Adventurebilt shirts arrived :-)

djd · Post by **djd** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:37 am

Maybe so!

Mountaineer Lasher · Post by **Mountaineer Lasher** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:27 am

I would also be interested in the "taking the plunge" discounted price, if (like almost everybody else) it's not too expensive. Once you have it fine tuned Marc, can you provide us with the best size compared to our (provided) dress shirt sizes?

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:45 am

I know nothing about the original shirt. I am hoping the guys here who do know will steer Marc in the right direction. What I noticed right off are the buttons. The NH buttons are sewn on with the button holes catter cornered. That is, the 4 holes in the button are positioned so the button holes form a triangle. The prototype has the buttons spun so the holes create a square.

I want the hat shirt exactly like the old NH, since I have heard his new ones vary from the old. I also want that thin material that NH used in my shirt, before he started making shirts again. Great for southern summers.

And I want them cheap enough so I can actually afford to wear them.

Since I paid so much for my NH shirts, I just look at them.

But, looks like you have a good start on this Marc. Hope we can sell them for half the price of the others. That would make me more excited about a new offering.

Fedora

Flash Gordon · Post by **Flash Gordon** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:15 pm

The epaulettes should be a little longer. Other than that, the shirt looks terrific!

Again, about the price, that's a big consideration. I'd buy a few if the price was low enough. If you're talking in the $40-$50 range or so, that would be just about right.

Can't wait!

Farnham54 · Post by **Farnham54** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:44 pm

If it's under 50 USD, I'll "take the plunge" on one--maybe 2.

Cheers
Craig

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:29 pm

All your inputs have been added to the list of changes. I'd like to use this opportunity to thank you all for your highly appreciated help, especially Agent5 who's been nothing but amazing with his help!!! As with the hats, I wouldn't have been able to get all details together just by myself. So thank you!

I'll most probably get the final quotation this very Saturday and then I can let you know what exactly we'll be charging. I have a very carefull quotation incl. the 2200 yards min. requirement of textile that have to be bought. Unless the shirt maker increases his prices due to all the picky changes the prices will be like following:

For people who are willing to support us, we'll offer a certain amount of shirts that can be pre-ordered (not yet) for 50 Euro (round about 65$) plus shipping, which should only be a few bucks. So that would be round about half of a NH shirt.

Once the pre-orders are spoken for, the price will be 60 Euro (round about 80$) plus shipping.

Ok, let's hope that there won't be any price increase and that everything will turn out as planned.

Regards,

Marc

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:38 pm

That would make it pretty much the same price as the Wested shirt, wouldn't it?

IndyFan89 · Post by **IndyFan89** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:38 pm

When can i order one. Mark me down i definetly want it.

VP · Post by VP » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:40 pm

I still want information on the size.

VP wrote:I wear a size 43-17 dress shirt, am 188cms tall (6'2") and I have a 105cm chest (41.3"), would that put me in a size M or L shirt?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:57 pm

In that case mark me interested Marc!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:10 pm

i'm in for 2 please. i'm generally a large (almost universally which is a good thing)....let us know when to fire wads of cash at you

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:15 pm

That would make it pretty much the same price as the Wested shirt, wouldn't it?

To be perfectly honest, I don't know

I have tryed to get the price down as low as possible, with keeping one eye at the costs and that's what the calculater came up with. I read that the NH is 65British Pound the other day, but other than that, I really haven't been eyeballing other vendors prices...

When can i order one. Mark me down i definetly want it.

When I get the final quotation and the guarantee that everything will be as desired. I don't know when this will be.

@VP: I haven't forgotten your question. I'll let you know as soon as I know.

Regards,

Marc

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:27 pm

Marc wrote:
That would make it pretty much the same price as the Wested shirt, wouldn't it?
To be perfectly honest, I don't know I have tryed to get the price down as low as possible, with keeping one eye at the costs and that's what the calculater came up with. I read that the NH is 65British Pound the other day, but other than that, I really haven't been eyeballing other vendors prices...

Wested's site shows their shirt for 39 British Pounds and Magnoli lists his for $89. Depending how the sizing of your shirt offering is, I could see maybe scraping up enough for the pre-order price. I understand you have to be able to cover your costs when all is said and done, but apart from close enoughs, I have yet to see a good Indy shirt which really stands apart with no other competition in its price range. I was kind of hoping the $50-$65 range would end up being your retail price. Just my opinion, though.

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:48 pm

Marc put one of them to the other stuff you are holding for me will ya?

Cheers,
Red

djd · Post by **djd** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:01 pm

Marc, I'd certainly be interested at that price. Stick my name down for one. Thanks

Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:16 pm

Ditto, I'd definitely be interested. Put my name down for it.

:junior: -IJ

IndyFan89 · Post by **IndyFan89** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:07 pm

Marc wrote:When I get the final quotation and the guarantee that everything will be as desired. I don't know when this will be.

I can't wait!

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:44 am

Marc

Put me down for a large!

Coronado3

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:39 am

Marc, when they contact you for a hat, give them a shirt too.

I'll get a Medium.

One pointer: if you study the pics will see that HF shirt had narrower sleeves than the shirt NH is offering now. Check it and you will see.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:46 am

Understood.

Well, unfortunately it's kind of like committing to PLATON's trouser offer....without some kind of input as to a price, it's hard to say 'sure, put me down for one' at this time.

Guess I'll have to watch and wait...

Regards! Michaelson/Mark (with a 'K')

Shall I put you down for a pair of trousers as well?

rebelgtp · Post by **rebelgtp** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:28 am

hmmm at that price i'll bite the bullet and get one. put me on the list as well.

independent · Post by **independent** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:03 am

PLATON wrote:Marc, when they contact you for a hat, give them a shirt too.

I'll get a Medium.

One pointer: if you study the pics will see that HF shirt had narrower sleeves than the shirt NH is offering now. Check it and you will see.

Agreed. One thing that bothers me about the NH shirt is that the sleeves aren't as slim as they look on Ford, and I doubt his guns are bigger than mine.

Also, is it just me or is there a slight difference in the distances between the third button and top of the pocket.

But yeah, put me down for a medium!

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:27 am

Thanks for all your e-mails and pm's!!!! The feedback it truly overwhelming.

Currently there IS no list to be put on. Once I'll have the final price and I can verify it, I'll let you know my paypal account and that we'll serve me as a list. I think that's the easiest way to handle this for all involved, incl. Steve.

Thanks again,

Marc

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:34 am

PLATON wrote:
Understood.

Well, unfortunately it's kind of like committing to PLATON's trouser offer....without some kind of input as to a price, it's hard to say 'sure, put me down for one' at this time.

Guess I'll have to watch and wait...

Regards! Michaelson/Mark (with a 'K')
Shall I put you down for a pair of trousers as well?

Nope, but I appreciate the thought.

Regards! Michaelson

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:37 am

Marc, it seems that people are willing to jump on the shirt offer if the price is $65, but I'd be curious if the response ends up being the same if/when you charge $80 for them? You had mentioned that if the shirt price ends up being too high that you would drop the shirt idea. My question is, what price is too high for that to happen? It's a nice looking shirt, but to me, the AdventureBilt name always stood for high quality at an outstanding price point. I guess if the final price ends up being at $80, it doesn't really do that, since folks could easily get a custom tailored Magnoli shirt for around that price. I'm not trying to pit vendors against each other, but I guess I'm still hoping that if you do produce shirts, that the true ideal of AdventureBilt comes with the territory.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:42 am

Bink I'm not sure, if you have the impression, that I'm trying to make high dollars on fellow gearheads, that I consider being friends and companions much more than "just" customers. It looks like to me. Anyway, this is not my goal. I have a job that is enough for my daily living and the reason I'm trying to offer this shirt, is because in all these years there has only been the MBA / NH shirt for the fans who wanted the ultimate s.a. shirt. I had a feeling, that if I could get the right contacts, I'd be able to offer something that is as good for a more affordable price. Unless my shirt maker raises his prices, I can do just that. It was NOT my goal, to go ahead and spoil the business for anybody else offering Indy shirts, by adding yet another "close enough" shirt to the mix for a Walmart price. I don't see any advantage in doing so. Neither for the AB name, nor for you. For 26 years noone has replicated the original Raiders shirt down to the last detail - except for NH. And he's charging an arm and a leg. Had it been different, there wouldn't be ANY reason for me to go ahead and invest my hard earned money on this. If HJ would still make hats as they used to 26 years ago, neither Steve nor me would be making hats. Period! There just wouldn't be any reason to do so. However I do see a reason in offering a truly detailed replica of the Raiders shirt. And that is why I chose to go this route. Now, do I make a profit on the shirts? - Heck, I don't know! I haven't made any profit on the hats for sure. If I sell enough, that day may just arrive, but so far I've had nothing but costs. If the U.S.$ wouldn't be so weak, the price would be a lot less (when I bought my Optimos, 50 Euro were 40$...), but alas it's nothing I can change. Otherwise you bet I would! If Germany wouldn't be basicly bankrupt, I'd probably not have to pay 20 bucks taxes per shirt. But that's another thing that I cannot change, no matter how much I'd like to :evil: So if you think that I'm taking something away from what the AB names stands for, by all means, try to reconsider.

If anyone prefers a custom tailored shirt from Magnoli, then why not go for it? - I believe that with all the choices we have on the various pieces of gear nowadays is GREAT for any gearhead out there. Whatever pieces somebody decides to buy, it's their decission, and in opposite to several years ago, a decission can actually be made

If I can't be quite a bit below the price of a NH shirt (as that is the shirt I've been looking to replicate), I'll let it go.

Regards,

Marc

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:03 am

Please don't get me wrong, Marc, for I am not trying to bash you nor the AdventureBilt name. I guess I'm looking at things from the personal point of view that the current Indy shirts available all have their pros and cons, regardless of what they are. I'm not one of the "stitch fanatics" when it comes to the majority of the gear, so I look at the Wested, Magnoli, NH, (and the other handful of shirt offerings) all as viable choices depending on what you want in a shirt. Each looks pretty darn good to my eyes, though I recognize that each has differences regarding screen accuracy. As of yet, I only have "close enough" shirts because of my budget.

I was under the impression that you wanted to offer a quality screen accurate Indy shirt at a price point that was noticeably below all the other current offerings (not at Wal-Mart prices, mind you) which I think your pre-order notion covers. But do I know the cost of manufacuring shirts? Not a clue. I realize that your tax structure also makes things more difficult, but I don't think I ever once implied you were trying to milk your customers for more money, so please don't read that into my comments.

Yes, we DO have a lot of great gear offerings these days, which can make the choice even more difficult! But if your goal is to essentially offer competition for strictly the MBA/NH shirt, then yes, even $100 successfully would do that. I guess I didn't realize you were aiming to provide a more affordable version of only the MBA/NH, not just a s.a. Indy shirt in general.

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:06 am

I wouldn't buy a NH Shirt from him (from another fan is a different thing though) if I had all the money in the world. Becuase I always had the feeling he doesn't have any love for it. But that's just me and I know who's getting my hard earned money....

Cheers,
Red

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:12 am

Hey Marc, carefully rereading this thread again, you guys do say that you are basing specifically off of the original MBA/NH shirts, but there was no specific mention of competing with only the NH price. Combine that with Steve's comments that he hopes it will be cheap enough that he'll buy one, I assumed you guys were aiming to offer these lower than the Wested and Magnoli shirts, too. That's why I asked the questions I did. I never meant any offence to you or AB. Heck, you can ask Steve about my character.

No harm, no foul?

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:11 pm

I didn't read any bashing into your post Bink. You've been a grade "A" supporter of AB since day one. So now YOU please don't misread my post (gosh, I feel we're running into a cultural / language problem here

). I just wanted to make clear, that I'm not trying to milk the COW (get it? *hint, hint*

). Anyway, if the Dollar goes back to what it was worth several years ago, it WILL be a lot cheaper than all other offerings. Even incl. German taxes

I guess there's a reason why all shirts are round about that price (I checked in the meanwhile

). And that is simply that it's difficult to make it a lot cheaper than that. Perhaps a little more towards the "stitch fanatics" such as myself, but that's about it. No pun towards any other vendor, as I love all the possibilities with got out there and I hope it'll stay that way. If people would call me up all day asking for a shirt and I kind of would lose my private life over this - as I'm sure NH did to a certain degree - I'd more than likely pull my prices up to where he is as well. But as of now, I'm doing this because I think it's fun.

Regards,

Marc

P.S.: Certainly no harm, no foul. I could have made myself more clear to start with. A typical error that occurs when someone from a different cultural background and a different mother tongue, tries to act American

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:28 pm

Marc wrote: P.S.: Certainly no harm, no foul. I could have made myself more clear to start with. A typical error that occurs when someone from a different cultural background and a different mother tongue, tries to act American

I just think we each hadn't had our coffee yet, Marc. Here, I'll pour you another cup.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:03 pm

It's 8pm over here, so why don't you c'mone over and have a glass of wine with my wife and me? - Then I'll show you my hatshop and some nice bodies that are almost done and we'll chit chat shirts over a good cuban cigar and a single malt whiskey... Still into coffee?

Regards,

Marc

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:51 pm

Marc wrote:Still into coffee?

I can be swayed.

Regards!

b

Kittlemeier · Post by **Kittlemeier** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:23 am

Bink, it's much easier to shorten a sleeve than to lengthen one, no?

Indiana Jerry · Post by **Indiana Jerry** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:47 am

If you're wearing it at the time, I'd bet they'd both hurt about the same.

Bink, you trouble-maker...don't make me clean up your messes over here in General Gear...

In truth I was quite confused about this as well...but Marc, don't take me and Bink being confused as any indication of 'normal'.

Thank you for clarifying the intent. (I'll bring coffee so long as Bink is drinking...I plan to get some wallets back sooner or later.)

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:24 am

Just got a call from my shirt maker... Of course he raised his prices after reading my list of changes. More than I had expected to be honest. But I'll let the price on the pre-orders stand where it is and then we'll have to see later on. I hope to talk him out of this later on

So, if you live in Germany or the U.S., incl. shipping it's 55 Euro per shirt. Of course, if someone wants two, it's 2 x 50 Euro plus 5 Euro for shipping. If you live in Europe but not in Germany, it's 50 Euro for the shirt and 10 for the shipping (all un-insured, but I'll insure the shirts I sent to Steve for the U.S. costumers).

To get on the list, please paypal to Marc_Kitter(at)web.de incl. a note that tells your size. If you aren't sure, just write that and I'll give you the measurements of the various shirts when they arrive to chose from. It'll probably take some months, before I receive them though, but I'm confident it'll be worth the wait.

Regards,

Marc

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:51 pm

Hey Marc, I think this is fantastic news that your going to do this.

Whats the material your using, is it light weight or slightly heavey. Those of you who own the IM shirt and a NH will no what I mean.

Anyway, payment sent for one shirt. Let us know about sizes when you can.

Thanks again, Croft

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:42 am

payment sent. thanks marc!

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:45 am

Payment received! Thanks Gentlemen!! The weight is IDENTICAL to the NH shirt.

Regards,

Marc

Nicolas · Post by **Nicolas** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:47 am

Another payment sent !

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:06 am

Before pre ordering Marc, some questions have been sent to you by mail

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:39 pm

Marc,

The color is indentical to NH, or is it closer to what we see on screen?

Will you be offering any more colors? I need white, olive drab etc.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:23 pm

The color is indentical to NH, or is it closer to what we see on screen?

The NH color is what we see on screen. If you take pics in the NH shirt in bright sunlight it will also look a little more bleached out.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:42 pm

agent5 wrote:
The color is indentical to NH, or is it closer to what we see on screen?
The NH color is what we see on screen. If you take pics in the NH shirt in bright sunlight it will also look a little more bleached out.

Agent5, I think Platon is related to Yogi Berra. That was like deja vu, all over again.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:27 am

There isn't the slightest doubt in my mind, that the MBA / NH shirt is dead on accurate in terms of color. So it'll be identical.

Regards,

Marc

djd · Post by **djd** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:00 am

Marc, if you haven't put me down for a pre order so far, please do so. Thanks

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:49 am

Gladly! But I have to insist on paypaling me first

I hate to do it, but I really can't afford to buy 100 shirts all by myself, so I need to scrap some money together to get started.

Hope you understand.

Regards,

Marc

djd · Post by **djd** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:30 am

Will send payment now

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:40 am

The NH color is what we see on screen. If you take pics in the NH shirt in bright sunlight it will also look a little more bleached out.

Thanks for that Agent 5. I am aware that the NH color and shirt is the same with what was used on screen. I was supporting you 1000% back when you were suggesting that.

I have seen the screen shots, and as you know, you and I, have spent "the best years of our lives" capturing screen caps and the like.

My question is: Why should I go out in the bright sunlight to have a shirt that will look like the SA shirt. Why can't I stay indoors and have the same color? A shirt with brighter color would do that. Can I have that please?

Marc?

Also, this shirt is excellent in terms of design and fit. I would like to have other colors as well, e.g. black, white, olive drab.

Are the shirt going to be on offer by Marc, or we are just getting the NH shirt cheaper?

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:54 am

Why can't I stay indoors and have the same color? A shirt with brighter color would do that. Can I have that please?

Marc?

It's got something to do with lightning, I guess

Kidding asside, they use a lot of mirror and stuff like that to really lighten up the set when filming. So in order to compare apples with appless, you have to put your shirt into the same circumstances in order to make it look s.a.

I would like to have other colors as well, e.g. black, white, olive drab.

Are the shirt going to be on offer by Marc, or we are just getting the NH shirt cheaper?

As of now, it'll "only" be a NH shirt cheaper. Of course if somebody wants to take 100 shirts off my hands in black etc. - no problem. But offering a single shirt in black just isn't in my price range...

I've had a few customer asking for black Indy Fedoras as well, but considering I have to buy 50 rawbodies in order to get all the customizing done, a single hat would cost several thousand Euro, so...

Regards,

Marc