New KOtCS pic: The jacket

[Rundquist]

I think the jacket looks all right. To me his gear looks like better versions of Crusade gear. The collar being pointier is aesthetically more pleasing than the Crusade collar and more period accurate to boot. Also I can’t stress enough what a horrible job they did distressing the LC jacket. That’s the fakest distress job by far of the three movies.

I’m borrowing Castor's pic here:



He looks like a goober in the LC shot. The guy on the left looks like he can kick your @ss. Cheers

[ob1al]

My thoughts are this; whatever anyone here thinks, be it positive or negative, it IS an Indiana Jones jacket now and part of the gear history.

Personally, I think there are lots of improvements over the LC gear - the new fedora looks so much better and I'm glad they dropped the necktie.

I think the new jacket is distinctive and I like it. It looks like it could handle a few truck draggings.

Al

[Rundquist]

The hat is the one piece that everyone agrees is well done. And I don’t think it’s just because Fedora the hat maker is part of this board. I know it’s the wrong section, but since we’re on the subject anyway. Actually the simultaneous hat thread in the hat section is kind of boring. Everyone agrees it’s a good hat.

[Indiana G]

wow....lots of discussion here as of late. i didn't want to jump in as i was sittin back eating popcorn while you guys went for each others jugulars

my take on his gear is that it all looks too new....looks like what i wear at at the office, but perhaps there is something in the story in regards to that.

as far as the jacket goes, if wested would have made this exact same jacket, would we have this much dissension? i'm thinking not. perhaps some of the negativity stems from the fact that tony nowak and bernie pollack, though highly admired in their respective industries, are practically newbs when it comes to indygear.....am i wrong? i'll be willing to bet that if bernie gave _ free reign on designing the indy iv jacket, we'd all love it........'cept for that darn zipper.....needs to come down all the way _

[Michaelson]

as far as the jacket goes, if wested would have made this exact same jacket, would we have this much dissension?

Probably. If you noticed above, the distress job on the Wested in LC is still dispised.

Regards! Michaelson

[Indiana G]

as far as the jacket goes, if wested would have made this exact same jacket, would we have this much dissension?

Probably. If you noticed above, the distress job on the Wested in LC is still dispised.

Regards! Michaelson

....blame that on the costumer, not mr. botwright....they should have taken a page out of your book and give 'er the ol pecards treatment the LC jacket is not bad though....it fits well, has a characteristic collar, and when treated correctly, most of the ugly distressing disappears on the big screen....enough to pull it off successfully imo. you look at it and you can see wested's influence on her....the same way that i see an LC influence on every jacket that comes out of peter's shop.

my point is, if indy iv never got off the ground, and if for some crazy reason tony nowak wanted to join the ranks of wested, todd, us wings, fs, etc. with an indy offering and came up with this,.........we'd all be saying, "it's ok....but it looks like the disneyland jacket"

[sebas]

my point is, if indy iv never got off the ground, and if for some crazy reason tony nowak wanted to join the ranks of wested, todd, us wings, fs, etc. with an indy offering and came up with this,.........we'd all be saying, "it's ok....but it looks like the disneyland jacket"

Hear, hear

[K on the run]

LC gear is not my cup of tea.... except the tie, it's a nice addition IMO.

Regards,
Kim

edit: the point of this is that saying that things is better than LC stuff is irrelevant since we all (to the best of my knowledge) agree that LC gear leaves a lot to be desired.

[Doug C]

ob1al wrote :

it IS an Indiana Jones jacket now and part of the gear history.

..a pity too.

And...

I think the new jacket is distinctive

For me it's only distinction is it's mediocrity (again from what we've seen so far). So I'd like to know what in your view makes it so distinctive?

Doug C

[Cassidy]

Mediocre is falling apart at the seams after 5 years *cough*

/retreats to hole

[Doug C]

Mediocre is falling apart at the seams after 5 years *cough*

Yep, I agree and that may happen here too for all we know.

Doug C

[Cassidy]

Dunno...looks almost bullet proof to my untrained eye.

[Rundquist]

ob1al wrote :

it IS an Indiana Jones jacket now and part of the gear history.

..a pity too.

And...

I think the new jacket is distinctive

For me it's only distinction is it's mediocrity (again from what we've seen so far). So I'd like to know what in your view makes it so distinctive?

Doug C

At least the collar lies flat. People always describe the LC collar with the term "elephant ears", and I think that it's a subconscious thing that has less to do with the physical size of the collar rather than how it lays. People always assume it's huge. It's probably not that much larger than the Raiders collar to be honest. The new collar lays right if nothing else.

[Doug C]

why in the world didn't they use that kevlar jacket everyones always going on about? It would have been so much better in the real world after all.

Doug C

[Rundquist]

LC gear is not my cup of tea.... except the tie, it's a nice addition IMO.

Regards,
Kim

edit: the point of this is that saying that things is better than LC stuff is irrelevant since we all (to the best of my knowledge) agree that LC gear leaves a lot to be desired.

A lot of people like the LC gear actually (I don't, but everyone has their favorite). Now there’s one more jacket to compare to one another. LC is just as valid as anything else. Cheers

[Michaelson]

Why not Kevlar? Because it was made by U. S. Wings and cost close to $1200 when they were produced........

Oh, and Adam, the very first LC jackets that came out DID have collars that were at least TWICE the size of the Raiders jacket. I know. I had one, and it was unreal how huge the collar was!!!

Regard! Michaelson

[Doug C]

Ok Runquist thinks the collar is better..anyone else?

I know they specified that something be fixed and apparently it was a big deal and all.. but to me it looks no different than the LC one. As a matter of fact (the pic of Indy on the beach) it looks better than the one from the CS promo still.

Doug C

[Cassidy]

But that's just it, right? How do we know that the picture in question isn't just an early test promo pic for scrutiny by the team?

I see what the detractors are saying regardless of my disagreement with them, but you have to admit the jacket in the actual film stills look a #### of a lot better than the promo shot in question.

[Doug C]

Cassidy, I agree with that completely. I've been thinking to that that picture was taken before the jackets been worn much or more importantly perhaps - worked with. So that could have alot to do with it's stiff non-draping appearance. It could be tons better in the actual film.

Doug C

[Indiana G]

working off pictures is difficult to fashion a complete opinion of this jacket. currently, my correctly worded opinion is that "i do not agree with how this jacket looks on ford at this time". more info is needed to see how this jacket moves on our hero.....maybe the collars will look like hummingbird wings when he runs, making me dislike it even more...who knows??? perhaps when the trailer comes out, we'll see a bit more.

i'm still very interested in purchasing one of these based on the construction that i have heard about. i indeed would like to see the price first and the sizing options before i pull the trigger though.

[ob1al]

So I'd like to know what in your view makes it so distinctive?

Distinctive, as in unique to Indy IV. Different than the Raiders, TofD or LC jackets.

My wife would say they all look the same, including the new one, but we know different right?

[sebas]

Just added a poll to gauge the divide...
So do your civic duty, fellas

[Indiana G]

So I'd like to know what in your view makes it so distinctive?

Distinctive, as in unique to Indy IV. Different than the Raiders, TofD or LC jackets.

My wife would say they all look the same, including the new one, but we know different right?

ha ha! my wife can't tell the difference either.......which allows me to keep buying new ones

[Rundquist]

Why not Kevlar? Because it was made by U. S. Wings and cost close to $1200 when they were produced........

Oh, and Adam, the very first LC jackets that came out DID have collars that were at least TWICE the size of the Raiders jacket. I know. I had one, and it was unreal how huge the collar was!!!

Regard! Michaelson

Hey Mark, I believe it. What Wested sells today and in the past is a different matter completely (I heard that they've recently reconfigured their LC collar completely). I was talking about the screen used version maybe not being as “huge” as we think. LC Westeds of old having huge collars (maybe even bigger than what was on screen) has more to do with perception. We perceive the film used jacket collar to be large, maybe larger than it was. Cheers

[Michaelson]

Gotcha!!

Regards! Michaelson

[K on the run]

A lot of people like the LC gear actually (I don't, but everyone has their favorite). Now there’s one more jacket to compare to one another. LC is just as valid as anything else. Cheers

I stand corrected
Best regards,
Kim

[Indy_Werner]

In response to the idea of the CS pic being an early promo shot. I think it is because would he hold his whip like that if it was from an on screen action shot? I can see him holding it curled, or just by the handle, but not like that

[Rundquist]

A lot of people like the LC gear actually (I don't, but everyone has their favorite). Now there’s one more jacket to compare to one another. LC is just as valid as anything else. Cheers

I stand corrected
Best regards,
Kim

No big deal either way.

[indiana lurch]

Ok, so some people don't like the LC gear (like the jacket collar), but if someone (any of the jacket makers) tries to improve or better the look, people cry "NOT SCREEN ACCURATE!".

I do believe that no matter what the jacket may look like there is no way that everyone will agree. I don't mind the jacket, looks a bit stiff, but if it's new then that would be why...I'll wait til the movie comes out or more scenes become available before I make a final decision, IMO

IL

Ducking for cover...

Go leafs again, who am I kidding

[Rundquist]

Ok, so some people don't like the LC gear (like the jacket collar), but if someone (any of the jacket makers) tries to improve or better the look, people cry "NOT SCREEN ACCURATE!".

I do believe that no matter what the jacket may look like there is no way that everyone will agree. I don't mind the jacket, looks a bit stiff, but if it's new then that would be why...I'll wait til the movie comes out or more scenes become available before I make a final decision, IMO

IL

Ducking for cover...

Go leafs again, who am I kidding

Why do you try to bring logic into this?

[indiana lurch]

I'm sorry, what was I thinking...logic from a leafs and bills fan. As you can see, logic from me is not normal or usable

IL

[CM]

I like the new jacket. I like the fact that things change in Indy movies. I only hope the movie is as good as the new jacket because frankly (my opinion only, so don't get angry) LC stunk for the most part, Temple had a few very good bits (except Short Round) but Raiders is a total classic. For the record, I like all the jackets in their own way.

[Kittlemeier]

From Tony Nowak's site.

Each jacket is specifically designed for the bodybuilder's physique

Maybe that's why the jacket doesn't fit. Ford's not a bodybuilder. From these pics I'm not impressed at all with the jacket.

[djd]

Yes. The way it hangs on his shoulders has the effect of making his shoulders look very skinny. Old man shoulders even

[coronado3]

Come on , guys... The photo is a forced perspective shot from below... It is the reasaon that the pants seem high and his shoulders look skinny.

Look at the shot with the back pack again. It is shot straight on and he looks just like he always has.

Just because a guy is older doesn't mean he is going to turn into a shrunken bag of bones...

C3

PS. the pants thing? look at the Iman scene in raiders again!

[Kittlemeier]

Not trying to offend anyone. _, you have said many jacket makers can't fit your build. Looking through the pics on Nowaks site, none of the jackets fit people of average build well at all. From supermodels to Bruce Willis, the only jackets that fit are Arnold's. From the pics, Ford's jacket fits just as poorly as any on Nowak's site.

BTW, I'm not sticking up for any other maker here, I just don't know why they would use a promotional jacket maker. I know he made the T3 jacket, which in my opinion is no different from the IJ4 jacket, very generic looking compared to it's predecessors.

[Cassidy]

Who would have thought that a jacket could divide a community like this.

Anyone looking forward to, oh I don't know, the story?

[Kittlemeier]

This is not the story section.

[Michaelson]

True, so true.

Kittlemeier, here's another thought.

Good, bad, or indifferent, let's suppose you're building a new home. You are using bricks. You want the best bricks you can get, but are on a timeline getting the house built before winter sets in.

You have a choice of either getting your bricks from overseas, or from a brickyard next door. You have built many houses in the past using those imported bricks, and have had good luck with them too....but time is of the essense on this job. You've seen the specs and talked to the overseas representive of that brickyard, and they still produce good product...but, even though it costs more, you have to go with the brickyard next door and get the house done. You're on a deadline, and it's not one YOU set, but the one your homeowner contracted you to do.

Now, insert jacket in place of bricks, and Indy IV production in the place of the house, and I think you have the answer to this puzzle.

Regards! Michaelson

[djd]

That's a fair point but Todd makes a better jacket than Nowak IMHO. To be honest, looking at Nowaks site his stuff does not look like the top-end product I was expecting. It all looks cheap even if it isn't. I'm sure it's very well made, just not my taste.... the crucial factor for me is that he hasn't understood or doesn't appreciate the essence of the Indy jacket.

[Cassidy]

That's a fair point but Todd makes a better jacket than Nowak IMHO. To be honest, looking at Nowaks site his stuff does not look like the top-end product I was expecting. It all looks cheap even if it isn't. I'm sure it's very well made, just not my taste.... the crucial factor for me is that he hasn't understood or doesn't appreciate the essence of the Indy jacket.

With the utmost humble respect and admiration djd, have you WORN Nowak's jacket that would warrant such a statement?

Nowak's website looks like it hasn't changed since 1997, so how can anyone gauge the quality of the Indy IV jacket based off three or four pictures?

Seriously guys. I'm not suggesting the debate drop, I'm suggesting that people need to remain objective, stop jumping to conclusions and making snap judgments.

[Doug C]

Cassidy wrote :

so how can anyone gauge the quality of the Indy IV jacket based off three or four pictures?

AND

stop jumping to conclusions and making snap judgments.

Seriously? You were also the one who wrote this :

Dunno...looks almost bullet proof to my untrained eye.

Doug C

[Cassidy]

As always, you've proven yourself adept at taking statements out of context.

[djd]

That's a fair point but Todd makes a better jacket than Nowak IMHO. To be honest, looking at Nowaks site his stuff does not look like the top-end product I was expecting. It all looks cheap even if it isn't. I'm sure it's very well made, just not my taste.... the crucial factor for me is that he hasn't understood or doesn't appreciate the essence of the Indy jacket.

With the utmost humble respect and admiration djd, have you WORN Nowak's jacket that would warrant such a statement?

Nowak's website looks like it hasn't changed since 1997, so how can anyone gauge the quality of the Indy IV jacket based off three or four pictures?

Seriously guys. I'm not suggesting the debate drop, I'm suggesting that people need to remain objective, stop jumping to conclusions and making snap judgments.

No I haven't worn Nowaks jacket but we are talking about how it looks here are we not? I don't care if it lasts for a thousand years of hard wear or falls to bits as soon as filming has finished... it's about how it looks on film. Todd makes a better looking Indy jacket IMHO. As I stated above it's only my opinion. I'm entitled to think and say what I like- whether you think it's warranted or not It's really no different to lots of people here not liking the HJ hats in Temple of LC

[Cassidy]

Whoah buddy, if you re-read what I said I meant it in the most respectful way as the internet allows.

You didn't say Todd makes a better "looking" jacket, you said he made a better jacket which is why I was wondering how you could say such a thing.

I'm just going to shut up now before I get in trouble...

[PETER]

I never did and still do not understand why the Raiders jacket has to be modified for each film, after all the character was the same and the same actor so in my mind have something new or different in each film, like the Bond films or the same.
Those without 'the knowlege' would think it was the same jacket in all 4 films whilst others might spot the diffence and call it bad continuety as I do.
Is it an Ego trip for the designers who each have to produce there own version.
I am also sure that Tony Nokes with his own creations was not over proud to be modifying an existing production jacket made by a fellow costumier.
He would as I sooner have made an original new style jacket he could call his own..
Oh and a word for _, like friendly fire, you have pinpointed Wested House and killed the inhabitants whilst I am in the red roofed barn 50 yards further on.
Shall I replicate the multi modified replicate, why not, my replicates have been replicated again and again and who knows the next modified replicate may end up looking like a Riaders Jacket. Full circle.
To those lacking a sense of humour let me clarify. Its a JOKE.
Like Arny I'm back, the shrink could not cure me of Indygearitus despite 2 weeks cold turkey (no internet) although I am restricting myself to daylight viewing lest the horns grow. Another Joke.
Cheers
Peter

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[djd]

Whoah buddy, if you re-read what I said I meant it in the most respectful way as the internet allows.

You didn't say Todd makes a better "looking" jacket, you said he made a better jacket which is why I was wondering how you could say such a thing.

I'm just going to shut up now before I get in trouble...

I also said I'm sure it's very well made so I thought it was obvious that I was refereing to the design and its appearance. I'm sorry if I seemed to bite your head off but I took your other comments as sarcasm! That's what come of being British you see...

[Michaelson]

I never did and still do not understand why the Raiders jacket has to be modified for each film, after all the character was the same and the same actor so in my mind have something new or different in each film, like the Bond films or the same.
Those without 'the knowlege' would think it was the same jacket in all 4 films whilst others might spot the diffence and call it bad continuety as I do.
Is it an Ego trip for the designers who each have to produce there own version.
I am also sure that Tony Nokes with his own creations was not over proud to be modifying an existing production jacket made by a fellow costumier.
He would as I sooner have made an original new style jacket he could call his own..
Oh and a word for _, like friendly fire, you have pinpointed Wested House and killed the inhabitants whilst I am in the red roofed barn 50 yards further on.
Shall I replicate the multi modified replicate, why not, my replicates have been replicated again and again and who knows the next modified replicate may end up looking like a Riaders Jacket. Full circle.
To those lacking a sense of humour let me clarify. Its a JOKE.
Like Arny I'm back, the shrink could not cure me of Indygearitus despite 2 weeks cold turkey (no internet) although I am restricting myself to daylight viewing lest the horns grow. Another Joke.
Cheers
Peter

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Well written, old friend!!!!

Oh, and the photo was to show ME where YOUR missles would be coming from after my terribly worded post above!!

HIGH regards, and good to see you posting again!

Michaelson

[Indiana G]

Shall I replicate the multi modified replicate, why not, my replicates have been replicated again and again and who knows the next modified replicate may end up looking like a Riaders Jacket. Full circle.

i've heard more than once that the raiders hero jacket was put together in a shabby nature with misaligned seams/stitching etc......perhaps because it was a rush order or perhaps because it was only going to be a prototype....and please correct me if i am off base as i don't wish to start any false beliefs.

peter, i don't think it would be possible to actually come full circle and produce the same jacket you did back then because wested's level of craftsmenship is above and beyond the spec of the original jacket from what i understand.....maybe when i come visit, i'll bring a couple bottles of single malt scotch for you and the shop....prior to making a new jacket up for me, yourself and your employees have to consume both bottles.......then we'll get closer to the 'ideal' on my replicate

[Doug C]

PETER wrote :

and who knows the next modified replicate may end up looking like a Riaders Jacket. Full circle.

Nah, It can never come full circle until the correct leather is sourced and Wested hasn't been able to pull that one off either. But the latest version (CS jacket) is [apparently] not going to get very close.

Doug C