Jacket length? I told you...

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:11 am

forgot to tell you that if you take a ruler and measure the storm flap on your middle pic it's 12.3cm while on the one of the left it's 11.5, so yous is longer...

Garzo · Post by **Garzo** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:31 am

Just wondering, hasn't it been established that Ford wore several jackets in the film? Just from looking at the pics above, it looks to me that he's wearing different jackets in different scenes. In the South American jungle, it looks long, the sleeves look long, while in Marion's tavern, it looks a lot shorter, the sleeves look like they're riding high compared to how they hung in the South American scene.
I always figured the films used a number of jackets not only because some were damaged, but also for the composition of the scene, etc.

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:33 am

OK. Last time I'll say this. My photo has been scaled so that the proportions of the pockets and relationship of jacket length / sleeve length to the pants belt are comparable.

Measure the pockets and flap - they are the same which means the PROPORTIONS are the same.

However, my collar position is not going to match his because mine is probably a LARGER jacket anyway.

I don't think there's any merit in discussing this any further. We're comparing two REPLICA jackets for goodness sake - it's not like any of this will prove ANYTHING relative to the screen jacket.

For the record, I know that what I'm saying regarding focal length etc IS true.

Chris

PLATON wrote:Chris you know that what you say isn't true.
You have enlarged your photo so that it has same length with the photo on the left.

This is apparent from the fact that on your enlarged photo the collar is higher. Notice the green line that connects the tops of the storm flaps. In the middle photo the top of the storm flap is much higher.

Also, if you post the entire jacket and not the half of it, you will see that you enlarged it so much that it will appear huge next to the jacket on the left. Do that and notice the shoulders span and width.

Of course, I am not trying to convince you.
I told you, the only way is to ask the guy on the left to measure his storm flap and then we put that against yours.

I hope he is watching....

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:45 am

I totally believe that there was (basically) ONE jacket used through-out Raiders. To me the "Demon Roll" on the top part of the zipper is too prominent for it to have been several jackets. That zipper area on Fords right chest rolls out in the same manner on most (all?) of the scenes. I know that this can be duplicated to some extent but I have doubts that they would have gone to that trouble, because it would have been a somewhat insignificant aspect.

Doug C

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:08 pm

This is all wrong. MK used this picture measurement technique years ago to try to figure out hat specs. It does not work because you are looking at a two dimensional object. If the angle of your subject is different by even a hair, your measurements don’t add up to squat.

PLATON wrote:The two below photos are scaled to the same size basis his nose to measure 7 mm.

The chin is aligned too, so no questions about height difference.

Look at the bottom of the jacket. A coincidence?

Now, excuse me but this jacket appears longer than many...

In the first pic the camera is looking down on Ford. In the second pic, it’s looking up at Ford. Really, you’re on the inside track to nowhere. Cheers

WeeMadHamish · Post by **WeeMadHamish** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:14 pm

The focal length is also completely different. Look how much rounder and wider his face looks in the left compared to the right. The perspective is completely different between the two.

Also, using the belt position as a gauge has always seemed kind of ludicrous to me. Unless you staple it to your torso, the waist of your pants is going to be in constant motion as long as you're moving.

Long or short, unless you ARE Harrison Ford, you're never going to get a perfectly screen-accurate length. Get what looks right on YOU.

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:31 pm

I think the length on my Todd's calfskin is great...

I am wearing a NH shirt and pants in these pics...

sebas · Post by **sebas** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:05 pm

Technonut, the jacket looks terrific no matter how you slice it. Having said that, if we're talking about Raiders screen accuracy, I'd say it's still about an inch too short...

CM · Post by CM » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:58 pm

Good looking jacket but, yeah... another inch would see it SA. But who cares when you've got such good pockets!

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:00 pm

PLATON wrote:Chris you know that what you say isn't true.
You have enlarged your photo so that it has same length with the photo on the left.

This is apparent from the fact that on your enlarged photo the collar is higher. Notice the green line that connects the tops of the storm flaps. In the middle photo the top of the storm flap is much higher.

Also, if you post the entire jacket and not the half of it, you will see that you enlarged it so much that it will appear huge next to the jacket on the left. Do that and notice the shoulders span and width.

Of course, I am not trying to convince you.
I told you, the only way is to ask the guy on the left to measure his storm flap and then we put that against yours.

I hope he is watching....

Oh wow, never thought I'd see my picture compared against the legendary Chris King's mannequin for screen accuracy!

If it helps any, mine is a size 40 jacket with a 25" back panel...

I just find it ironic, that not so long ago, we'd have pictures like Technonauts posted, only to have people say that it was a couple inches too long, and now it seems that people find it to be an inch too short!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:12 pm

imo, the SA test for jacket length: throw on the NH/wested/magnoli trousers worn right at the waist....not around your hips like eminem and not up where your navel is like old indy......... the back panel should just cover the pocket flaps.

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:44 pm

Indiana G wrote:imo, the SA test for jacket length: throw on the NH/wested/magnoli trousers worn right at the waist....not around your hips like eminem and not up where your navel is like old indy......... the back panel should just cover the pocket flaps.

Like this? The same NH trousers taken at the same time as the above pics... The back panel just covers the pocket flaps...

CM · Post by CM » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:58 pm

Oh wow, never thought I'd see my picture compared against the legendary Chris King's mannequin for screen accuracy! ;)

If it helps any, mine is a size 40 jacket with a 25" back panel... :P

I just find it ironic, that not so long ago, we'd have pictures like Technonauts posted, only to have people say that it was a couple inches too long, and now it seems that people find it to be an inch too short! :D[/quote]

It's no ironic so much as a reflection that different members comment on different things. Right now it's time for those who have a "longer" view of jacket history...

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:26 am

Oh wow, never thought I'd see my picture compared against the legendary Chris King's mannequin for screen accuracy!

If it helps any, mine is a size 40 jacket with a 25" back panel...

I just find it ironic, that not so long ago, we'd have pictures like Technonauts posted, only to have people say that it was a couple inches too long, and now it seems that people find it to be an inch too short!

If that is so, then your jacket is a 40 Regular. It doesn't look like one though, have you asked for any customizations?

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:30 am

PLATON wrote: If that is so, then your jacket is a 40 Regular. It doesn't look like one though, have you asked for any customizations?

Wow! How on earth can you tell the size of a jacket merely from looking at it with nothing else with which to compare it? That is an impressive skill.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:51 am

I compare it with mine you silly.
I wear 40R

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:23 am

Techno's jacket looks awesome IMO but it is a little short looking in that first picture (where it's open). It would look even shorter if being worn with jeans probably. Strangely though it looks spot on in the second picture, like the Ravewood bar scene. The first picture reminds me of the first Wested I had, it was perfect in all the details but I always had a feeling that I needed to pull it down just a bit in the waist..and looking back and comparing it with what I see on screen it really was short, shorter than Techno's I'm sure. But then Techno's back length doesn't seem short at all, so maybe it's all just an optical illusion. Perhaps if he's leaning forward like we mostly see Ford (in screen grabs) then it'd seem longer?

Doug C

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:12 pm

PLATON wrote:
Oh wow, never thought I'd see my picture compared against the legendary Chris King's mannequin for screen accuracy!

If it helps any, mine is a size 40 jacket with a 25" back panel...

I just find it ironic, that not so long ago, we'd have pictures like Technonauts posted, only to have people say that it was a couple inches too long, and now it seems that people find it to be an inch too short!
If that is so, then your jacket is a 40 Regular. It doesn't look like one though, have you asked for any customizations?

Only thing I can think of is the 80's cut, but I'm not sure if I got that, since I also requested (and I believe paid for) gussets, but they were absent on the jacket. I can say that the jacket does feel a bit bell shaped at times, and the waist feels looser than my other two jackets.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:06 pm

Doug C wrote:Techno's jacket looks awesome IMO but it is a little short looking in that first picture (where it's open). It would look even shorter if being worn with jeans probably. Strangely though it looks spot on in the second picture, like the Ravewood bar scene. The first picture reminds me of the first Wested I had, it was perfect in all the details but I always had a feeling that I needed to pull it down just a bit in the waist..and looking back and comparing it with what I see on screen it really was short, shorter than Techno's I'm sure. But then Techno's back length doesn't seem short at all, so maybe it's all just an optical illusion. Perhaps if he's leaning forward like we mostly see Ford (in screen grabs) then it'd seem longer?

Doug C

tn's jacket looks spot on imo. the jacket length makes for nice illusions when studying screen grabs because it is dependent on a number of things (ford's posture and if he has the jacket hanging off his shoulders or around his neck where it should be). there's also some illusion in play in regards to the fact that tn is a different build than ford, ie - torso length, shoulder width, where his arms are attached, etc. if you have a very short torso but your jacket hits your pocket flaps correctly, some may say that the jacket is too short. on the reverse side of the coin, if you have a long torso and short legs, some may say your jacket is too long.

we've seen 2 pics at imam's house with the same jacket, one looks short, the other looks long.

i don't exactly understand what we are debating here.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:37 pm

PLATON wrote:I compare it with mine you silly.
I wear 40R

You mean that you compare the jackets themselves, or that you compare the photos of the jackets? If it is the latter I still think that you have an amazing skill if you can accurately judge the size of the jacket unless you know Castor Dioscuri's exact measurements.

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:28 pm

the jacket length makes for nice illusions when studying screen grabs

Yep, that's true. I just mainly thought that Technos sleeve length / body length ratio looked at bit more than what we see in Raiders, based on that first pic. But as has been pointed out we're not built exactly the same as Ford either. No slight on Technos jacket, it looks sweet just the way it is!

Doug C

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:25 am

You mean that you compare the jackets themselves, or that you compare the photos of the jackets? If it is the latter I still think that you have an amazing skill if you can accurately judge the size of the jacket unless you know Castor Dioscuri's exact measurements.

Castor gave measurements and I said what size was the jacket after I consulted the sizing chart at wested's website.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:11 pm

Aeris_Canon wrote:Hmm. Do we even know Castor has a jacket? LOL! I don't think we've ever seen a picture of Castor in a jacket.

Jacket looks great, btw, Techno.

I actually have three... soon to be four...

And I always made it a point to post a new one on CoW whenever it arrived to get the CoW seal of approval!

But here is the jacket Platon is going on about:

It is (or was) splashed all across the previous page

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:39 pm

ac, that's your todd's standard correct? in that pic, it looks too long but i know for a fact that it is not....based on the pics when you reviewed the jacket, and also from my knowledge from actually owning one of these gems.

pics lie folks.....it shouldn't be up to us to judge who's jacket is too long or too short. the wearer has to be the judge of that issue.

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:57 pm

Indiana G wrote:
pics lie folks.....it shouldn't be up to us to judge who's jacket is too long or too short. the wearer has to be the judge of that issue.

Amen Brother....

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:16 pm

I'm happy with my jacket. Yeah, IF it was a custom made jacket from Todd's I might have ordered it a little bit longer but it's not a major issue with me. I mean the jacket screamed Raiders right out of the box......adding dirt to it made it look even better which I didn't think was possible.

I have noticed one thing. The lining on the inside of this jacket tends to make it slide around on my torso. That's something I didn't have a problem with when I wore my Wested. So when I'm wearing it the jacket tends to ride up in the front some when it's zipped making it appear shorter in length than it actually is. I've also noticed when it's not zipped that the jacket tends to slide around some as well.....not as bad though. It I still have to adjust it on occasion when I'm moving around.

I don't know what type of lining was used in the movie jackets but there *might* be a similar thing going on with Ford's jacket. So that's why it tends to look longer in some shots and shorter in the others.

ShanghaiJack · Post by **ShanghaiJack** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:21 am

I think we're having some communication problems, but I will try one last time

PLATON wrote:
You mean that you compare the jackets themselves, or that you compare the photos of the jackets? If it is the latter I still think that you have an amazing skill if you can accurately judge the size of the jacket unless you know Castor Dioscuri's exact measurements.
Castor gave measurements and I said what size was the jacket after I consulted the sizing chart at wested's website.

When I said "Castor Dioscuri's exact measurements" I meant his measurements, not his jacket's measurements. For example, his height, the length of his arms, the width of his chest and waist, the slope of his shoulders, etc. From what you have said you did not have this information, rather you had the size of his jacket and the back panel.

PLATON wrote:
Oh wow, never thought I'd see my picture compared against the legendary Chris King's mannequin for screen accuracy!

If it helps any, mine is a size 40 jacket with a 25" back panel...

I just find it ironic, that not so long ago, we'd have pictures like Technonauts posted, only to have people say that it was a couple inches too long, and now it seems that people find it to be an inch too short!
If that is so, then your jacket is a 40 Regular. It doesn't look like one though, have you asked for any customizations?

My point stands that without knowing what Castor Dioscuri's body type is like that there is no way you can judge whether or not the jacket looks like or doesn't look like a 40 regular or any other size for that matter regardless of whether or not you compared it to the sizing chart at Wested.

PLATON wrote:Castor gave measurements and I said what size was the jacket after I consulted the sizing chart at wested's website.

That's funny because I thought you just compared it with your jacket, but then what do I know I 'm just a silly guy.

PLATON wrote:I compare it with mine you silly.
I wear 40R

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:37 am

boy, you are messed up.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:24 pm

I think the problem is the jackets actually varied in length. And don't say it can't happen. There are two brown hats in the new film in so far as specs. The WRONG one was a sample that got aged and sent to Hawaii, and was used in the film BEFORE the difference was noticed. S$%# happens. Fedora

191145 · Post by **191145** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:58 pm

My Raiders came back from alterations at Wested too short, and I still don't like it, but I kept it. In all honesty, if I was less thick in the middle it would probably be okay, but it just does cover the belt.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:31 pm

In all honesty, if I was less thick in the middle it would probably be okay....

Boy, ain't that the plain truth. MOST of MY clothes would fit if that problem went away....

Regards! Michaelson