Any Ideas as to the fedora supplier for IJ4 ?

IndianaJames · Post by **IndianaJames** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:04 pm

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, (sorry if they have) but do we have any leads on who will be supplying the Fedora's for the film?

Regards
I J

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:58 pm

Well, I can't be positive for sure, but movie companies tend to keep copious notes about costume and prop sources, particularly in the case of a successful franchise like Star Wars or Indiana Jones. They strive for continuity, so I think they'll return to Herbert Johnson for Indy's fedora. Whether HJ is willing to play ball remains to be seen, however. If they give Paramount Pictures the brush-off, then I'm sure we'll see Indy sporting a similar-looking lid from a different manufacturer. We'll just have to wait and see.

-Dale

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 1:32 am

I would honestly like to see Optimo do the film and since they have Road to Perdition (Dreamworks) on their resume among alot of other tidbits, they've shown they'd be right for the job and can definitely pull off the hats for that period. It's what they do best. Plus, as an added benefit, Graham knows just what we want the fedora to look like. The nice tall crown with the RAIDERS block. ( In my best Morpheus tone) Yeeeesss.

It would be so nice to see that hat on Indy for what looks to be the last time. I'd hat to see em' muck it all up with a TOD type fedora and have it be all goofy. No offense to all you TOD lovers out there. If Optimo could score the film and whoever contracts them to do it let's Graham work his magic, I'm sure we'd have a fabulous outcome. One that would make us all smile. The old Indy we all love would be back and in style! Hey, that rymed.

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:52 am

Personally, I'd love to see Joe Peters Jr. do the hats. He can shape a hat based on any scene from the trilogy, he's a Texan (yeah I'm biased there so shoot me), and his custom hats are tough as nails and bulletproof, which in my mind means they'd hold up to a lot of the stunt scenes...the costume dept wouldn't have to go through as many hats as they probably did HJs. (Disclaimer: I'm not saying other makers' fedoras aren't tough.) Just my $.02

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:27 am

Don't apologize for showing favoritism toward Texans! It's understandable. My dad is a Texan and I consider myself a Texan, although technically I'm not (but it sure beats the h*ll out of saying I'm from Georgia). Texas is the best state in our nation, and it deserves praise and recognition. Nobody should have to apologize for greatness! Long live the Lone Star State!

-Dale

Cabinetman · Post by **Cabinetman** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:03 am

Now where is it that I read this? Someone had some insight to this matter, and Akubra was at the top of the list. Maybe it was speculation on the part of whoever made the statement, but I can't remember. I do seem to remember that RK Fisk was mentioned in the same breath - like he'd be real pleased to hear his "best..." would indeed be the best pick, and at the right price.

Seems like I found this info over on TIE.

Yes, more speculative efforts...

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:50 am

Hummm, yes, I also remember that post, and 'Fisk' wasn't the source either, as I recall.

Regards. Michaelson

Dakota Ellison · Post by **Dakota Ellison** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:42 pm

I think it was something to the effect that having made the last two Star Wars episodes in Australia, that the Akubra folks might get the contract if IJ 4 had any filming down under.

IndianaJames · Post by **IndianaJames** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:43 pm

Thanks for the interest! It seems like throughout the films they did alot of their costume contracting through Europe, (i could be wrong).... Perhaps they WILL go with Herb Johnson again. Or maybe another hatter overseas....anybody know of any other hatters across the pond that have been around for a while? I personally would just like to see a hatter that has good customer service, and has delt with the public public before - So when this is all over EVERYONE who wants one can get an indy fedora....Like how Westeds are so availabe to us!!

I J

Michaelson, which hat is in your avatar?

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:44 pm

It's a standard Peter's Bro. Indy fedora. Regards. Michaelson

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:55 pm

Personally, the main advantage I can see in choosing the Akruba is the price, since many hats would be needed for stunts. (sorry RF) I have one, and haven't been able to shape it to my liking (crown being too tall for me). It's in Rundquist's hands as of now to find out if he can do a better job than my hands can on lowering the crown and reshaping the stubborn brim. Just my $.02 (again).

IndianaJames · Post by **IndianaJames** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:19 pm

ITG wrote:

I have one, and haven't been able to shape it to my liking (crown being too tall for me). It's in Rundquist's hands as of now to find out if he can do a better job than my hands can on lowering the crown and reshaping the stubborn brim.

I know EXACTLY what you mean....I had to mash the crown down on my miller, and on my fed. to make it look right with my face. The miller wound up having a tri-dent, (which doesnt bother me) and the Fed still has some kinks to be worked out. I had to iron the brim on it, and Im having real trouble keeping that swoop on the front - which I find odd becuase of the stiffness of the brim.... What size hat do you wear?

Regards
I J

CEEJAY928 · Post by **CEEJAY928** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:24 pm

hmmm, I would like to see a Fed in Indy 4, but my feelings would
be a standard PB.

By looking at pics of Graham's work (optimo), they are beautiful, but will rack up the cost for several fedoras for HJ and the stunt people. Reason why I think PB will get the nod.

HJ... dunno, haven't heard from them lately. Hmmm possibly because they are in the process of creating the lids for the new movie....
dunno,

CJ

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 7:51 am

IndianaJames wrote: I had to iron the brim on it, and Im having real trouble keeping that swoop on the front - which I find odd becuase of the stiffness of the brim.... What size hat do you wear?

Regards
I J

I wear a 6 7/8. I think my Fed is a 54 or 55...It's in CA right now so I can't look and see.

Oh and if they did use the regular Fed, I just hope they change that ribbon! I have a black one on mine and it looks much better.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:03 pm

Personally, the main advantage I can see in choosing the Akruba is the price, since many hats would be needed for stunts.

I don't think they care about price in Hollywood. I can't see it making a difference in their choices. Niether could I see them choosing the Fed simply because they choose to shoot some of the film in Australia. They would just have everything shipped to where they needed it. Cost is no object, especially for the next Indy movie. A film GUARANTEED to bring in major bank!$!

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:27 pm

Another thing to remember is that the next hat is going to be under intense lighting. It has to shimmy and glisten just right. Cheers

indy_guitarist · Post by **indy_guitarist** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:36 pm

frankly, i don't understand all of this speculation of the supplier. why would they not use hj? they used them for the first three films, and as far as lucasfilm wardrobe department is concerned, it is THE indy hat. i hope they use the hj as well. it just makes sense. plus, i think the wardrobe designers are every bit as picky as we are. they know exactly what the hat is supposed to look like so it'll turn out fine. it varied from movie to movie, but it was still basically the same as far as an audiance is concerned. i just don't think they'd go to anyone else. hj started it all. when people think of indiana jones, they think of a hat and a whip. lucasfilm almost "owes it" to hj to use them. just my $.02

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:02 pm

There's no real wild speculation. Paramount is currently looking at several manufacturers fedoras, and no explaination as to why or for what production exactly, though hints have been made. HJ has been so dicey in terms of having Poets available in stock, maybe Paramount has gotten as antsy about their ability to deliver product as we have. Agreed, correct continuity is good, but the movie is going to be set in the 1950's, at least 11 years after LC, so a change in the hat won't be that big a deal, considering the first 3 movies took place over a supposed 4 year period of Indy's life, and therefore the hat wouldn't have changed. By 1950, a full decade later (for Indy) it could have easily changed. Another thing to consider is that the only reason the HJ was chosen was because they were in London to do the shoot, and HJ was the easiest supplier to get to. The prop department really could care less. In all my conversations with representatives of the group, they just grab what's available, and close to the prop list description, and let her fly.After the shoot, they don't even KEEP the dang list! That's what's been so madding about the gear search. Folks kind of remember what was used, but with no documentation, they really can't remember for sure. Sheesh! Regards. Michaelson

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:34 pm

Another point is that there will undoubtedly be a new wardrobe person on the new flick. There was a different person on LC from the first two movies for instance. MK has told me that each wardrobe person likes to add his or her own "personal" touches, within reason. And like has been stated above, we care more about the hat manufacturer than they do. Cheers

CEEJAY928 · Post by **CEEJAY928** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:57 pm

yeah, you have a great point.

it would be nice to have the waredrobe person (whom is taking care of indy's gear) be taking some reference from COW. but thats a long shot,
like you said, people would like to add their own personal touch to it.

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:04 pm

Do I even have to say anything? Other then save the Stetson’s for the extras, the sidekicks and the villains?

One word... Akubra.

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:14 pm

It would be nice to have the wardrobe person (whom is taking care of Indy's gear) be taking some reference from COW.

That's probably the worst thing they could do. We have so many different hats, jackets, and whips listed here that it would only confuse them!

-Dale

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:04 pm

CEEJAY928 wrote:yeah, you have a great point.

it would be nice to have the waredrobe person (whom is taking care of indy's gear) be taking some reference from COW. but thats a long shot,
like you said, people would like to add their own personal touch to it.

I meant that nobody really cares who makes the hat (except us). I didn't mean that they would take pointers from us. I don't think that they really care about what we think either. We gearheads are a very small fraction of the Indiana Jones fan populace. Cheers

CEEJAY928 · Post by **CEEJAY928** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:42 pm

oppps

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:44 pm

CEEJAY928 wrote:oppps

It's cool.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:35 am

I agree - years ago when I purchased my HJ they were a little bit, shall we say, less than happy to hear from me. I was polite and articulate, but I got the impression that Swales was thinking, "Oh great, another one..."

Well, if they can afford to give up the lucrative contract for IJIV, which I'm sure they can, they may be afraid of the deluge of calls & orders from us folks looking for the hat.

Which has occurred to me on several occasions - won't it be cool to source out the same items that were actually used in the films, and not just reproductions? Ah, the internet.

Any thoughts on my HJ theory?

How about Lee? He deserves to have his hats in a movie after all he's done for the hobby.

Cheers,
Cassidy

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:27 pm

My money says a Deluxe Federation.

Fedora

Dakota Ellison · Post by **Dakota Ellison** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 1:00 pm

If they use studios in England, my money says HJ. If they use US studios, who knows? If Australia, Fed Deluxe.

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 1:52 pm

I'm sure it will be the most coveted, the most treasured fedora of all......

The Stetson Temple!

Kidding!

I'd love to see Joe Jr get the nod from Lucasfilm, I love his fedoras!

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:13 pm

Fedora wrote:My money says a Deluxe Federation. Fedora

Hmmm...is there something you know that we don't?

(I wish my winkie smilie would wink like the cheesy smilie's smile

)

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:19 pm

Nah, it's just a guess. Like Dakota said, it just depends on where they are at the time. Fedora

GoldenHistorian · Post by **GoldenHistorian** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:10 pm

i am from the future.
i think its gonna be a adventurebuilt and i think you are gonna be making them with marc for the new move.
nice work!

now i have to get back to my De lorean.

Spatterdash · Post by **Spatterdash** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:12 pm

Vindy · Post by **Vindy** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:33 pm

Yes, bravo

Piker · Post by **Piker** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:00 pm

A real Archeologist's score.

Vegeta · Post by **Vegeta** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:37 pm

I thought it was a joke when I saw the title......Then I realized how old it was.

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:55 pm

Wow, how much things change in 5 years...

Mark Brody · Post by **Mark Brody** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:47 pm

Giben wrote:i am from the future.

now i have to get back to my De lorean.

Kittlemeier · Post by **Kittlemeier** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:06 am

whipwarrior wrote:Don't apologize for showing favoritism toward Texans! It's understandable. My dad is a Texan and I consider myself a Texan, although technically I'm not (but it sure beats the h*ll out of saying I'm from Georgia). Texas is the best state in our nation, and it deserves praise and recognition. Nobody should have to apologize for greatness! Long live the Lone Star State!

-Dale

<-----Nice.

indy89 · Post by **indy89** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:39 am

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:19 am

i think its gonna be a adventurebuilt and i think you are gonna be making them with marc for the new move.

Adventurewhat???!!! And Steve and me making hats for the movie?!?

Seriously that's gotta be the most redicilious posting I've ever read in here. What's next? Us sourcing the original ribbon supplier, selling shirts, holsters, bagstraps and gunbelts using the original buckle supplier? C'mone, you could as well start telling me that one day I'll get Alden to make the Indy boot as it was made back then. This is just SO freakin' impossible that even Hollywood couldn't sell the story

Regards,

Marc

VP · Post by VP » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:25 am

Marc wrote:gunbelts

Pics?

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:21 pm

Hey! I can't take pictures of what will happen yet NOW

Regards,

Marc

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:19 pm

I'm thinking Ab pants is next.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:55 pm

When will then be now?

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:06 pm

Soon.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:07 pm

Good man!

Piker · Post by **Piker** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:03 pm

AB pants?

Why? Is he out of breath??

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:58 pm

Well... I've been contacted about the pants by a fellow gearhead, who had some really good ideas. However, right now I don't have the time nor possibilities to follow these ideas to an end.

See, Steve and I have only been looking into things that we couldn't get elsewhere the way WE wanted them to be. If we could have gotton the hat that we desired elsewhere, we wouldn't have made them ourselves. Same with the holsters, the shirts, the bagstrap buckles and gunbelts and the boot. With that said, there are PLENTY of GREAT opportunities out there, be it off the rack or custom made. And honestly I am happy that this is the case. The reasons for gearheads to buy gear are as multiple as the indeviduals who do so. It would be impossible to please everyone and that's why I'm happy to see good alternatives (with "good" being the keyword).

Chris King or Agent5 are a good example: GREAT guys! I love to talk to them on the phone or via e-mail and they are a priceless enrichment for the pickier gearheads among us. However when it comes to "real gear vs. costume" we can only shake the heads over each others opinion

While for Chris and Jason any fraqtion taken away from the original costume is almost blasphemie, Steve and I want the "what Indy had worn - had he existed"-gear

And that can be a TOUGH line to walk. While to these two Gentlemen only lambhide and rabbit felt can be "IT", 'cause that's what they used "back then" (1981), Steve and I want the LOOK to be the exact same but please use horsehide / goatskin and pure beaver felt so it can actually be worn while being dragged behind a truck

When making the bagstrap buckle, I was asked how I found out that the original buckle was solid stainless steal? - Heck I don't! In fact I'd be rather surprised if it was. The keyword to me was to make it as tough as nails and solid stainless steal is just that: b(u)ilt for adventure

When I saw Kims holster last year, I was blown away about the care for detail and craftmanship of his 100% handmade holster and it had something to it that *I* hadn't found elsewhere.

Ok, I'll get to the point now. Sorry for drifting off topic

There are GREAT trousers out there already. Offered from fellow fans. So far, I didn't see any NEED to come up with AB pants, simply because of these great possibilities. This might sound harsh, but I'd rather pay 100 Euro to get some excellent trousers elsewhere than investing several thousand Euros to have a full load made with the AB label (that I wouldn't know where to store anyway).

Ok, I think I need to get to bed

G'night,

Marc

VP · Post by VP » Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:15 pm

Good post.

It's spelled steel, BTW.

Any Ideas as to the fedora supplier for IJ4 ?

Any Ideas as to the fedora supplier for IJ4 ?

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Regarding HJ...

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