which color is most SA to the Raiders jacket?

[joeyofarimathea]

which color of lambskin do you think is most accurate to the Raiders jacket? im referring to just regular leather (not distressed)?

authentic or dark brown???


Thanks for reading,


Joey(JOA)

[PLATON]

I think that the dark brown is the color closest to the screen jacket without having to distress when speaking of scene when indy gets out of the well of souls, the wing fighting scene, and perhaps the truck chase.

All I see there is a dusted dark brown jacket.

Of course, there are certain moments where the jacket looks like authentic brown i.e. the temple scene and Imam's house.

The leather used in the film was of course closer to the authentic brown but I think that there is always a distance between what the real color was and how it looked on screen which depends on lighting conditions etc.

The same color variation problems seem to appear with the pants and shirt.

But of course, that's only my school of opinion.

[Indiana G]

authentic brown once distressed with alcohol and some sanding will look SA in colour.

dark brown look's SA in colour but in a pristine state.

[PLATON]

I agree with you Indiana G.
The funny thing is that after I distressed my auth lamb it looks darker than what it was when new...

[Minnesota Jones]

Ummm... authentic brown was based on an old leather sample (or was it jacket) Peter found from the original jacket run. So..... "authentic brown" is just that.

Now that said, that's what the color was when made. After weathering, the fullers earth, the lighting on the set.... you get my meaning. However, authentic brown would be correct.

Same debate on the shirt. The Raiders shirt was "khaki" when constructed, but appears "stone" onscreen due to the filming process. So, which is more "screen accurate?"

[Holt]

I agree with you Indiana G.
The funny thing is that after I distressed my auth lamb it looks darker than what it was when new...

yep mine too.it gives a darker shine to the jacket..and especially after applying some leather oil on it..almost dark brown


best
Holt

[Rundquist]

Screen accurate is in the eye of the beholder with regards to color. As has been stated above, authentic brown was Peter’s attempt to give the fans the most “accurate” color based on a leather sample that he dug up before he moved his facility. Now, there is going to be slight variation in color from batch to batch of tanned leather.

On top of that, what you see on screen doesn’t even necessarily represent the original color. A few years before the Indy trilogy came out on dvd, they released a widescreen box set on vhs. The color on this version was different from the dvd’s that followed. The widescreen laser discs that preceded the widescreen vhs set had different color as well.

The color of the gear in the still publicity pics of Ford from Crystal Skull looks different from the trailer. Knock yourself out. Cheers

[Bufflehead Jones]

I think this one is a no-brainer. They call it authentic brown for a reason. It is the authentic color, duh! All the changes that you see are due to lighting, shadows, color timing, color correction and whatever. Put my jacket in those same conditions and it will look the same. I'm happy with that.

[joeyofarimathea]

I think this one is a no-brainer. They call it authentic brown for a reason. It is the authentic color, duh! All the changes that you see are due to lighting, shadows, color timing, color correction and whatever. Put my jacket in those same conditions and it will look the same. I'm happy with that.

thanks everyone for all your input i really appreciate it! i now can order my WESTED jacket with confidence!!!

darn it i love this forum!!! if nothing else it brings peace of mind!!!


Thanks, JOA

ps- buffaloheads response really hit it home for me. it just really makes the most sense!!THANK YOU!

[Indiana G]

...he called you buffalo head....

sorry.......and now back to your regularly scheduled program.........

[Holt]

...he called you buffalo head....

sorry.......and now back to your regularly scheduled program.........

HAHA

sorry bufflehead jones..it cracked me up...

but I agree with you on this..the color for the Indy jacket HAS to be authentic brown...that's what Indy wore..that's what I wear.
(but I have to admit...I do like the screen jacket darker look)

best
Holt

[ortiz344]

kinda like the HAN hoth jacket (blue or brown)...blue by the way

Its authentic brown, in some dark scenes it looks darker than it really is, some jackets i dislike because they almost look black to me...

a little pecards will darker the authentic brown a bit for ya , but if you start with a darker brown, it looks more black, and to me, the todds brown is too light and needs a pecards rub to get looking more authentic brown

[Indiana Blooze]

_ walks to the middle of the crowd assembled, puts down his soapbox and steps on top...Screen-Accurate (SA) has to be the worst term/concept to have evolved from this community since its inception.  Pretending the subjective is objective and passing judgment based upon this...  This is the same as stating beauty is objective, and that "my wife is the most beautiful woman in the world, and unless your wife looks like mine she will some how be subpar..."  If I could eradicate one thing, it would be this whole concept of SA...  It is pretending to know something you do not, and I save that for church…I would bet a paycheck that if I put the hero jacket from Raiders on a table in a room with a representitive group of gearheads from this community, they would come back and tell my why that jacket was not SA...I'll go back to being ignored now...

Borrows _'s Soapbox
Ahh, _, always the voice of reason I agree with you. When I teach about Politics and Public Relations as it applies to my job, one of the first things I tell my students is:
Perception Is Reality
I then follow that up with the fact that while pereption is reality, that doesn't mean it is the truth. In a nutshell the result is, we all have our individual perceptions, which are our individual realities. Some people see jackets that are dark brown, some see authentic brown. Some people see fedoras that are grey/gray, some see brown.
And now, we return to our regularly scheduled thread.

[joeyofarimathea]

...he called you buffalo head....

sorry.......and now back to your regularly scheduled program.........

woops sorry about the typo "bufflehead". and that was a brilliant point _ made.... i was slowly starting to come to that conclusion myself!

i think perhaps the "Pursuit of Accurateness" might just be a waist of time and money!


thanks, JOA

[Panama Tom Jr.]

My turn on the soapbox…
I agree with _ – the pursuit of SA is a curse that has cost lots of us needless time and money. Moreover, it has little to do with what is practical in reality.
The reason I got into Indygear to begin with is that it’s a general look that can be worn in the real world as opposed to say, a Star Wars costume. However, if you limit yourself to an SA mindset you are essentially stuck with a closet full of stone colored shirts and taupe pants. It’s much more fulfilling to take bits of the look and incorporate rather than just copy. Mix up your colors, wear your Indy shirt with jeans, wear your Wested with a T-shirt – make the look your own.
As a musician I see the same thing all the time – lots of kids are out there that can copy another famous musician’s licks note for note. Great. Very impressive. Now what can you do with that? Nobody gets a record contract for playing another person’s song note for note. You’ve got to make your own style, taking all the bits you like from lots of different places and make them your own. The same can be true of Indygear – take the bits that work for you in the real world and create style that works for you every day in everyday life. Moreover, now that you have the gear go out and do something in it! Carpe Diem in your Indygearem!
Granted, there is part of this hobby that is dedicated to perfect replication and I understand that too – it’s kind of like model building. But remember that for all that obsessing you may only end up with is a display piece to hang on your wall or something you can only wear on Halloween…

[Bufflehead Jones]

...he called you buffalo head....

sorry.......and now back to your regularly scheduled program.........

woops sorry about the typo "bufflehead".

thanks, JOA

Don't worry, I've been called a lot worse.