My Wested with accuracy specs just arrived! (PICS and LIST)

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:06 am

- Scroll down for the list of specs -

This morning it was Christmas... first arrived my new Todd's standard holster and after a while also the jacket I ordered from Wested with specs. So I run to wear most of my gear to take some pictures.
I'm thrilled with the new jacket, I let the pictures talk by themselves now.

I know the limit of 6 pictures so the rest is as a link
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/e ... front3.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/e ... front1.jpg

Some comparison pictures with my old standard raiders wested and some of my specs

Smaller pockets 6"x7"
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/e ... ockets.jpg

rounded top corner storm flap
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/e ... ndflap.jpg

Piped pocket
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/e ... pocket.jpg

alluminium zip extended to the bottom and no leather facings
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/e ... bottom.jpg

1.25" deep pleat
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/e ... 5pleat.jpg

black square buckle and longer straps
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/e ... buckle.jpg

I'm extremely excited about this new jacket and very satisfied with the specs I've ordered. Peter nailed all of them.
What can I say if not THANKS PETER! I LOVE IT

Nobody · Post by **Nobody** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:16 am

That looks fantastic!

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:23 am

Thank you very much nobody

Post by **Holt** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:30 am

the jacket looks just like my special offer ROTLA jacketwich I got the otherday..

so since I loved my jacket then you could guess what I think about your's?

It looks GREAT.it fit's you well and it has the SA look to it.

what kind of jacket is it?standard,custom,or special offer rotla?

gongrats!

High regrda
Holt

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:33 am

Very nice Erri!! I'm jealous.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:39 am

Darn, now I wish I'd gone over on the friday to see that one.

Very nice.

Now go and have a shave, you scruffy nerf herder.

.

Nebraska Brad · Post by **Nebraska Brad** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:40 am

Great jacket Erri!

-Nebraska

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:51 am

Thank you Nebraska

indiana holt wrote:the jacket looks just like my special offer ROTLA jacketwich I got the otherday..

so since I loved my jacket then you could guess what I think about your's?

It looks GREAT.it fit's you well and it has the SA look to it.

what kind of jacket is it?standard,custom,or special offer rotla?

gongrats!

High regrda
Holt

Thank you Holt for the compliments, the jacket is a custom jacket (I sent Peter my list of specs). About the special offer ROTLA jacket I believe there are several specs that are missing in that one but still a very good choice for people that didn't go as far as I did with ... nutness!

whiskyman wrote:Very nice Erri!! I'm jealous.

If you're a good boy I'll let you touch it when we meet again

...hopefully soon!

Kt Templar wrote:Darn, now I wish I'd gone over on the friday to see that one.

Very nice.

Now go and have a shave, you scruffy nerf herder. .

you might see it sooner than you think my friend. Fancy coming up to Glasgow?

Post by **Holt** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:28 am

well anyway it is one sweet looking jacket...gongrats on it..

plan on distressing it or just let it distress naturell?

high regrads
Holt

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:33 am

well natural distress will be

Post by **Holt** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:35 am

great..how are the armholes on your javket?

do you feel any restricted or does it feel a little thigt just inder the arm when you hold your arms forward?

high regards
Holt

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:39 am

They are nicely tight when I hold the arms forward. Not annoyingly tight and neither loose (I would say perfect fit), if you know what I mean.
I ordered underarm gussettes (1 for each armhole), I don't know if that changes a lot the fit of it. My previous jacket was a bit looser around the armholes (and no gussettes either)

Indy_Railok · Post by **Indy_Railok** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:02 am

Beautiful jacket - we share the same dumb smile.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:07 am

LOL thanks Railok

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:11 am

Now that body length is perfect!!!! Did you have to special order it longer or are you.... how should I put it... Vertically challenged?

That jacket looks like the length of Indy's in the intro temple scene....

Also, Peter nailed the stormflap/collar connection perfectly!

Great jacket. What hide is it?

C3

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:37 am

coronado3 wrote:Now that body length is perfect!!!! Did you have to special order it longer or are you.... how should I put it... Vertically challenged?

That jacket looks like the length of Indy's in the intro temple scene....

Also, Peter nailed the stormflap/collar connection perfectly!

Great jacket. What hide is it?

C3

Hi Coronado, thanks for the appreciation. The length refletcs what I think is the best length for screen accuracy.
The jacket is lamb authentic brown. In case people are interested I'm glad to inform you that this leather does no longer have that shine that used to come with lambskin till not long ago. This new leather doesn't need any treatment to remove the "new shine" look that new lambskin jacket used to have.

I also noticed that the jacket is very close to the look of the temple scene at the beginning of raiders.

About the length I specified Length – 24 ½ back + ½ inch on the front
My previous one was 24" and I felt it was too short on my Noel Howard gear so I added half an inch on the back and a full inch on the front. Keep in mind that there isn't a "universal" right length that is good for everyone, I'm not tall so for me 24.5"/25" is good. What is important is to compare it with the right clothes (in my case Noel Howard's)

Canyon · Post by **Canyon** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:56 pm

Erri, congratulations! Absolutely gorgeous jacket. Holster is gorgeous as well!

Rom Hunter · Post by **Rom Hunter** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:56 pm

Congratulations, Erri.

Most SA ROTLA Wested I've seen so far.

One question:

6 inch width pockets instead of 6.5?

Is this scaled down from Platon's pattern?

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:58 pm

Thank you Canyon

Rom Hunter wrote:Congratulations, Erri.

Most SA Wested I've seen so far.

One question:

6 inch width pockets instead of 6.5?

Is this scaled down from Platon's pattern?

Thank you very much Rom Hunter!

No Platon's or anyone's pattern has been used. Pocket size was on my own idea of what I wanted, and I need to thank a dear friend of mine for helping me a lot

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:00 pm

Looks GREAT, erri!!!

HIGH regards! Michaelson

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:03 pm

Thanks Mike

Post by **Holt** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:05 pm

does your have the shoulderpads?

high reagrds
Holt

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:08 pm

err... no!

btw Rom....

Rom Hunter wrote: Most SA ROTLA Wested I've seen so far.

thanks

Rom Hunter · Post by **Rom Hunter** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:10 pm

Erri,

Did you just enter your SA specs list in Peter's Raiders jacket Special Requests window or did you PM him a more detailed list with pictures?

Post by **Holt** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:11 pm

whats your chest size?
and whats the size of the jcket around the chest?

in other words....how much bigger is the chest on the jacket compared to your chest?

Thanks
Holt

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:18 pm

Rom Hunter wrote:Erri,

Did you just enter your SA specs list in Peter's Raiders jacket Special Requests window or did you PM him a more detailed list with pictures?

Hi, I gave Peter a list of specs when I met him. Basically the famous agent5's list narrowed down to half a page, to make it Peter-Friendly (some millimetric details of that list are honestly ridiculous and I cut them away).
I'll post the revised-list tomorrow (I was heading to bed now).

indiana holt wrote:whats your chest size?
and whats the size of the jcket around the chest?

in other words....how much bigger is the chest on the jacket compared to your chest?

Thanks
Holt

The jacket is a 38". I'm 1 or 2 inches smaller than that.

Rom Hunter · Post by **Rom Hunter** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:22 pm

Erri wrote:I'll post the revised-list tomorrow (I was heading to bed now).

That would be great, Erri.

I would very much like to compare it with my own spec list.

Sleep well.

I'm sure you will.

afrayedknot · Post by **afrayedknot** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:04 pm

How much did you request Peter to add to the back length? I just can't get over how perfect the length of the jacket looks on you!

Tron7960 · Post by **Tron7960** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:27 pm

Very nice!
I'm gonna need to get a second job.
Tron

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:38 am

Tron7960 wrote:Very nice!
I'm gonna need to get a second job.
Tron

LOL, well this was my delayed birthday present

afrayedknot wrote:How much did you request Peter to add to the back length? I just can't get over how perfect the length of the jacket looks on you!

I specified Length – 24 ½ back + ½ inch on the front

Aeris_Canon wrote:Looks FANTASTIC, Erri! All that and HH too? Excellent spec choices! Especially on the pleat depth for that hide. REALLY NICE CALL! Looks great all around.

"Aaaaaaaaay.....sheesa good."

LOL it's not HH, don't confuse our COW-fellas Aeris

And thanks

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:55 am

Here is my list of specs

• Length – 24 ½ back + ½ inch on the front
• Chest 38
• Sleeve 25 ½
________________________FURTHER DETAILS________________________
• Style – Raiders (in the 80's cut pattern)
• Leather – Lamb (Authentic Brown colour)
• Lining - Cotton Silesia lining, body and sleeves
• Zipper - 5 gauge aluminium zipper with small zipper pull that extends to the bottom of the jacket
• No leather facing on the zipper
• Storm Flap - 1.5 inches (3.8cm) width; rounded top corner
• Sleeves – tapered
• Collar - Raiders collar to join storm flap half way between zipper and edge.
• Side Strap - Length : 8.75 inches (22.3cm), width: 1 inch (2.5cm). Sewn with X box pattern, double stitched
• Side strap buckles – BLACK rectangular sliders
• Pleat depth – 1.25 inches (3.2cm)
• Yoke seam - The arm seam should be 1 inch (2.5cm) BELOW the yoke seam
• Back panel - The back panel should extend all the way out to the sleeve seam
• Inside pocket - piped pocket
• Underarm Gussets - 1 piece (small) underarm gussets
• POCKETS: 6"x7"
Pocket flap shape and side strap position:

In the end I added a clear picture of the pocket shape so I could avoid to post a list of measures. I let The Man do his job because he surely knows better than me... and he did the #### of a good job. I love the flap shape too, not too pointy not to flat.

I specified also collar 42 in the list I gave him, it was a kind of experiment I was after, but I don't see any difference from my collar 38... but it's fine, a person suggested me that distressing in a certain way leads to the same "long-collar" effect. I tend to believe that now and I'm going to try that out soon enough.

NOW REMEMBER THAT
what worked for me might not work for your since everyone is different from the other. So keep in mind that this list is NOT THE PERFECT and universally true list. It's just Erri's list and it worked for me with those measures, it will work for you with other measures (length, size of the pockets, etc.) so don't just fax this list "as it is" to Peter and then be disappointed with the results.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:05 am

this is great news..thanks for sharing Erri

high regards
Holt

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:49 am

no problem

Rom Hunter · Post by **Rom Hunter** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:35 am

Many thanks, Erri.

Indiana Max · Post by **Indiana Max** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:42 am

Thanks a lot for those specs

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:48 am

as I said it is no problem. If there is anything that I might reconsider is tapered sleeves. Probably I would get them untapered.

Indy_Railok wrote:Beautiful jacket - we share the same dumb smile.

You were saying? ... http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/e ... G_3702.jpg

Panama Tom Jr. · Post by **Panama Tom Jr.** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:48 pm

The shallower pleats are a definite touch that helps nail the Raiders look - I didn't even realize that was an option with Wested. If I ever get another jacket from them that will definitely be on the list...

IndyTaz · Post by **IndyTaz** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:15 pm

WOW!!! Looks great Erri!!

Congrats

Regards
Christian

Rom Hunter · Post by **Rom Hunter** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:50 pm

Erri,

Another question:

Exactly how many inches are between the bottom of the pockets and the lowest end of the jacket?

Bemo · Post by **Bemo** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:27 pm

You may have accomplished the perfect jacket for your frame. I'm envious.

Peace.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:30 am

Panama Tom Jr. wrote:The shallower pleats are a definite touch that helps nail the Raiders look

I admit, they look pretty good!

Rom Hunter wrote:Exactly how many inches are between the bottom of the pockets and the lowest end of the jacket?

exactly 1.5" (1 1/2").

IndyTaz wrote: WOW!!! Looks great Erri!!
Congrats

thank you Christian

Bemo wrote:You may have accomplished the perfect jacket for your frame. I'm envious.

Peace.

Peace to you and

thank you!

Red Dust · Post by **Red Dust** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:31 am

erri.. the jacket looks badarse!!! what bash you have on your AB?... SoC

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:24 am

Red Dust wrote:erri.. the jacket looks badarse!!! what bash you have on your AB?... SoC

LOL thanks, the bash it's just a general Raiders which you can also find at this link viewtopic.php?t=19255
It was reblocked by Marc because of the terrible taper that had, sent to me open crown and then bashed on my taste. Pretty nice hat uh?

Red Dust · Post by **Red Dust** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:37 am

Hats s'awesome man, the jacket too, congrats

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:40 am

PETER, IF YOU SHOULD READ THIS, THE COLLAR ON THE JACKET IN THIS THREAD IS HOW ALL SCREEN ACCURATE RAIDERS COLLARS SHOULD LOOK.

The collar meets the storm flap directly in the middle of the width of the storm flap and the edge of the storm flap is also well rounded, as it was on the main Raiders hero jacket. The jacket on top in the photo below is how almost all the Wested collars look and while it's more aesthetic in the classic sense and is also more functional, it is still not how it looked in the film.

In the future, if anyone asks for a Raiders jacket that looks exactly as it did in the film, then please look back at this pic below and have your employees study it too. This collar/storm flap construction is perfect for a screen accurate Raiders jacket. The only very, very small gripe I would have is to round off the stitching to match the edge of the rounded flap a bit more, but this is incredibly minimal. This jacket is one of the best I've seen in a while and it seems all the specs were met. Bravo, Wested.

PLEASE keep this level of accuracy and attention to detail coming!

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:13 am

Or one of the things that should be there in addition to a few others?

Of course. I thought my first sentence was pretty straight forward. I was just pointing out the collar area, thus why just a photo of a collar appeared to parallel the discussion of it. However, you are right, it is my opinion that there are a few things that should remain standard on a screen accurate version of the Wested jacket unless otherwise specified.
Overall Erri's jacket is outstanding and as I said, I hope to see this attention by Wested continue.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:52 am

Thanks Agent5 for your compliment.
I agree with what you said Jason but you have to understand Peter too. I know that sometimes there might be mistakes (that, as far as I know Wested always try to correct) but when people send him 10 pages of millimetrical details, it's understandable if some details get forgotten.

I'm happy that my version of the specifications list (which is quite short compared to the ones that Peter usually receives) worked very very well. It was carefully thought in order to make it tailor-friendly.

Aeris_Canon wrote:"aaaaaaaay, itsa lambskin, too!"

Okay, so...HERE'S the question. How do we line a new set of default specs up for Peter on a Raiders jacket order without having to run a long list for him to read?

Basics that are wanted on the jacket: (Which have been tried by others in the past, btw, but seem to be showing up more on recent Westeds since a few months ago.)

Is there any hope of having a new set of default specs on a Raiders Wested so that certain items are standard and not a special request?

So that, essentially, all one would have to do is order the sleeve and jacket size without adding the details that should be on it by default?

Not custom sizing issues, but default expected specs.

Peter, if you received a list of a majority vote on certain default specs would you consider making those the default on the jackets?

This is of course up to Peter.
I only sent him a list that I thought it was reasonably short and clear, and it seemed to have worked excellently. I got all what I asked for.

The hope is that in eventually Peter will take (at least) most of these specs as standard so that future customers won't send him lists anymore.

This will work only if we actually agree on a set of general specs and IF (and this is most important) there won't be any more creative revisionism waves on the jacket (at least not on the raiders) pressing Peter to change it again to please the customers.
What I mean is, Peter used to have many specs right and then customers f*cked up big time (my last crusade diary doesn't fit in my raiders pockets please Peter make them bigger etc etc).

afrayedknot · Post by **afrayedknot** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:08 pm

Okay, this may be a stupid question. Again, on the back length (24 1/2 inches), is this the measurement from the base of your neck to your waist or the overall length of the jacket itself? If it is the length of the jacket, how many inches longer is it than the measurement from the base of your neck to your waist (which, I believe, is how the back measurement is taken)?

Also, was your sleeve measurement taken from another jacket or is this the measurement taken from the base of the neck, across the shoulder, to the elbow (bent), and to the wrist?

Thanks, Erri. Hope your not getting tired of these questions, but, really, your jacket is nice!

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:18 pm

afrayedknot wrote:Okay, this may be a stupid question. Again, on the back length (24 1/2 inches), is this the measurement from the base of your neck to your waist or the overall length of the jacket itself? If it is the length of the jacket, how many inches longer is it than the measurement from the base of your neck to your waist (which, I believe, is how the back measurement is taken)?

Also, was your sleeve measurement taken from another jacket or is this the measurement taken from the base of the neck, across the shoulder, to the elbow (bent), and to the wrist?

Thanks, Erri. Hope your not getting tired of these questions, but, really, your jacket is nice!

LOL don't worry afrayedknot... wow it took a while to write your nickname

The length is taken from the base of the neck. Practically from the seam between the back of the jacket and the collar. (Am I right people?)
With the previous I went for the shortest measure available (24"), with the new jacket I added some length (half an inch more on the back and a full inch on the front).
I have to say Peter is incredibly precise about length. If you say 24.5, then 24.5 will be!

Also the measurement of the sleeves was taken from the previous jacket and shortened a bit since in the last one the sleeves were perhaps too long for a raiders. The sleeves are measured from the shoulder seam. Not from the base of the neck. I suggest you to measure a jacket that fits you good on the sleeves and use that measure for your wested order.

Rom Hunter · Post by **Rom Hunter** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:19 pm

Perhaps the administrator is willing to make a sticky of the 'ultimate' ROTLA SA specs list?

Here's mine (based on a size 40):

- Authentic Brown lambskin
- 80’s fit (919 pattern)
- Cotton silesia lining (body, pockets and sleeves)
- 5 gauge aluminium zipper extending all the way to the bottom of the jacket
- No leather facing on the zipper
- Storm flap 1.5 inches wide with rounded top corner
- Leather collar stand
- Standard collar that goes halfway the zipper and the storm flap
- Pockets 7 x 6.5 inches with scalloped pocket flaps
- Side strap length 8.75 inches, width 1 inch, sewn with X-box pattern, double stitched.
- Two piece black rectangular buckles
- Pleat depth 1.25 inches
- No side vent stitch
- Yoke seam 1 inch higher than arm seam
- Back panel should extend all the way out to the sleeve seam
- One inside "piped" pocket (slit/less leather) on the left side only
- 1 piece (small) underarm gussets (optional)

Feel free to add and/or correct.