short handled bullwhip

mrrymen2 · Post by **mrrymen2** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:44 am

Here is a short handled bullwhip Terry made recently. I thought it was a little unusual considering the handle length he usually uses. I don't think I have a photo of a bullwhip of his with handle length less than 10 inches.
The info on it says 8 ft. 12 plait with 7 inch handle.
I just thought it was worth posting knowing what he thinks of this style of whip.

regards .....littlejohn

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Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:07 pm

Hmmmm Now that is intresting, Its very Indyesque. Thanks for posting that!

Dan

Jaredraptor · Post by **Jaredraptor** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:24 pm

Yes, 'tis very Indy.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:36 pm

Looks more like a modern morgan ...

C3

Jaredraptor · Post by **Jaredraptor** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:41 pm

I wouldn't know. The only bullwhip I've ever gotten a good look at is mine.

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:32 pm

Just as a speculation, I find it interesting that the bullwhip trainer for Indy 4 happens to favor using Terry’s bullwhips.

Dan

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:20 pm

At least it's not Alex Green. I met him before, and that guy is an *** (Moderator edit, we get the point). Anthony DeLongis is pretty cool, from what I've seen. Whatever happened to Glenn Randall? Last I heard, he was the stunt coordinator for The Mask of Zorro.

WhipDude · Post by **WhipDude** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:51 pm

Alex Green is? Interesting. Would have never guessed. Would sort of like to hear your reason being for such information but I'm sure talking about something on the forum like that wouldn't be acceptable.

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:15 pm

I attended the 2000 WWAC national convention in Las Vegas, and was eager to meet the man who trained Anthony Hopkins and Antonio Banderas for The Mask of Zorro. Long story short, he seemed very disinterested to talk shop with an enthusiastic young whip artist, and blew me off with some John Wayne-sounding Hollywood cliche' like "Go get a cup of coffee and quit bothering me, kid." Then he walked away and I'm thinking: "You're just a whip trainer. How bad do you really think you are?" Very unprofessional considering the WWAC's purpose, and I was flatly unimpressed with him.

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:04 am

I remember hearing about the run in you had with him in Las Vegas shortly after it happened and how disappointed you where. I’ve never had much contact with the Alex Green, so I can’t comment on his personality but other people here know him and have had more positive experiences with him. Professionally I think Alex would have done an ok job, He’s been working in the business along time and is well established, However, Anthony Delongis was a much better choice in my opinion and was who I was pulling for to get the job, based on his ability and style of whip work.

I really haven’t heard anything about Glenn Randall of late, I believe Gery Powell is the stunt coordinator for Indy 4, so I don’t believe Glenn is involved with the project. He was never really a whip bullwhip “specialist” though even back when the first movies came out, he just knew basic stuff. Anyway, not to take over littlejohn’s thread, I’d really like to hear the back ground on this bullwhip.

Dan

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:14 am

Whatever happened to Glenn Randall?

Not to stray this thread too far of course, but I thought I'd chime in and say that Glenn Randall was the stunt coordinator at the Disney Indy Stunt Show in 2000 for the grand re-opening. I was there for the second show.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:01 pm

I know this post is from a while back, but I wanted to bump it up to the top of the forum to see if anyone else thinks this whip pictured is one of the whips made for Indy IV?

There might be some arguments about the color, but I have a feeling the whips we've seen in the promo shots were heavily used in training for the film, so that probably darkened them up.

What do you guys think?

-Adam

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:37 pm

Adam,

I was told that all of the bullwhips that he made that where to be used in Indy 4 where 10 ft long while this one was an 8ft. Clearly this is the style though and your right the whiskey brown kangaroo hide that he uses looks very light when new, but darkens up pretty quick to that deeper mahogany brown.

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:38 pm

Very close, yes. But this is just judging from the only picture we've been given of the whip itself, over at aussiesaddle.

Bernardodc · Post by **Bernardodc** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:39 pm

To me, the whip above is not one of the KOTCS whips. First the color is diferent, as this one looks much lighter. The one carried by HF is a dark reddish brown (whisky). Second, both knots on the KOTCS are black.

Again, to me, the whip in the pic above looks like a prototype of the Indy 4 whip.

I have recently ordered one of the latest Jacka bullwhips, but in the standard long handle (11") version, to check Terry's work upclose.

Interestingly, it's the same color as the KOTCS whip. I'm going to take some pics of it and post them when I get the time.

Bernardo

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:50 pm

I don't think the knots on the KotCS whip are black. I think they were cut from a different hide or a different part of the kangaroo hide than the overlay of the whip was cut from, so they darkened differently.

I'm working on a KotCS-style bullwhip right now, and I'm thinking of making the knots brandy, and the body will be whiskey.

-Adam

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:44 pm

Ooooo...sounds pretty

Bernardodc · Post by **Bernardodc** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:02 pm

In my head this looks like a black knot

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When I ordered my new Jacka from DM, I asked Meagan to select for me the best of the whips in stock, and she mentioned that Terry's newest whips came with knots of a very different color from the thong. It seems to be the latest trend among Terry's whips. For example, on my whip the knots are natural tan! Looked kind of funny at first, but I now got used to them. I plan to change them and tie new knots in black, though.

Bernardo

winrichwhips · Post by **winrichwhips** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:23 pm

That knot looks brandy to me, which is close to black, but not quite black

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So, Bernardo, when you make your Jacka copy, will you use cable in the core? I've heard that Terry now uses fiberglass rod for the handle foundation, and then has a length of steel cable for the core after the end of the handle.

I have one cable-cored bullwhip that I like, by Drew Schrag, but of the Jacka's I've seen with cable cores, I thought they were too heavy for my taste. With the KOTCS-styled whip I'm working on now, I went with an all-leather core and skipped the cable, but I'd like to give the cable a try when I have more time.

Right now I've stopped taking further orders as I'll be away in Arizona and California performing for a few months. Now I'm thinking I might stop taking orders all together so I can make the whips I want to make in between whipcracking gigs.

I'd really like to have the time to make a couple KotCS whips to see how close I can get to the pics we have, as opposed to having 2 months' worth of IOAB orders weighing me down (which is what this past year was like).

Bernardo, what do you think of your new Jacka whip?

-Adam

Bernardodc · Post by **Bernardodc** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:38 pm

Adam,

Well, one whipmaker told me that Terry added steel cable after the handle, and another whipmaker who has taken many Jackas apart told me that there's no steel cable, only heavy binding at the transition zone.

I haven't taken my whip apart to see what's in there, and to be honest, I bought it only to study Terry's style, and after I'm done I'll put it on ebay.

To the best of my x-ray vision, I doesn't look or feel like there's a steel cable in there. There's a tiny gap in the braid and I can see the heavy binding reinforcing the transition zone that extends up to the 2ft mark!

The handle feels pretty light, so it is clearly made of nylon. The thong is very thick (actually thicker than a Morgan), so this makes the whip feel very, very heavy.

For my taste, I prefer the weight and balance of a Morgan. I like how the heavy handle balances the heavy thong.

My version of the KOTCS won't follow the Jacka construction. Instead is going to be a whip that feels and behaves like a Morgan, but with the Indy 4 looks. I hope to have the time to make one soon.

Bernardo