Special Offer Authentic Raiders

GoneSolo · Post by **GoneSolo** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:24 pm

Hey guys. I searched for topics pertaining to this jacket offering,

http://www.ekmpowershop4.com/ekmps/shop ... n-70-p.asp

however, I did not find anything. Has this been spoken about? Are there any pros or cons compared to the normal jacket? According to the site, it is less durable.

raider 57 · Post by **raider 57** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:13 pm

Huh? Never heard of or saw that. Our experts need to weigh in on this one. Looks good though.....................

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:18 pm

[EDIT colour correction]

Turns out my original pics of these were WAY off colourwise. And here's me telling AC about HIS monitor!

On placing one next to my authentic brown lamb I can get a much better appreciation of the colour. Now it is lightly lighter and slightly yellower is really is not very far off authentic brown... so here you go colour corrected images follow.

GoneSolo · Post by **GoneSolo** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:48 pm

As always, KT is on the ball. My job blocks images that are hotlinked so I will take a look at them later. Thanks for the help sir.

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:03 pm

Can anybody tell if that's got rect. sliders?

Looks good though...

In Christ,
Shane

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:26 pm

Can anybody tell if that's got rect. sliders?

yup....and pretty long straps from what i can see. looks to be a very great OTR jacket IMO. well done wested.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:55 am

The colour in the first 2 pictures is strange but I know how badly lamb reacts to cameras.
125 pounds though? Wow. If it only had the joke an inch higher I would have regretted ordering one this summer.

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:30 am

Great looking jacket, KT.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:07 am

ob1al wrote:Great looking jacket, KT.

Thanks AL, the jacket isn't mine. I took a few shots last time I was at the barn for reference.

.

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:39 pm

So is the lack of leather inside facings and a heavy duty brass zip what makes this jacket less "streetwise"? How often and how fast are people zipping up and down?

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:03 pm

I feel a little ripped off after buying basically the same thing for 165 pounds... I guess the early bird doesn't always get the worm...

Shawnkara · Post by **Shawnkara** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:27 am

I wonder what exactly makes it more "delicate"? Looks to be constructed like every other Wested I've owned, in terms of the great quality. Is it just the lack of leather facings? I know a lining can wear out kinda quick without those.

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:05 am

That's what it sounds like from the website description. It also says the body is "slimmer." I have no idea if that's a reflection of the leather construction or just the pattern. Never seen one in person.
From the pics it looks like a nice jacket.

WeeMadHamish · Post by **WeeMadHamish** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:26 am

Modern Westeds are cut roomier to reflect that, in general, we're all a lot roomier these days... extra width in the chest, looser sleeves. The "slimmer" version has a tighter fit around the chest, slimmer sleeves, narrower arm holes... the so-called "80's fit" coveted for it's screen accuracy.

So yeah, it's a different pattern than their standard off-the-rack Raiders jackets.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:44 am

It's sort of the old 'feast or famine' situation. Folks WANT the SA jacket in their closet, but do not have the body to match Ford's body shape in 1981.

I've read as many 'complaint' posts by folks who DID purchase the tapered 'SA' Wested jackets that didn't fit because THEY were larger in areas that the jacket couldn't cover, so they faulted the jacket design. I have read those same number of posts by folks who have jackets that are the larger cut models that fit, but aren't satisfied that theirs is not 'SA' due to the fact they're not the '80's fit' versions.

So, which is it? Do you want SA and look rediculous trying to squeeze into something not made to fit you, or go larger and sacrifice the perceived screen accuracy?

Tough choice, but I'm sure the right decision will be made. Just use common sense. You'll be happier, and I KNOW Peter will be too.

Regards! Michaelson

Indiana Johnson · Post by **Indiana Johnson** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:20 am

I bought my HH in the slim fit pattern, but for me that was best, because I am a rather slender fellow.

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:40 am

Yeah, if I could get away with it (read; 35 lbs lighter), I'd go for the 80's fit. It just looks better IMO. But that's not happening. Best to be honest with yourself when you're shopping for a $300+ jacket.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:53 am

Chewbacca Jones wrote: Best to be honest with yourself when you're shopping for a $300+ jacket.

Amen to that!

Regards! Michaelson

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:55 am

OR...you can buy the 80's cut as an incentive to start working out to lose the weight to fit into it.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:57 am

Yep....but in my case, I choose the lazy man's path....

Regards! Michaelson

rick5150 · Post by **rick5150** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:34 pm

It may be the pictures, but the stitching looks terrible. Not straight or tight-looking at all... Most noticable in the first 2 pictures. Look at the second pictures storm flap stitching. It is all over the place.

raider 57 · Post by **raider 57** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:46 pm

Indiana Johnson wrote:I bought my HH in the slim fit pattern, but for me that was best, because I am a rather slender fellow.

Being rather skinny myself,one of these jackets could work well for me. Hey Indy Johnson! How do you feel about the "durablity" on yours?? Is it really all that "delicate"?? raider 57

eazybox · Post by **eazybox** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:05 pm

rick5150 wrote:It may be the pictures, but the stitching looks terrible. Not straight or tight-looking at all... Most noticable in the first 2 pictures. Look at the second pictures storm flap stitching. It is all over the place.

In my experience stitching problems and inaccuracies are common with Westeds. One of the sleeves on my Wested custom lambskins is 1/2 " shorter than the other. Overall, though, I was satisfied with the construction of the 3 jackets I owned.

The main problem I've had has been customer service and communication. You might experience problems even getting through to Wested to place your initial order. And if your order has problems and you need to return it, you may face additional hassles, delays and expense trying to get the problem resolved.

To be blunt, it seems to me as though Wested could easily improve these customer service problems, but for some reason they just won't. Perhaps their almost mythical status as a sacred COW has something to do with it.

Until the situation improves, in my opinion it might be a good idea to wait until the Indy 4 jacket is made available, since reportedly it will be very well made and also made in the U.S.A., which, in my case anyway, reduces shipping expenses.

Jack

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:54 pm

To be blunt, it seems to me as though Wested could easily improve these customer service problems, but for some reason they just won't.

I've been saying this for years and years. Nobody can quite figure out why they just refuse to address it. They can save so much money and time as well as the customers money and time. It would be so simple to just check the orders against the order sheet before they're shipped.

Peter...O'Peter, why won't you understand?

Indiana Snipes · Post by **Indiana Snipes** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:33 pm

This is kinda awesome, might I assume that this jacket would have more of the fit of a motorcycle jacket (in terms of more tight fitting)? If this is true I might have to jump on this I'd like to know the specific measurements of it though so I make sure I got the right size.

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:42 pm

I just picked up one of these: http://www.ekmpowershop4.com/ekmps/shop ... n-75-p.asp

It came today, I ordered it about a week ago. This is the fastest shipping I have ever seen from Wested. Granted this is an off the rack jacket I am still surprised. I really like the hide, it is something different from my other Westeds. I would recommend picking one up if you are looking for a different look on an Indy jacket.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:06 am

To KT Templar and Bogie1943, is it really a different hide than what is normally offered? I'm a little confused, since Wested's site claims the jacket is made from Authentic Lamb, but is this a different leather (albeit same color) altogether?

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:44 am

My special offer Raiders is made of the "crunch lambskin". It's a bit lighter in color than the regular authentic lamb and has a slight pre-distressed look to it. Right now Wested has two different "Special Offer Jackets". The crunch lambskin and the authentic lambskin.

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:16 am

So, is the absence of leather facings what makes this version more "delicate?"
I swear I had read a post from someone saying the leather was actually thinner, but that seems to be gone.

eazybox · Post by **eazybox** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:23 am

Arca Perdida wrote:So, is the absence of leather facings what makes this version more "delicate?"
I swear I had read a post from someone saying the leather was actually thinner, but that seems to be gone.

Yes, I think one of the earlier posts was removed for some reason. Wish I could help, but I've only seen photos of this jacket.

Jack

mark seven · Post by **mark seven** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:54 am

Thanks for the heads up Gonesolo!,I've just ordered one now..fingers crossed they as nice as they look in the pics

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:40 am

Both jackets a somewhat lighter in weight than the regular in lambskin.

I think this is part of Peter wanting to offer more affordable non custom jackets, and, add a bit of variety to the leather types.

The Crunch is slightly lighter and the Authentic Brown noticeably lighter in weight than regular lamb. At least that how it appeared to me on picking them up.

In this batch the Crunch has facings but the Authentic does not. Also the facings mean that the end of the zipper on the crunch is slightly further away from the bottom of the jacket than the Authentic.

The Crunch has the larger facings on the pocket whereas the Authentic brown has the narrow piping.

I believe both jackets have back elastic installed.

Thumbnails follow:

moses · Post by **moses** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:55 am

Is the crunch lambskin the same leather as the predist. lamb jackets that some folks picked up some months ago? And are these also 80s fit?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:32 am

moses wrote:Is the crunch lambskin the same leather as the predist. lamb jackets that some folks picked up some months ago? And are these also 80s fit?

Yes, it is the slimmer fit.

Afaik this leather is different to the other "worn look lamb".

rick5150 · Post by **rick5150** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:30 am

Are these actually made by Wested in England, or are they subbed out?

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:35 am

It's my understanding they're subbed out, Rick, as none of these I've seen has had the tag 'made by British Craftsmen' installed so prominently in sight as they do in the custom Wested jackets.

Regards! Michaelson

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:36 am

Michaelson wrote:It's my understanding they're subbed out, Rick, as none of these I've seen has had the tag 'made by British Craftsmen' installed so prominently in sight as they do in the custom Wested jackets.

Regards! Michaelson

Well that, and KT's explanation makes me feel much better

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:37 am

It's the main reason why they are so much cheaper.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:37 am

Well, good!

Personally, I need another cup of coffee and two asperin myself. My head's pounding at the moment.

Regards! Michaelson

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:09 am

Michaelson wrote: Personally, I need another cup of coffee and two asperin myself. My head's pounding at the moment.

Maybe if you'd stop doing this

so often, that would cut down on the headaches.

I think it's a good looking jacket, perfect for the average fan who just wants a jacket, but isn't nearly as tweaky as a lot of us around here.

Bullitt · Post by **Bullitt** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:16 pm

What struck me in KT's latest pictures is that the arm seams are actually higher than the yoke. I thought it was standard with Wested that they even them out, while the SA Raiders look is actually with a higher yoke.

Lee Keppler · Post by **Lee Keppler** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:15 pm

Personally, I think that as a lower priced alternative, regardless of a few inaccuracies, that Peter has done a fantastic job on this one!

Kudos Peter!

Toldog07 · Post by **Toldog07** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:13 pm

I'd be interested to hear PLATON's take on this jacket. As well as agent5's. They are the biggest sticklers for screen accuracy that i know.

It looks pretty good to me.

moses · Post by **moses** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:21 am

Bogie1943 wrote:My special offer Raiders is made of the "crunch lambskin". It's a bit lighter in color than the regular authentic lamb and has a slight pre-distressed look to it. Right now Wested has two different "Special Offer Jackets". The crunch lambskin and the authentic lambskin.

Would you post some pics?

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:39 am

http://www.ekmpowershop4.com/ekmps/shop ... n-75-p.asp

moses · Post by **moses** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:04 pm

I meant pics of him wearing his jacket

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:05 pm

viewtopic.php?t=20861

moses · Post by **moses** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:20 pm

I was under the impression that this "crunch" lambskin was a different hide to the previously posted "worn-look"lambskin. Am I mistaken?

mark seven · Post by **mark seven** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:05 am

Recieved my jacket on friday-2 days delivery!-

.It came with d-rings(which I have swapped for a spare set of sliders),shoulder pads(which I have removed) and an extra inside pocket with zip(which I've taken out to improve the drape),also the sleeves were 2 inches too long(at this moment being altered for me).A LOT of work and though I've saved £50(£30 after having the sleeves done) I wouldn't buy another OTR jacket.Overall though I'm happy with the qaulity,it's a nice Raiders jacket..no dodgy stitching(I'm loving the nickel zip),plus after wearing horsehide and goat,lamb is(in KT's word

)luxury!

rigor · Post by **rigor** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:05 am

Can anyone supply measurements from a size 44 Special Offer Raiders? I could use the length across the yoke, chest size with pleats closed, heck better get the waist/bottom edge measurement too, and especially sleeve length.

Quasimodo must have been a relative of mine. I need a big yoke, but that means I'm swimming with room in the chest if the jacket has the current pattern.

Going to the slimmer 80s pattern on a jacket with a big yoke (that is, I'll go to the next bigger size) could solve all my problems! (I was griping about my frame in my bespoke post: viewtopic.php?t=24245.) Funny to think I might get a better fit from an OTP jacket than a custom one!

Does anyone know if Wested jackets used the 80s pattern back in 1999?