BROWN, not black, pecard weather dressing

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:54 pm

i was curious to see if anyone tried this on brown leather to get it really, really dark (instead of just the brown pecard).

would this work or is it a bad idea altogether? i spoke to eric at pecard and he didn't recommend it.

ydam · Post by **ydam** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:06 pm

not something i have tried but something i do plan on trying. I have used the brown and it seems to add brown little by little. I dont think the black would work any different. Anyway, if you try this before i get around to it let me know how it works out for you.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:15 pm

If Eric recommended not trying it, I'd take that to the bank.

He's VP in charge of Research and Development at Pecards.

Regards! Michaelson

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:29 pm

not something i have tried but something i do plan on trying. I have used the brown and it seems to add brown little by little. I dont think the black would work any different. Anyway, if you try this before i get around to it let me know how it works out for you.

what kind of leather were you trying it on ydam?

ydam · Post by **ydam** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:22 pm

i havnt tried it yet. I was thinking about trying it on my holster, but seeing as how Michaelson says this might not be one of my brighter ideas i think i am going to test it on just some scrap leather to see what kind of affect it has on it before i get all gun-hoe about using it on my holster.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:58 pm

i meant the brown pecards....not the black.

was it on veg tanned leather, or predistressed, chrome tanned, alden's calf skin?

ydam · Post by **ydam** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:26 pm

Indiana G wrote:i meant the brown pecards....not the black.

was it on veg tanned leather, or predistressed, chrome tanned, alden's calf skin?

Ahhhh...lol...sorry i misunderstood ya. I have used the brown on numerous pieces of my indy gear. The one i used it on the most though was my gun holster. I probably used about 4 or 5 coats of it on that. It got to the point where it wasnt gettin any darker so i havent put any on for a while. I also used a coat on my aldens and my whip. One coat would darken them just a little and evenly as long as you got it rubbed in nice and good. If you really need to darken somthing though you will have to use multiple coats. I can get some pics of how much my holster darkened if you want. I think i have a pic on my PC of it before i used any pecards and how it looks after a few coats of the brown.

ydam · Post by **ydam** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:06 pm

ok...here is my holster practicly new from NH. I havent even got the funky waxy coating off of it yet. You can basicly see how dark the pecards turned the holster. I did add a little bit of black gunk just to make it seem a bit more worn and give it some more character. For the most part though you can see how it did darken the leather.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:22 pm

thanks ydam! that's exactly what i was looking for

i should be getting my brown pecard's this week....can't wait!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:43 pm

so i caked my preshurnk veg tanned lamb wested with brown pecards....i extremely enjoyed the outcome but have noticed that its not as soft as when i treated it with regular pecard dressing.

if i do over it again with the regular pecard, will it turn out as soft as it was previously?

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:58 pm

Brown Pecards IS standard Pecards, but with a brown tint to help aid in the concealment of scratches....so I'm not sure you're going to change a thing with a reapplication of standard dressing.

Just wear it, and it will wear in and the jacket will soften back up to the way you remember it.

Regards! Michaelson

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:13 am

I might be completely off the mark here, but I believe that the reason for your jacket being not as it used to be may be due to the use of standard Pecards instead of the lotion, given that the jacket is lamb?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that perhaps applying standard dressing to lambskin may stiffen it up a little?

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:59 am

i may have overdone it with the blowdryer just to get the excess off. may need another coat of pecard....can't use too much of that stuff anyways...no?

ydam · Post by **ydam** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:43 am

Michaelson wrote:Brown Pecards IS standard Pecards, but with a brown tint to help aid in the concealment of scratches...
Regards! Michaelson

Is the Black the same, except with a black tint instead of brown?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:48 am

Indiana G wrote:i may have overdone it with the blowdryer just to get the excess off. may need another coat of pecard....can't use too much of that stuff anyways...no?

It is possible to oversaturate the leather with conditioner, maybe go easy

.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:35 am

ydam wrote:
Michaelson wrote:Brown Pecards IS standard Pecards, but with a brown tint to help aid in the concealment of scratches...
Regards! Michaelson
Is the Black the same, except with a black tint instead of brown?

That is correct.

If you get TOO much saturation in the leather, you can reverse a lot of it bu using a hairdryer, putting it on low heat, the holding it on the area that has to much dressing. As the Pecards liquifies out of the leather, just wipe it off with a clean rag.

Regards! Michaelson

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:21 pm

all right......i think i've reached a reddish 'authentic brown' with my brown pecard. i ordered some black pecard and will give her a go. my jacket and i will be pilgrim's in an unholy land........

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:50 pm

got my black pecards.......gonna fire up the laboratory and give her a go! i've already tried behind the pocket flap and it looks good to me.

eric also sent me a little 1 oz tin of boot oil. i tried that on the pocket flap as well and gave me similar results as the black pecard.....maybe if black doesn't give me enough ooooomph i'll get some boot oil too......then who knows where it will end after that..............."uhm hello.....mrs. nadoolman-landis.....are you home???....i can see you in the window......i got a jacket here that i'd like for you to look at.....i also got my swiss army knife.....no..no no no no....don't call the police!!! the knife is for distressing only...........{indy g jumps into the bushes as the five O pulls up}"

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:15 am

Indiana G wrote:got my black pecards.......gonna fire up the laboratory and give her a go! i've already tried behind the pocket flap and it looks good to me.

eric also sent me a little 1 oz tin of boot oil. i tried that on the pocket flap as well and gave me similar results as the black pecard.....maybe if black doesn't give me enough ooooomph i'll get some boot oil too......then who knows where it will end after that..............."uhm hello.....mrs. nadoolman-landis.....are you home???....i can see you in the window......i got a jacket here that i'd like for you to look at.....i also got my swiss army knife.....no..no no no no....don't call the police!!! the knife is for distressing only...........{indy g jumps into the bushes as the five O pulls up}"

Indiana G, a moment of silence for your jacket before we proceed...

This isn't a razz or anything, but it really takes guts to turn away advice from the head of marketing for Pecards himself, and instead, trust your gut instinct... What's that old saying? "You're either incredibly brave, or incredibly *[brave]."

I'm pulling for ya on this one!

Footnote: *[brave] has been edited for moral support

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:53 pm

it worked!

the ps veg tanned lamb soaked up the black and made the hue considerabley darker. in certain lights, she still exhibits a reddish/russet tone but in most flourescent lighting she's like a chocolate brown now. i think it looks more SA than when i first got her......still not as SA as i'd like but nonetheless a great jacket all in all.

she's still got that glossy "just ate pecard dressing" look so when it's toned down a little, i will post some pics

ydam · Post by **ydam** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:01 am

all i have to say is....
;0

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:28 am

I'll be very interested in hearing how it weathers out after a while. That will be the proof of the pudding, as they say.

Regards! Michaelson

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:26 pm

a pic to share. you will see the original color on the leather facing at the bottom of the back panel (in the middle). like i said, pics don't really do it justice.....i definitely like the outcome of this experiment

i wouldn't try this on the standard chromed leather....but veg tanned leather has unique characteristics that seem to make it work.

btw....this is about 1/2 a 4oz tin of brown pecards and about 1/4 of a 4 oz tin of black....and maybe 2 or 3 coats of standard pecards at the very start.

and here's a before pic (2 coats of reg pecard):

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:09 am

Indiana G wrote:a pic to share. you will see the original color on the leather facing at the bottom of the back panel (in the middle). like i said, pics don't really do it justice.....i definitely like the outcome of this experiment

i wouldn't try this on the standard chromed leather....but veg tanned leather has unique characteristics that seem to make it work.

btw....this is about 1/2 a 4oz tin of brown pecards and about 1/4 of a 4 oz tin of black....and maybe 2 or 3 coats of standard pecards at the very start.

and here's a before pic (2 coats of reg pecard):

GIVE ME THAT JAR OF BLACK PECARDS!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:44 pm

i think you'll need some brown too castor

keep in mind that results are not overnight and it takes a while between applications. i love the results though. i wish i could get it as dark as THE jacket but that had the advantage of mink oil and shoe polish. i think i got her as close as this hide can get to authentic brown and perhaps a tadd darker/russet'er. she'll do for now.....till peter can find a bang on seal brown in veg tanned lamb.

ydam · Post by **ydam** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:29 pm

yup...i think the experiment was a success. Looks great G!!!!

mufflowne · Post by **mufflowne** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:18 pm

Brilliant!
i'll be sure to try the black & brown dressing! The leather gets nice and dark with every coat of pecards but boy am i excited, I want some of that black dressing.

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:05 pm

Have you worn the jacket with the new black pecards all over it yet?

Have you worn it say, in the car, or on some other type of seat to see
if the dark color transfers onto that seat?

Be careful with this. You are not changing the dye color of the leather,
but only putting a darker color polish on the surface.

Its basically black shoe polish added to the Pecards that gives it the
color for hiding scratches and scuffs. Its not really intended to change
the color of an entire jacket, and thats why Eric suggested NOT to do
it.

Alot of polishes will transer some color when they come in contact with other items.
For example, have you ever got dark marks on stuff that
your dress shoes or boots rub against after they have been polished?

Just be careful, and do a check to make sure you are not going to be
putting nice dark marks all over your chairs or car seats.

Flathead