A-2 manufacturers get this right and the pockets are equally spaced from the storm flap.

Ah, also, if you notice, the pockets of your jacket are centered from the edge of the storm flap. This is the same mistake of the original jacket. Centered from the edge of the storm flap and not centered from the zipper.

So your jacket is more SA than you ever thought huh? (I would keep it if I were you)

Regards,
Platon

Rom Hunter · Post by **Rom Hunter** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:43 am

Great detective work, PLATON.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:44 am

PLATON wrote:[
Ah, also, if you notice, the pockets of your jacket are centered from the edge of the storm flap. This is the same mistake of the original jacket. Centered from the edge of the storm flap and not centered from the zipper.

Not a mistake, the centering on the stormflap is intentional, as is the different sized panels for the front of the jacket.

The one Neo got, is just exaggerated enough to make it wrong.

The pockets are not supposed to be centred on the zipper. Don't start making that mistake.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:52 am

Not a mistake, the centering on the stormflap is intentional, as is the different sized panels for the front of the jacket.

The one Neo got, is just exaggerated enough to make it wrong.

The pockets are not supposed to be centred on the zipper. Don't start making that mistake.

KT, obviously you did not read my post very carefully.

I clarify.
Current Wested jackets have the pockets centered from the storm flap (That is centered from the center of the storm flap). This is intentional, and it is the correct way (and is accomplished by different size front panels).

Some A-2 jackets have the pockets centered from the zipper because their makers had a different line of thinking. They don't think that the front panels must have different size.

Now having the pockets centered from the edge of the storm flap, does not help in anything, so I guess it is a mistake. Regardless, that's how the film jacket was.

The pockets are not supposed to be centred on the zipper. Don't start making that mistake.

I didn't say that the pockets should be centered from the zipper because this is not right.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:12 am

So you are saying that the screen jacket has both pockets centred on the open edge of the storm flap only?

That would be an interesting development...

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:27 am

So you are saying that the screen jacket has both pockets centred on the open edge of the storm flap only?

That would be an interesting development...

That's what I am saying and that's what the photo above shows. I have brought this up long time ago in a very long thread when Todd was researching all info and available photos to make his jacket. The pockets being like that is crossreferenced in other screenshots as well, so Todd decided to go like this for 100% screen accuracy.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:29 pm

PLATON wrote:
So you are saying that the screen jacket has both pockets centred on the open edge of the storm flap only?

That would be an interesting development...
That's what I am saying and that's what the photo above shows. I have brought this up long time ago in a very long thread when Todd was researching all info and available photos to make his jacket. The pockets being like that is crossreferenced in other screenshots as well, so Todd decided to go like this for 100% screen accuracy.

Ok Plats,

I'm taking that with a grain of salt. But am listening.

WeeMadHamish · Post by **WeeMadHamish** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:14 pm

OT, but KT, those are great pockets. Very attractively scalloped. Are they custom, Wested's current standard or just luck of the draw? The look of the novapelle is starting to grow on me. My wife just rolled her eyes when I mentioned I was thinking about a second jacket when it was fiscally feasible.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:09 pm

WeeMadHamish wrote:OT, but KT, those are great pockets. Very attractively scalloped. Are they custom, Wested's current standard or just luck of the draw? The look of the novapelle is starting to grow on me. My wife just rolled her eyes when I mentioned I was thinking about a second jacket when it was fiscally feasible.

That's the sneaky part... they're not Raiders pockets!

Feel free to grab the pic and send it with your order, I have seen jackets with the same pattern and same curvy flaps EXCEPT the centre is pointed not curved. I think it sometimes comes down to the habit/preference of the particular machinist.

Nobody · Post by **Nobody** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:03 pm

KT, so did you request that you pockets look that way, spacing, scalloped flaps, etc.?