Indy IV promo bullwhip; hi-res shot

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:27 pm

http://www.indianajones.com/site/media/ ... 4-1024.jpg

Your thoughts? Look at the big knot in the fall!! Look how it's attached to the cracker! What's going on there?

Is this the same whip we saw before in the on-set shots? The knots all look different to me...

Shane

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:06 pm

Shane, Thats probably one of David Morgan's bullwhips used in the previous films. It one of his older style bullwhips and the popper is attached the way he used to tie them one. Lucas has several bullwhip left over in the archives, and Its not uncommon to see the falls on these movie used whips all knotted and tangled up like that. They just never bothered to untangle it for the photo.

It’s not the same whip as the one shown in the video promos, I’ll be making an announcement reguarding that whip very soon.

Dan

VP · Post by VP » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:11 pm

http://www.indianajones.com/site/media/ ... 3-1600.jpg

Looks way too old to be an Indy 4 one, they prolly dug up some archive stuff to make those fancy new wallpapers.

Paul_Stenhouse · Post by **Paul_Stenhouse** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:41 am

What's also odd is that the wrist loop looks like three plait on the outside, but 4-5 plait on the inside part.

Hmmm

jabahutt70 · Post by **jabahutt70** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:24 am

That is funny, Paul, it does look as you said, with 3 strands on the outside, but more on the inside, lol.
Like Dan said, the big knot in the middle of the fall looks like what used to happen to me back when I first started cracking, all tangled & stuff. Definitely think it's an old photo.

Steve.

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:19 pm

To me it doesn't necessarily look old, but made from either a dark whiskey or dark brown hide. When a whip ages from a natural hide, it is the color of the poster. But the edges of the strands are almost black. Plus it looks like it still has the shellac. Another give away is, if this came from real old stock let's say 18 years ago, that coil you see would be not as tight. The coil would be more oval. Just my thoughts.... My thinking this is new stock, made from a darker hide.

...Update....
Just read the other thread:
viewtopic.php?t=24556&highlight=whip+announcement

My bet is that whip in the poster is a TJ. Or a Strain. Strain makes a gorgeous whiskey color whip that looks like that. The explanation for the fall, is that someone else could have repaired it on the set or at practice sessions. I doubt this is an older Morgan due to the tightness in the coil. It would be very limp and loose. Unless Morgan used a dark hide... Anyway we don't know for sure yet on the poster right? The cat's out of the bag for the big 3 - but it depends on the editing room floor what we get to see on the screen.

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:21 pm

Welcome back, Sergei!

Shane

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:35 pm

IndyMcFly wrote:Welcome back, Sergei!

Shane

Thanks Shane. All is well?

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:56 pm

Yeah, everything's alright. The QM summits have been smaller since the one you went to last... maybe if you come again, it'll convince Michaelson to show up.

How've you been? Where've you been?

Shane

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:15 am

Sergei - great to have you back!
Regarding the picture in this thread - it must have got changed for another wallpaper as the link now shows a different pic. The pic that was originally being discussed showed an older whip coiled on the ground. To my eyes it was definitely a Morgan. Maybe since the announcement of the whipmaker being Jacka, the Morgan promo shots have been deleted?

edit: here's the pic that started this thread off originally:
http://www.indianajones.com/site/media/ ... 2-1024.jpg

VP · Post by VP » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:37 am

And the high res one: http://www.indianajones.com/site/media/ ... 2-1600.jpg

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:19 pm

Geesh now I feel better. Paul was talking about seeing the backside of the wrist strap being different from the front. And I am looking at the above pictures in the thread, saying to myself... auhhh, where is the strap... I even put the image in photoshop to brighten and contrast the picture to see what Paul was seeing. Crazy...

Whipcrack · Post by **Whipcrack** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:58 am

Glad to see you again Sergei, it looks like we finaly know who is making the whips for Indy IV!.

Same song with a little new twist........

Happy New Year!

Bill

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:06 pm

IndyMcFly wrote: The QM summits have been smaller since the one you went to last... maybe if you come again, it'll convince Michaelson to show up. Shane

Ya never know....

Regards! Michaelson

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:10 pm

Nothing is impossible.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:40 am

I'll have to ressurect discussion of the promo "fedora and whip on the crate", as I'm curious as to who people believe made the whip in this picture? Could it be a Joe Strain?

giovanniceleste · Post by **giovanniceleste** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:42 am

Hello Segei welcome back on board

Gio

Darth Indiana · Post by **Darth Indiana** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:23 am

has the site changed, or am i goind blind? You guys are talking about knots in the fall, and plaits in the wrist loop. I don't see an knot inn the fall apart from th one attaching it to the thong, and i can't see the wrist loop at all. WTF?

stealthboy · Post by **stealthboy** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:39 am

I was similarly confused. But I found this image, maybe this is the one they are talking about:

http://www.indianajones.com/site/media/ ... 6-1024.jpg

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:22 am

While I originally thought the bullwhip in the first promo poster with the fedora and wooden crate was one of the new David Morgan bullwhips, You might be on to something Castor. Let me check into it more and see if I can dig up more information.

Darth Indiana, the site address got changed. Stealthboy posted a link to the images we were talking about. That is an older Morgan bullwhip that the Lucasfilm archives had on hand.

Dan

Indiana Cromeens · Post by **Indiana Cromeens** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:04 pm

I bet cash that this whip is a strain, I have a saddle tan that looks just like it, also the fall looks like a latigo fall, and all the whips strain supplied for Indy 4 have latigo falls

Ark Hunter · Post by **Ark Hunter** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:15 pm

stealthboy wrote:I was similarly confused. But I found this image, maybe this is the one they are talking about:

http://www.indianajones.com/site/media/ ... 6-1024.jpg

Same here.

The one on the crate looks very new and stiff. Maybe even shellacked.