Ebay Whip

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 1:01 am

This looks interesting. Anyone know who made it? I asked the seller but haven't heard back yet. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... egory=3175

Jim

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 1:48 am

ecwhips wrote:This looks interesting. Anyone know who made it? I asked the seller but haven't heard back yet. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... egory=3175

Jim

I'm torn. It's either a Morgan or Strain. I'm leaning towards a Strain. The knot on the knob, doesn't look like a Morgan. It's very, very close, but it a little different. The width of the lace, coming right of the handle-junction area looks too narrow for a Morgan. But the "buy it now" price suggests a Morgan. I'm confused.

Frank Wolf · Post by **Frank Wolf** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:58 am

I think it's not Strain. Doesn't look even close to the one I own. Could be wrong.

brady · Post by **brady** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:41 am

I would have to also think that it is a Morgan based on the buy-it-now price, but who knows for sure?

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:41 am

I just heard back from the seller. He claims to have bought it in a collection, and the seller told him it was a Morgan. I definitely don't think it's a Strain, but something about it isn't Morgan-like either. It's hard to see the detail in the picture, but it almost looks too neat to be a Morgan. Not that his work is sloppy by any means.

Jim

Mystique · Post by **Mystique** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:42 am

Maybe it's a Ben Scott, the Turks head looks close.

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:44 am

Mystique wrote:Maybe it's a Ben Scott, the Turks head looks close.

I had thought of that, too, judging by how smooth the turkshead on the knob appears to be.

Jim

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 11:50 am

Doesn't Ben Scott have a different looking turkshead on the handle area. It's usually a brandy colored knot. That seems to be his signature. I don't think it's a Scott.

But getting back to Strain, Strain has made knots that are real close to a Morgan. Especially if you bought it from him directly and not Mark Allen. If you buy him from directly, he will make awfully close looking Morgan knots upon request. HOwever, his lace widths are much narrower than Morgan's at the handle junction area. That't the big "TELL", in my opinion.

-Sergei

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 12:36 pm

Sergei wrote:Doesn't Ben Scott have a different looking turkshead on the handle area. It's usually a brandy colored knot. That seems to be his signature. I don't think it's a Scott.

-Sergei

With Ben's whips, it depends on what you ask him for. If you ask for the Raiders look, it will have the dark knot on it. Otherwise he'll put just a standard tan knot on there.

Jim

sab04 · Post by **sab04** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 1:44 pm

I've examined and cracked DM's, JS's, BS's, and PS whips and IMHO I think it's a strain. I agree with Sergei about the thin strands after the handle, and I must say the handle/thong junction does look like my JS.
I asked the seller to send me some more pics so I can make a better assesment. Hey Sergei, you could probably make a better assesment than me so when I get the pics, would you like me to send them to you?
I'm sooo bored here in CT. We have like 2feet of snow on the ground and it's supposed to keep snowing like crazy until tuesday morning!!! It's one crazy blizzard. Sheesh!
best regards
Scott

Chamorro · Post by **Chamorro** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 1:47 pm

I now own a Ben Scott and the peachy sort of color is close ... but that could just be my monitor.

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:00 pm

sab04 wrote:I've examined and cracked DM's, JS's, BS's, and PS whips and IMHO I think it's a strain. I agree with Sergei about the thin strands after the handle, and I must say the handle/thong junction does look like my JS.

I own all the above whips with the exception of Ben Scott. But I personally cracked the Ben Scott whip. All the above, have similar width laces after the thong-handle junction, with the exception of Joe Strain.

sab04 wrote: I asked the seller to send me some more pics so I can make a better assesment. Hey Sergei, you could probably make a better assesment than me so when I get the pics, would you like me to send them to you?
Scott

Absolutely, you can send them to me. Regardless if I buy it or not, this sharpens my identification skills.

-Sergei

Above is the auction whip.

Above is Zendragon's JS 8 foot, Morgan knot style (not WSP) whip.

Above is a Ben Scott Whip.

Above is an 8 foot Morgan whip.

Above is a 9 foot Paul Stenhouse whip.

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:54 pm

My vote is the auction whip is a Morgan.

brady · Post by **brady** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:51 pm

Does anyone know if it is a common thing to ask for the diffrent colored knot like on the whip lying on the table above? I think that looks really cool and would like to ask Bernie if he could do that to mine when he makes it.

Chamorro · Post by **Chamorro** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 4:20 pm

Any whip maker should be able to do it. As I understand it, the different -colored knot was evident in various ROTLA scenes.

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 5:19 pm

brady wrote:Does anyone know if it is a common thing to ask for the diffrent colored knot like on the whip lying on the table above? I think that looks really cool and would like to ask Bernie if he could do that to mine when he makes it.

You can get the knot to darken on a natural tan whip with a little extra Pecards in that area. My DM is starting to darken on that knot faster then in other areas.

Just my $.02
Pyr.

Whiper Jones · Post by **Whiper Jones** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 7:12 pm

Frank Wolf wrote:I think it's not Strain. Doesn't look even close to the one I own. Could be wrong.

Frank!?
You have Joe Strain whip!??

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:14 am

I just received the pictures from Scott. Well now (and I agree with Scott), I strongly believe this whip is a real old Morgan. The Raiders whip I measured had narrow type laces as shown in the pictures of this ebay whip. Morgan over time, increased the width of the laces. I've looked at Morgan whips in the 8 to 10 year range and they were still the modern style, wider lace. This whip has got to be greater than 10 years old, probably more like 15. In fact, I'd be willing to bet the knot on the handle might be closer to 8 inches. Very interesting!!!

-Sergei

The_Edge · Post by **The_Edge** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:43 am

Pyroxene wrote:You can get the knot to darken on a natural tan whip with a little extra Pecards in that area. My DM is starting to darken on that knot faster then in other areas.

Just my $.02
Pyr.

Asking for a different colored knot is the better way to go. Putting an excess of dressing on the knots can cause them to loosen.

My vote is that the whip is definitely a Morgan. The ring knot placement threw me off but there are two things that lead me to believe it is a DM. One is the Turk's knot on the butt. Not only is it very conicle but it has a lot of texture with raised lace. Also, if you look at where the knot lace meets the handle you'll see it isn't pulled super tight against the handle. There is more texture to it instead of being a smooth transition. The other tip off is that the point of the thong is much thicker. Morgan tends to make the thong diameter at the point not as tapered making it a bit more robust for stunt work.

-Edge

ecwhips · Post by **ecwhips** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:04 pm

Well, I guess there's only one way to find out. I just bought it with the Buy It Now Option, and I'm going to send it to David Morgan after I get it, and see what he has to say about it.

Jim

Ryusui · Post by **Ryusui** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:37 pm

You know what I've learned reading this thread?

That you guys know SO MUCH about whips, any new whip maker would shiver with fear when entering the market if they knew all of you existed!

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 8:09 pm

No... something doesn't seem right. The handle appears to be too thick to be a Morgan. And I think the whip is much newer than 15 years old. The way the leather has tanned, I'd have to surmise that it's no older than 2 and 1/2 years. That's my assessment, anyway.

-Dale

sab04 · Post by **sab04** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:10 pm

In the pics the seller sent me you can see that it's clearly a morgan. the pics look just like the actual film used whip in the whip section. Also the pics show the wear on the whip, making it look like it's been around a while. The pic of it on the auction page looks quite different than the close up pics the seller sent me. I could send them to you Dale, if you want.
-Scott

Sergei · Post by **Sergei** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 1:44 am

Yeah, if you go to the whip section at IndyGear, you can see this whip is very similar to the Raider's Whip I examined for that photo shoot.

-S

Frank Wolf · Post by **Frank Wolf** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 5:18 am

Whiper Jones wrote:
Frank Wolf wrote:I think it's not Strain. Doesn't look even close to the one I own. Could be wrong.
Frank!?
You have Joe Strain whip!??

? WTF ?

I didn't post that?

No, I don't own any whips made by Strain. Never even seen one.

Indiana Joe · Post by **Indiana Joe** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 5:58 am

Frank Wolf wrote:
Whiper Jones wrote:
Frank Wolf wrote:I think it's not Strain. Doesn't look even close to the one I own. Could be wrong.
Frank!?
You have Joe Strain whip!??
? WTF ?

I didn't post that?

No, I don't own any whips made by Strain. Never even seen one.

So, you didn't make the third post in this thread, Frank?

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