New Indy Bull

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:24 pm

Here is a picture of a 4 footer I just finished. It's not a pocket bull, like Kyle makes, just a really short Indy that someone ordered.

Jim

Kentucky Blues · Post by **Kentucky Blues** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:40 pm

Cool. Sorta like the whip I made today. Only it's not just a piece of thin nylon rope with some duct tape. That's a nice leather real whip there. Yep.

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:31 pm

Wow, looking great!

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:47 pm

That is really nice.

brady · Post by **brady** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 11:10 pm

LOL duct tape.....I love duct tape! Anyways thats a sweet looking whip, I hope mine looks that nice but is like 4' longer. Good job though!

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 11:47 pm

brady wrote:LOL duct tape.....I love duct tape! Anyways thats a sweet looking whip, I hope mine looks that nice but is like 4' longer. Good job though!

Thanks, Brady. Bernie makes a great whip, and I'm sure it will be all you're hoping for, only longer.

Jim

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:55 pm

Good job, Jim. Taper is nice and even. Seams are spot-on. -S

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 8:26 pm

Admittedly, it is a nice-looking bullwhip, but I really can't fathom why somebody would want one that short. I've owned a 6-footer, and it cracks, albeit with some difficulty until broken-in. I know that Morgan offers a 5, which can't be much easier to crack, and anything below that would probably be more suited to *ahem* bedroom adventures. (and before anybody raises an eyebrow- I am most definitely not speaking from personal experience. That was just a comedic observation on my part, and nothing more.)

-Dale

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 8:40 pm

I have only one whip in a size smaller than a 6 footer and that was Kyle's pocket bull. I really find that size convenient, for when on a walk in unfamiliar territory, where I can pack a defensive weapon in my jacket pocket.

I actually read that this tradition started in Australia. Blokes would carry a small black snake whip ( or pocket snake) in their duster when walking about in strange territory. Also western cowboys perferred small snake whips that they can coil in their saddle bags.

But I don't like snake whips because they have no handle foundation. It's just a thong. So when Kyle came out with the pocket size version of the bullwhip, I thought it was a winner. The handle foundation provides more control.

-Sergei

CEEJAY928 · Post by **CEEJAY928** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 8:51 pm

haha

"bedroom adventures"

brady · Post by **brady** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 8:54 pm

LOL

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:52 pm

whipwarrior wrote:Admittedly, it is a nice-looking bullwhip, but I really can't fathom why somebody would want one that short. I've owned a 6-footer, and it cracks, albeit with some difficulty until broken-in. I know that Morgan offers a 5, which can't be much easier to crack, and anything below that would probably be more suited to *ahem* bedroom adventures. (and before anybody raises an eyebrow- I am most definitely not speaking from personal experience. That was just a comedic observation on my part, and nothing more.)

-Dale

It actually cracks a lot easier than you would think. Yes, it's really stiff, but it still cracked well. It actually wasn't made for "bedroom adventures". The person who ordered it lives way up north where there's snow on the ground 8 out of 12 months a year, and he wanted something he could use indoors. If anyone does decide to take this particular whip into the bedroom, the person on the receiving end will be in for a world of hurt. That whip may be short, but it has the weight and punch of a much longer whip.

Jim

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:29 pm

How long did it take you to make that one Jim?

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 1:09 am

Indiana Josh wrote:How long did it take you to make that one Jim?

Not too long, actually. I think it took me about 3 days to do that one, bearing in mind I only have the night time after I get home from my regular job to work on whips.

Jim

The_Edge · Post by **The_Edge** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 1:09 am

Sergei wrote:I have only one whip in a size smaller than a 6 footer and that was Kyle's pocket bull. I really find that size convenient, for when on a walk in unfamiliar territory, where I can pack a defensive weapon in my jacket pocket.

I actually read that this tradition started in Australia. Blokes would carry a small black snake whip ( or pocket snake) in their duster when walking about in strange territory. Also western cowboys perferred small snake whips that they can coil in their saddle bags.

But I don't like snake whips because they have no handle foundation. It's just a thong. So when Kyle came out with the pocket size version of the bullwhip, I thought it was a winner. The handle foundation provides more control.

-Sergei

Thanks, Sergei! That's exactly what I use mine for. I'm working on two more at the moment. A fellow gear head all ready has dibs on one of them but the other will be up for grabs.

-Kyle

Post by **Dalexs** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:29 am

whipwarrior wrote:I know that Morgan offers a 5, which can't be much easier to crack, and anything below that would probably be more suited to *ahem* bedroom adventures. (and before anybody raises an eyebrow- I am most definitely not speaking from personal experience. That was just a comedic observation on my part, and nothing more.)

-Dale

This reminds me of a scene in last weeks CSI (The original).
Murder & mayhem ensue bringing the investigators to once again
revisit Lady Heathers domain
(their friendly neighborhood dominatrix who seems to lose alot of employees in untimely ways...).

Anyway, they enter one of the internet chat service rooms during the investigation and laying coiled on the bed is like this 14' bull whip.

What prop guy came up with that one!

Dalexs

The_Edge · Post by **The_Edge** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 11:32 am

Dalexs wrote: Anyway, they enter one of the internet chat service rooms during the investigation and laying coiled on the bed is like this 14' bull whip.

What prop guy came up with that one!

Dalexs

I watched that episode and noticed that bullwhip as well, Dalexs. There were only a couple shots with it in frame but from the length and width of the handle and the shape of the turk's knot I came to the conclusion that it was a black 10' to 12' JS whip with the wrist loop removed. (Much too long for indoor use.) Since the show does film in Vegas they probably got it from Mark Allen. My wife then had to endure the next commercial break listening to my usual irate rant about whips constantly being portrayed as sex toys.

Rick Blaine · Post by **Rick Blaine** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 6:21 pm

"Bedroom adventures" is exactly the stereotype Sebastian and others from Whip enthusiasts are trying to exterminate from the associated hobby of sport cracking.

Sebastian's goal is to make Sport whipcracking an olympic sport, but stereotyping this incredible sport is exactly what is keeping us out of the olympics. Sincerest Regards. Blaine

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 7:19 pm

It seems anytime I mention cracking whips to someone who doesn't know I crack whips, I get this cock-eyed, "you're weird" look. Then I have to stop and explain that it's for cracking and not what their perverted mind is thinking. Of course some people are gonna be like, "Yeah right." But hopefully one person at a time I can do my part to help change this world's perspective on use of a whip.

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 7:27 pm

Don't feel strange, ITG. The same goes for me. I have to explain every single time. That's why I wear all my WWAC tags on my whip bag, try to wear my WWAC belt buckle on my jeans (or any western type buckle),etc. and give the weird looks right back at these people that think I'm weird.

-Sergei

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:03 am

Ok, everyone. Time to educate ol' Joe---

I think Jim has a great looking whip posted up at the top of this thread. What is the difference between this 4ft whip and Kyle's pocket bull? Is it length? Style? The way it's made? The history behind a smaller whip to fit in a bag, or for a hike on a long, loney trail is great and it appears that either Jim or Kyle have may met this need.

Although the discussion seems to indicate that there are differences (besides the makers) between a "pocket bull" and Jim's, if I didn't ask this, I may have left this thread with an idea that one may be able to purchase a "pocket bull" from different vendors.

Thanks ahead of time!

Indiana Joe

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:35 am

Probably the biggest difference I see is:
- ECWhips handle foundation, the spike is longer. Can't speak for the ECWhip, but Kyle's was using a 2 or 3 inch nail spike. The ECWhip looks longer.
- Kyle's whip was slighly shorter, ~ 40inches.

So with the shorter handle you can coil it nice and tight right into your pocket, ready for that next treacherous meeting with those annoying: {fill in the blank} corporate people.

)

-SErgei

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 12:56 pm

Sergei wrote:Probably the biggest difference I see is:
- ECWhips handle foundation, the spike is longer. Can't speak for the ECWhip, but Kyle's was using a 2 or 3 inch nail spike. The ECWhip looks longer.
- Kyle's whip was slighly shorter, ~ 40inches.

So with the shorter handle you can coil it nice and tight right into your pocket, ready for that next treacherous meeting with those annoying: {fill in the blank} corporate people. )

-SErgei

You hit the "nail" on the head, so to speak, Walt. Kyle's pocket bull is an overall "mini bullwhip" that will fit in your pocket. Mine is just a 4 foot long Indy. It still has the 8 inch spike and the proportions are pretty much the same, only it tapers faster than a longer whip. It was made for indoor cracking (sport cracking, not bedroom stuff!), and the customer just wanted a shorter whip. In hindsight, I probably should have made the handle and upper thong a little thinner, but it came out well as it is.

Jim

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 6:47 am

Thanks for the education, guys!

Jim, you mention that the 4ft EC whip will crack---obvously since it's just a shortened version of a "full size" bullwhip.

Sergei, does the "pocket bull" you have crack? If so, does it take some getting used to due to it's smaller size? Just curious.

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 12:44 pm

OH, yes the Pocket Bull cracks, absolutely! What's different is the action is much quicker because of the length.