Where are the original Raiders jackets today?

CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:26 am

Maybe this has been covered before: if so, I apologise. But does anyone know where any of the Raiders jackets are today? No guessing... Does anyone actually know?

Cheers - CM

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:54 pm

All I know is that if I were Harrisson Ford, I would have kept one for sure. (The one most worn during filming and maybe one undistressed)

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:59 pm

Most likely destroyed or lost either during, or after filming wrapped. Consider that Botwright had to come up with a new jacket pattern for LC due to losing the original patterns. If they had Raiders jackets on hand, wouldn't it be an easy task to simply replicate those jackets?

If there were any jackets still around, my bet is that they'd be buried pretty deep in the Lucas archives...

Dostacos · Post by **Dostacos** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:01 pm

well at least one is in a certain museum

I do believe that Ford has said he has one, along with the hat and rumors have it that the Aldens were provided BY him, and looking at the pictures of the current ones they look to be the same ones

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:09 pm

Dostacos wrote:well at least one is in a certain museum I do believe that Ford has said he has one, along with the hat and rumors have it that the Aldens were provided BY him, and looking at the pictures of the current ones they look to be the same ones

I am pretty sure they had more than one set of Aldens. I have seen one set, and it wasn't at HF's house!

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:11 pm

Dostacos wrote:well at least one is in a certain museum I do believe that Ford has said he has one

I thought that the one in the museum, and the one in Ford's personal collection were both from LC?

After all, if Ford did in fact use HIS jacket for the filming of Mystery of the Blues, then that would make it the same jacket from LC, since it had press studs on it.

Post by **Michaelson** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:05 pm

Rumor has had it that there are two hero jackets still in existance. One is in Ford's possession, and the other in Lucas' possession.

Regards! Michaelson

Dostacos · Post by **Dostacos** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:46 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:
Dostacos wrote:well at least one is in a certain museum I do believe that Ford has said he has one
I thought that the one in the museum, and the one in Ford's personal collection were both from LC?

After all, if Ford did in fact use HIS jacket for the filming of Mystery of the Blues, then that would make it the same jacket from LC, since it had press studs on it.

As I understand it, they used his shoes, of course they would have many more needed for the movies

Dostacos · Post by **Dostacos** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:49 pm

Michaelson wrote:Rumor has had it that there are two hero jackets still in existance. One is in Ford's possession, and the other in Lucas' possession.

Regards! Michaelson

gotta remember my opinion and 89 cents will get ya a coffee at 7/11, and I could not tell the difference between movie jackets if ya bopped me over the head with them

thePawn · Post by **thePawn** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:24 pm

I remember seeing an interview with Ford, and he said he had a whip and Fedora from Raiders but didn't mention a jacket.

I think he kept a whip from TOD and put it up for a charity auction for one of his friend who was sick.

I believe he also has a LC hat which he has worn to several functions promoting the film and Lucasfilms.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:03 am

well at least one is in a certain museum I do believe that Ford has said he has one, along with the hat and rumors have it that the Aldens were provided BY him, and looking at the pictures of the current ones they look to be the same ones

The guy asked where are the original Raiders jackets, not LC jackets. There is no raiders jacket in any museum.

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:42 am

I went to the Smithsonian a few years ago and the jacket was located in a case next to Spocks ear tips, Archie Bunkers chair and a Star Trek phaser from the TV series. I was visiting family and spent a few hours trying to track down that 1 piece in the entire museum. I have a picture of the exibit, I'll look for it and post it later.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:24 pm

PLATON wrote:
well at least one is in a certain museum I do believe that Ford has said he has one, along with the hat and rumors have it that the Aldens were provided BY him, and looking at the pictures of the current ones they look to be the same ones
The guy asked where are the original Raiders jackets, not LC jackets. There is no raiders jacket in any museum.

Well it belongs in a museum.

CM · Post by CM » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:25 pm

Thanks _. Now that is interesting. I wonder if one of those jackets will ever go on display? I just noticed that after 47 years, Anthony Perkins' cord jacket from Psycho has gone on display at Universal. Who would have though it was still around?

Cheers - CM

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:16 am

CM wrote:Thanks _. Now that is interesting. I wonder if one of those jackets will ever go on display? I just noticed that after 47 years, Anthony Perkins' cord jacket from Psycho has gone on display at Universal. Who would have though it was still around?

Cheers - CM

His mother always carefully cared for his things.

Ghos7a55assin · Post by **Ghos7a55assin** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:51 am

.....creepy.

Jonesy · Post by **Jonesy** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:52 am

Actually, as of a couple of days ago, it's been replaced by one of Rod Taylor's jackets from "The Birds."

Dun Dun Dun....

Trebor · Post by **Trebor** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:46 am

Erin Jones wrote:...a Star Trek phaser from the TV series.

I've seen that Phaser at the Smithsonian. The guys on the replica Trek prop boards say it's a very early (early 70's) fan sold replica. I believe they are correct.

Btw, the Star Trek and Star Wars prop guys are just as into the details on their props as most guys here are for the Raider's stuff. You think tracking down the correct gloves, Aldens, etc, is heard, try looking for small electronic bits or industrial parts from the 60's that were used as "gimgaws" on the small hand props.

Bullitt · Post by **Bullitt** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:43 am

The same is true for the Ghostbusters equipment. Many of those electronic and industrial bits and pieces are from the 70's and 80's. Luckily, a lot of the stuff is still available.
There is this one item, the insides of an old calculator, that is used on the Ghostbusters gunbelt. This piece sold for more than $300 a few weeks ago on Ebay. It is only worth like $25!

Most people on the Ghostbusters board were blown away by this.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:18 am

Btw, the Star Trek and Star Wars prop guys are just as into the details on their props as most guys here are for the Raider's stuff.

After seeing the traveling Star Trek display in Vegas last May, I can assure you.....they blow our hobby totally away in that respect.

I mean, in producing the 'timeline' to show the history continuity of every show and member/creature ever produced in a fish bone diagram that wrapped in a continuous display around the entire prop display area.....if someone would put that much effort in finding a cure for cancer, we would have been done with that disease decades ago, let alone the hundreds upon hundreds of prop items (no exaggeration!) that had 'histories' in relationship to OTHER props and THEIR stories......!!!

Folks, we're pikers when compared to those folks......

Regards! Michaelson

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:14 am

I was wondering just yesterday - "What ever happened to the jacket with the bloody bullet hole in the arm.." If we had modern pictures of it, I'd think it would be somewhat easy to compare with what we see on screen. Of course it could be the main jacket Ford wears for all I know...

Doug C

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:30 am

LC Jacket at Smithsonian: display states it was in LC and Raiders both, but we've all figured out it was just LC:

Another LC Jacket from the Archives that was in the Traveling Movie Exhibit I saw in Chicago back in 2004 (displayed with a Bullwhip & Fedora, also both probably LC):

CM · Post by CM » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:33 pm

Sure is LC - just look at those smaller pockets and the large flap.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:48 am

not to mention the collar...

Treadwell · Post by **Treadwell** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:18 am

There was a jacket (from which film I dunno) on display at either the Hard Rock Cafe or Planet Hollywood (not sure) in San Francisco when I was there in 1993. Dunno if the jacket, or even the restaurant, is still there.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:50 am

CM wrote:Sure is LC - just look at those smaller pockets and the large flap.

Not smaller. Shorter. If anything those pockets are wider than normal.

But they are shorter therefore squarer.

Shtick · Post by **Shtick** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:33 am

Treadwell wrote:There was a jacket (from which film I dunno) on display at either the Hard Rock Cafe or Planet Hollywood (not sure) in San Francisco when I was there in 1993. Dunno if the jacket, or even the restaurant, is still there.

The Hard Rock in Newport Beach, CA also had a jacket. Hmm....

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:16 pm

I have heard that the Hard Rock from time to time gets reproduction displays...

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:26 pm

nicktheguy wrote:I have heard that the Hard Rock from time to time gets reproduction displays...

I remember reading on here that Planet Hollywood (I think) displayed an Indy jacket, which was actually just an A2 bomber jacket complete with knitted waist cuffs.

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:46 pm

Generally, I would never trust anything on display in any restaurant or bar to be authentic until proven otherwise.

On what _ said- I often wonder who these private collectors are and where they are... do you think they have some sort of fancy display for their items in their houses or do they store the relics in a vault somewhere...?

It would be great to see an original Raiders jacket...

Toldog07 · Post by **Toldog07** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:22 pm

i wish that somehow we could tell lucas how much we care about the original jacket and get him to give us the specs. Hes probobly got it hanging right in his closet and sees it every day!

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:47 pm

Toldog07 wrote:i wish that somehow we could tell lucas how much we care about the original jacket and get him to give us the specs. Hes probobly got it hanging right in his closet and sees it every day!

I think it's hanging in a frame on his office wall... I remember seeing it in the background in his office in one of those 'Making Of' Star Wars specials.

Ford on the other hand...

CM · Post by CM » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:48 pm

Toldog07 wrote:i wish that somehow we could tell lucas how much we care about the original jacket and get him to give us the specs. Hes probobly got it hanging right in his closet and sees it every day!

Maybe we could start a politely worded petition to request measurements and photos...

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:05 pm

...And I will volunteer to go to his place and take the measurements of the jacket....I wouldn't want to burden any of you with the task..

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:05 pm

CM wrote:
Toldog07 wrote:i wish that somehow we could tell lucas how much we care about the original jacket and get him to give us the specs. Hes probobly got it hanging right in his closet and sees it every day!
Maybe we could start a politely worded petition to request measurements and photos...

Something that begins along the lines of:

"Dear Mr. Lucas, whatever the unwashed masses said about your prequel trilogy, we here at Indygear still think it is the crowning achievement that honors your pure genius as a auteur..."

mwelch8404 · Post by **mwelch8404** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:58 pm

Cassidy wrote:
PLATON wrote:
well at least one is in a certain museum I do believe that Ford has said he has one, along with the hat and rumors have it that the Aldens were provided BY him, and looking at the pictures of the current ones they look to be the same ones
The guy asked where are the original Raiders jackets, not LC jackets. There is no raiders jacket in any museum.
Well it belongs in a museum.

Please don't take any offense -nothing personal - I just can't resist:

"So do you."

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:30 pm

i think the line is:

"so do you!"

sorry, couldn't resist....meds are wearing off

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:13 pm

Michaelson wrote:
Btw, the Star Trek and Star Wars prop guys are just as into the details on their props as most guys here are for the Raider's stuff.
After seeing the traveling Star Trek display in Vegas last May, I can assure you.....they blow our hobby totally away in that respect.

Yup, that's a cast iron fact.

The level of obsessive detail and detective work in hardcore ST and SW propdom is WAAY more intense than what we do here.

But what Indygear has over those things is an imbument of the spirit of real-life adventure which Indy (and Indy gear) encapsulates. It's the only movie-based obsession I know of where you can wear your hobby to work.

Al

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:16 pm

Unless you work on The Death Star or want some very strange looks from your colleagues, that is....

mwelch8404 · Post by **mwelch8404** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:39 pm

Indiana G wrote:i think the line is:

"so do you!"

sorry, couldn't resist....meds are wearing off

I edited mine to correct that - I had to get the DVD and watch it... THen I forgot about my post...

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:01 pm

Re the Stormtrooper pic:

Where's the shot of the cops tasering the Stormtrooper once they have him disarmed?

(I like the shot of the guy walking in the crosswalk in the background, like the arrest of a Trooper is no big thing.)

jasonalun · Post by **jasonalun** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:42 am

I know this is an old thread, but since I happened to visit a museum exhibit that is related to this topic, I thought I'd bump it. I was the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan, where they had a traveling exhibit called "Out Of This World," where they had original screen used costumes and props on display, with blurbs on their history.

I was walking along through there, when lo and behold, they had an original jacket from ROTLA! They also had the headpiece to the staff of Ra and the grail cup. I'm not knowledgeable about the jacket (I'm a fedora guy), so I don't know whether this is authentic, but the sign said it was one of the screen used jackets from ROTLA (not ToD or TLC). It was lent from the private collection of some person I can't remember the name of now, so I would think it is probably authentic.

Here are some pics:

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:24 am

It's from Last Crusade for sure.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:37 am

It looks like the LC jacket that has been shown here before from another traveling exhibit.

CM · Post by CM » Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:56 am

It's distressed like an LC but I don't think it is one. The pocket flaps are not deep enough and where are the snaps on the wind flap? Maybe a stunt jacket. It certainly looks pretty fake that distressing... awful.

Holt? What you think?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:38 am

Looks like it was from around the time of the Kurtz jacket. (Might even BE the Kurtz jacket).

Note the hem stitch.

Do you have any bigger pics?

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:36 am

Do I recall a stunt jacket from LC that was auctioned off or something, KT? That was the Kurtz one, wasn't it?

Post by **Holt** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:21 am

Holt to the rescue....

its this one. no doubt.

see the aging details..

Post by **Holt** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:36 am

but when it comes to the ''Butterfield'' jacket which is said to be an original raiders jacket, but other says its an LC because of the distressing...I believe they are wrong.

I believe that the Butterfield jacket is an old Leather concessionares jacket. if you compare the Butterfield jacket wiht the mid 90's westeds you will notice that they arent that different from eachother.therefore,I believe its an raiders and not an LC....JMO

see why.

* the collar.
* the stormflap
* the pocket shape.
* the pocket piping.
* the pocket placement.

so, the old early and old patterns from wested was not THAT far from some of the original jacket patterns from the production....

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:52 am

jasonalun wrote:I know this is an old thread, but since I happened to visit a museum exhibit that is related to this topic, I thought I'd bump it. I was the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan, where they had a traveling exhibit called "Out Of This World," where they had original screen used costumes and props on display, with blurbs on their history.

I was walking along through there, when lo and behold, they had an original jacket from ROTLA! They also had the headpiece to the staff of Ra and the grail cup. I'm not knowledgeable about the jacket (I'm a fedora guy), so I don't know whether this is authentic, but the sign said it was one of the screen used jackets from ROTLA (not ToD or TLC). It was lent from the private collection of some person I can't remember the name of now, so I would think it is probably authentic.

Here are some pics:

THIS is that jacket _ talked about in the past, that was distressed on site, and not the smithsonian jacket. this actually looks like a new jacket that was distressed. rather than the one from the movie.