What's up with Peter Bros.?

Mississippi Jones · Post by **Mississippi Jones** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:45 am

I've seen some Peter Bros. threads in the past, but I noticed that everybody is talking about AB, HJ, Fed Del., etc. and not Peter Bros. What's up with Peter Bros.? Their website shows some good pics of their fedoras and at a reasonable price. Are they no longer a good company to work with? Are they still in good standing? I'm surprised that nobody talks about them. Could someone shine some light on the subject?

Thanks
-Miss. Jones

Dr. Woolley · Post by **Dr. Woolley** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:20 am

You know, everybody has their own opinion about PB. When I started haunting this site in 2000, it was all about the PB. I have had two--one was too small and one I still have and plan to get re-done at some point.

Two weeks ago, I ordered a soft felt TOD/YIJC hybrid. When I get it, I'll let you know. I like their hats, but with any kinda custom job, it really is a @#$% shoot. But, I have high hopes. I'll let you know when I get my new lid.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:25 am

PB is a WONDERFUL company to work with, and they sell TONS of Indy fedoras all over the world. Keep in mind, we're not the ONLY Indy related website in town.

Joe is currently working the rodeo circuit (their main business is Western hat sales), and he won't be back in the shop until February 2nd or so, but in my last email conversation with him a week ago, he told me as of that date he had at least 10 weeks of work in front of him on just Indy fedora orders that had come in while he was out of the shop.

So, yes, they are a top rate and top notch hat company...they've updated and improved their felt (look in the vendor section for those announcements and discussions), are using the same felt and felter as a couple of our own top notch hat makers right here at COW, and they're just getting better.

They have officially been members of our COW community since 2004, but have been with us LONG before that, as they helped several of us work on some of the first correct Indy fashioned fedoras of our hobby!

Regards! Michaelson

Mississippi Jones · Post by **Mississippi Jones** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:36 am

Ah! Thanks guys! I'm so glad to hear this about PB! I wanted their custom Indy when it came time to upgrade my fedora! And I like their "Michaelson Borsalino" as well. What kind of PB hats do ya'll have?

Dr. Woolley · Post by **Dr. Woolley** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:44 am

I have a Michaelson Borsalino and it is a great hat! But, it depends on what you want it for. It is a great dress hat but I have been told it does not weather well in beyond "normal" conditions. I have worn mine from the Jeep to my building in the rain and snow and it has been fine and still looks great. For more rugged conditions, I trust my Akubra Fed or my PB custom LC.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:58 am

Much of the reason that PB is not talked about that much, IMHO, is because when we first started buying from them, Joe Sr.'s son Joe Jr. was a fan and we mostly dealt with him. He was in charge of the Indy fedoras. Once he left, some of the interest dropped, mainly I think because the son was no longer with the company. Remember, as far as I know most dealt with Joe Jr. in the old days. Sometimes a hat vendor who is a fan gets more mention than just a "hatter."....That's my take on it anyways. Fedora

Mississippi Jones · Post by **Mississippi Jones** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:00 am

I hear the felt on the MB is thinner than the PB custom Indy. Since I'm always outside and "runnin and gunnin" day to day with horses and what not, I was thinking about just using either my Fed Del or ordering a thicker felt PB custom. A hat that I wouldn't mind getting dirty and smashed, and that could still hold up! Although the MB is a pretty hat to wear to church or something I think.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:06 am

The HJ is talk about just because of the name. The AB line because of the high quality, right block shape and how the hat is made. The Akubra is because of the a good quality lower end modest price. The PB is just not in that level and their customer service has dropped in recent time and as thier craftmanship.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:13 am

I haven't experienced that, B-Oak, but then maybe it's because I've personally known Joe and Nelda for so many years. I talked with JoeJr. several times, but Joe Sr. and JPDesign made my hats when he was with them. That's why I 'talk up' Jimmie when an opportunity comes along. I KNOW his work from personal experience.

I haven't noticed any change in craftsmanship either. As a matter of fact, the 3 prototypes I received to look at last summer were the best I've seen from their shop in years, and I've owned several customs.

The MichaelsonPB is a Borsalino rabbit felt, and is thinner than the custom which is a heaver blend. You might want to check out their new rabbit or 50/50 blend.

But, like I said, that's just me and my experience with the company.

Regards! Michaelson

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:16 am

Oak, when was your last direct experience with PB?

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:06 pm

It was more than a year ago. I always think it's good to get a reblock from the people who has made the hat. I needed a reblock for my first PB (Brown)( I had 3, 2 brown and 1 grey). When I first talked with them they said it would take abouth three weeks. No big deal, so off the hat went to them. I'm a very understanding guy when it comes to delays but it was more like a 10 months. I did call the after a month and asked how things where going. They said they had finished it and had put it in the mail. 2 weeks later no hat. I'll call the again. They said they are about to put it in the mail. This thing went on every other week for about nine months.
I finally talk with Joe and said he'll get to reblocking it right away. Yaaaaaaaaaaaah. I get it in a week. When I open the box I get a hat that is spotty all over. The crown is taller than normal and the brim is way to small. They ever reblocked it down 2 sizes.Yaaaaaah. i call them back up and tell them what they sen't me and I get " We sen't you a good looking hat in great shape." "must of happen in the mail." yes, of that makes sence to me. The postman took the brim and added to the crown????????
I ended up sending to Steve to see if he could do something with it. Even the master himself couldn't do anything with it. I think I caused him to shave of a few years of his life trying to rework that thing. Sorry Steve.

I know people make misstakes and thats OK with me just own up to it and correct it. the lying to me every week didn't help either.
I don't see the PB as a fedora anyway. It really is a cowboy hat dressed up to be a fedora. Even if I didn't have this bad experience and most of the time you only hear good things about them and I beleive most of the time they do very well.
I just think the reason you hear three hat being talked about is The AB is the top dog because it's the best hat out there. The HJ just because of the name and the Akubra because it's the best low end hat out there.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:13 pm

Wow! Sorry you had such a bad time, Oak. That's not the norm, but I'd be more than a bit miffed too if it happened to me!

Regards! Michaelson

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:26 pm

My brown PBBM in the LC Bash is still one of my favorite fedoras, and named for my pal Michaelson to boot!

One of these times, I have to get one of their Indy Panema hats, I have a Belloq styled Montecristi Panema, but PB's brown Indy Panema would be a nice lid to wear in the hot humid days of summer.

And I'll also say Joe Sr. is a great guy too.

Panama Tom Jr. · Post by **Panama Tom Jr.** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:05 pm

"Panema?"

Sorry - I had to call you on that one...

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:07 pm

Joe sr. was the last person i talked to and he was the one to finally reblock my hat. As you read not a good job at all. I want to get a friend of mine a nice Montecristi Panema hat but I can't bring myself to trust them anymore.

Panama Tom Jr. · Post by **Panama Tom Jr.** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:13 pm

Again, "Panema?"

Sorry to pick on your spelling, but IT IS THE LAND OF MY BIRTH!! :evil:
Whew - Ok - all better now...

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:19 pm

Ok, ok......pamana.....er....pname... oh, heck with it....straw hat!

Regards! Michaelson

Panama Tom Jr. · Post by **Panama Tom Jr.** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:22 pm

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:23 pm

Regards! Michaelson

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:31 pm

Michaelson wrote:Ok, ok......pamana.....er....pname... oh, heck with it....straw hat!

Regards! Michaelson

.......and Panama Tom Jr, you could have life long project when it comes to me and spelling.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:34 pm

You and me both, Oak!!

Regards! Michaelson

Mississippi Jones · Post by **Mississippi Jones** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:53 pm

So from what I can gather here, if I go with a PB, I just need to take my own chance and see what happens. Kind of scary, but I have plenty of time to think about it. I appreciate the responses I got.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:06 pm

Chance? Where did you get that idea, Mississippi?

I read one bad experience, and four good ones in this thread to this point. No scarier than dealing with any OTHER custom hatmaker on our boards. As a matter of fact, that's pretty dang good in my opinion!

Regards! Michaelson

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:20 pm

You’re also dealing with “flavor of the month” a lot on this board. At one point PB was hands down the most bought hat on this board. Then it was the Akubra Federation. Then it was the…., you get my point. This is not to say that the most popular vendor, in any category, at any one time, is not really great (and maybe the best). But you’re also dealing with the “lemming” (The act of following the crowd into an investment that will inevitably head for disaster) factor. Cheers

PS- I don’t think buying a piece of gear will necessarily head anyone “into disaster”.

Cheers

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:22 pm

Well said, old friend.

Regard! Michaelson

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:43 pm

I don't know if I buy the flavor of the month. Should someone stick with something that stays the same. Or should you go with something one comes out with a better product. I'm going with the better product and did.
I think the Akubra is a better buy and better hat than PB. The AB line is best of all in my opinion.

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:00 pm

Michaelson wrote:Well said, old friend.

Regard! Michaelson

Thank’s Mark!

BendingOak wrote:I don't know if I buy the flavor of the month. Should someone stick with something that stays the same. Or should you go with something one comes out with a better product. I'm going with the better product and did.
I think the Akubra is a better buy and better hat than PB. The AB line is best of all in my opinion.

I’m not saying that you shouldn’t get the best product out there (or at least the best for you). I wasn’t debating the AB’s place. It’s obviously a great hat. My point was that you can’t always go with conventional COW-board-wisdom. Several times in the past I’ve disagreed with it. Cheers

Mississippi Jones · Post by **Mississippi Jones** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:07 pm

I agree with everyone. And I understand it's personal preferance. I'm gonna go with PB after a while, maybe after Afghanistan. Right now, I'm gonna go ahead and order my Fed del.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:16 pm

I just don't agree with the " flavor of the month" statement thats all.

DrClemente · Post by **DrClemente** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:29 pm

It seems to me that you will receive a quality hat from any of the fine vendors mentioned in this thread. PB produces a quality fedora at his price; Akubra Federation is also a fine product; Keppler, AB - etc. You get my point. It comes down to personal preferences, the shades of color, crown height, felt used, and of course, how much you want to spend. As a newbie, I doubt that I could tell much of a difference between these, except for the AB which clearly stands head and shoulders above all the others in the opinions of COW members.

Mississippi Jones · Post by **Mississippi Jones** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:51 pm

Very true. All I know is, different people like different things. As I have learned, people here have had great experiences and bad experiences with PB. When the time comes for me to get a top notch fedora, and if I choose PB, I'll write my own review. Hopefully it'll be a good one, but if not, then oh well...maybe next time. I really like the pics and the prices and the felt used in PB's fedora. And I like the fact that he's with the rodeo circuit. Being a former Pro Bull Rider, that means alot to me. And I have had some good hats in my past. And since he deals with alot of cowboys, I know he takes really really good care of his products.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:58 pm

They've been at it since the early 1900's, and are a 4th generation hat maker in Ft. Worth, so I imagine they know what they're doing.

Regards! Michaelson

Mississippi Jones · Post by **Mississippi Jones** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm

Lol. Yea, being in it that long, they DO know what they're doing! Nothing better than that old school loving on a hat.

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:52 pm

Minnesota Jones wrote:One of these times, I have to get one of their Indy Panema hats, I have a Belloq styled Montecristi Panema, but PB's brown Indy Panema would be a nice lid to wear in the hot humid days of summer.

The PB Indy Straw isn't a panama, actually. It's very soft milan straw. It is the most comfortable straw hat I own when it comes to hot, humid days. However, I find the straw too floppy to hold a good shape for long. The brim kind of wilts over time.

Stiffener would help tremendously. Otherwise, no complaints with the hat or the service.

IndyFrench · Post by **IndyFrench** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:33 pm

With all due respect and not to unduly "bash' (no pun intended) Peters Bros, but I purchased a custom Indy "_ 1" from them back when they were the talk of the town. As many old timers around here know, my experience with the hat itself was much less than stellar.

If you go to the link below, you can click on the first two fedora links and see the Peters Bros P1 compared to a standard Fed (courtesy of Rundquist!)

http://www.geocities.com/indyfrench/Gear.html

I had a heck of a time with my PB. The hat's bash was way off, despite being my proper size, it fit like a vice and was always uncomfortable - Eventually the hat faded and turned gray/green while the ribbon turned a near purple. The only reason it ended up being so soft was because I put it through the ringer trying to get it to loosen up.

I am glad to hear that all of the PB stories above are positive by and large. I am only contributing this story in an attempt to enhance a comprehensive dialogue, not generate bad feelings towards a company that HAS done its utmost to support our community, for which I am truly grateful.

Regards,
IndyFrench

Dr.Seuss · Post by **Dr.Seuss** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:08 am

Two experiences; one very good, the other, I am still contemplating. Overall, I have been very pleased with my PB Customs.

I would like to see the "new" rabbit versions.

Sincerely,

Indiana Blooze · Post by **Indiana Blooze** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:50 am

BendingOak wrote:
Michaelson wrote:Ok, ok......pamana.....er....pname... oh, heck with it....straw hat!

Regards! Michaelson

.......and Panama Tom Jr, you could have life long project when it comes to me and spelling.

Hey Oak, there must be something about guys that can't spel and playin' in fires

I loved both my PB's. Both were pretty much bullet-proof. I 've got a pic of one of mine posted here viewtopic.php?t=25722 I pretty much wore and beat the @#$% out of this hat for a couple years. It's never been reblocked. Oh yeah, and one more thing, in certain lighting conditions, itlooks grey/gray

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:24 am

Blooze, I remember that hat and your right they do tend to bleed or fad to show that grey color. I would say don't relock it it will only look worse.

Hey Oak, there must be something about guys that can't spel and playin' in fires