UPDATED11/22: Comparison: Todd's Custom vs. Todd's Standard!

Chewing Wax · Post by **Chewing Wax** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:31 am

PLATON wrote:
You believe everyone agrees? What are you talking about? Even the quote from Wested from 2003 doesn't agree. He says some did and some didn't.

Not clear. I can't even be bothered to point out the bountiful flaws in your logic.

"What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully?"

Let me tell you about gussets. I don't like them. But that's irrelevant. When I said that "everyone agrees" that the hero jacket didn't have them, that's not my opinion. I haven't made my opinion known yet. I didn't say yet whether I believe or not that HF jacket had gussets. In fact, I will not say, and I don't care to say it.

And it doesn't matter if Peter made jackets with and without gussets for Ford, because Ford could have worn only those without gussets or only those with gussets, or both.

If you READ old posts you will see that the majority of the people here thought that the hero jacket didn't have gussets. That's what I meant, it's not my opinion, it's what people said.

And my logic is fine.

Is English your second language?

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:34 am

My first language is Greek, then I learned French and then English. I have a TOEFL certificate which I got in 95.

Chewing Wax · Post by **Chewing Wax** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:41 am

Your English is certainly excellent. I used to work in linguistics and it occurred to me that maybe there are some subtle nuances that are being misinterpreted in your posts. Unintended meaning. That sort of thing. It would explain some things I think.
No disrespect intended
.

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Thu May 24, 2007 12:04 pm

Agent5 posted a good picture of the gusset during the flying wing scene. Perhaps he can dig out his hi-def copy and regale us again. I tried to do some screen caps yesterday with Intervideo WinDVD and they came out awful for some reason. I had great shots of the gusset during the flying wing and the truck chase (the shot in the front of the truck when he's grabbing at the grill guard) the one on the truck was especially clear and spectacular. Then I went to edit them into jpegs and they were so blurry you couldn't see anything. Does anyone know what could cause this?

Regardless, the gussets were there on that jacket. However, the jacket rigged with the squib - who knows. After looking at the pictures again, I see that I will change the shape of the gusset - it's skinnier than mine.

As to a two piece gusset, there's not much point to that. It doesn't improve it any, unless it is to create a crease in it so it hides better.

Ripper · Post by **Ripper** » Thu May 24, 2007 12:55 pm

...........Didnt it shrink the C RAP out of it ? Does it still fit ?

CM · Post by CM » Thu May 24, 2007 5:53 pm

Is it just me or are the pockets on that STRS photo of HF larger than we normally see in the film. They look like the pockets which appear on that old auction photo - the Riders one not the LC one. They also look like the longer pockets which appear in the making of doco in the Raven bar sequence.

Cheers - CM

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu May 24, 2007 7:23 pm

_ wrote:Getting jazzed to see a box on my desk filled with dead cow skin!

Ick, never thought about it that way before...

Nothing like Cianti and fava beans...

Chewing Wax · Post by **Chewing Wax** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:46 pm

_ wrote:
Ripper wrote:...........Didnt it shrink the C RAP out of it ? Does it still fit ?
Actually, I think it fits better. I did it because my upper arms out grew the 20-21 inches that were available in the standard 48. While it was still about 5% wet, I put it on, zipped it up and stretched and flexed (right after a workout, the upper arms come in a hair over 23 inches). I thought I might pop some scenes, but this Wested was well stitched (thank you Peter). I think I got an inch or two more circumference, and the waist is tapered better now. Also the shoulders seem to have more room after the "flex session"... She's a keeper now!

Hilarious. 23 inch biceps. That's twice what I have. I need to start pumping iron.

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:05 pm

LOL you most likely have me very much beat Wax, although I have no idea how big mine are. Though I know one thing, they are small.

P.S. There's nothing like dead cow skin!

Technonut · Post by **Technonut** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:12 pm

(right after a workout, the upper arms come in a hair over 23 inches).

I consider myself a fit fellow, (arms, shoulders, and chest) but have never measured my biceps until now... 17 inches. (no recent work-out) I will have to pump some weight, and check again...

On topic, (sort of) I have run my G&B historical HH A-2, and Aero FQ HH Highwayman through the washer with good results...

The Highwayman especially needed softened up...

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Fri May 25, 2007 12:03 pm

Question: going back to the "Stars" picture. Does anyone know when that was taken? Date? Was it prior to shooting?

Did anyone notice the lining appears to be satin/polyester?

CM · Post by CM » Fri May 25, 2007 6:51 pm

Puppetboy wrote:Question: going back to the "Stars" picture. Does anyone know when that was taken? Date? Was it prior to shooting?

Did anyone notice the lining appears to be satin/polyester?

Yeah, and the pockets appear to be larger.

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:47 pm

I have debated the lining in my head over the years. After all that, I have no real answer lol. Personally I like a cotton lining mainly because A-2's have a cotton lining.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:56 am

Puppetboy wrote:Question: going back to the "Stars" picture. Does anyone know when that was taken? Date? Was it prior to shooting?

Did anyone notice the lining appears to be satin/polyester?

_ wrote:
...the "Stars" pic of Harrison. The gussets are quite clear. That publicity shot was taken at Ellstree a good three weeks before primary shooting began. That hero jacket would have been what he'd wear - I'd bet a paycheck on it...

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:09 pm

Ah, yes, so that's where I read that. Okay, then the question is how this all fits in the chronology - HF was cast at the last minute, the jackets were supposedly made by Peter only days before shooting. Is it possible the jacket he's wearing for the stars shoot was made by someone else? If Peter's story is accurate (that he made the jackets the weekend before shooting) then this is a photo of a jacket that predates Peter's involvement altogether. Hmmmm...

Okay, discuss...

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:54 pm

According to the Making of Raiders book, the whole costume was made and fitted for Selleck until only 3 weeks before shooting. It doesn't say anything about whether they got all new duds or they simply altered the existing stuff for Ford.

However, this is incorrect.

...the "Stars" pic of Harrison. The gussets are quite clear. That publicity shot was taken at Ellstree a good three weeks before primary shooting began.

Page 5 of the June 25th, 1981 issue of Rolling Stone states:

Cover photograph of Harrison Ford taken by Bill King, Los Angeles, May 1981.

The entire photo shoot was taken by freelance photographer Bill King for Rolling Stone way after production wrapped. They were not in any way production shots, they were publicity shots for the magazine. You can also find a two nice and similar shot in the US magazine from August 4th, 1981, from the same session.

So, Todd, there you go. Question fully answered.

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:33 am

Thanks! Great info.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:14 pm

Agent 5, is this info from an advance copy of the upcoming Making Of book, or from the 1981 book that Barnes and Nobel lists as having existed?

I'm interested in knowing if Peter had fitted Tom Selleck if that's the case, and if Bermans made that jacket as well. I know Harrison Ford was not the first choice for Indy, but I wasn't under the impression that he was a "last minute" addition to the cast. Selleck is a tall guy, probably about three inches taller than Ford. That might have impacted stunt casting etc. Peter would probably know this.

SD

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:25 pm

Inquiring minds want to know.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:29 pm

Boy, I sure am glad that TS didn't get the role! That would have stunk and I doubt that the film would have been as successful!

C3

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:43 pm

Not to get off-topic, but in the early 80s, Tom Selleck was a pretty big deal. Magnum P.I. only a year old and was a popular show. He was an up and comer, but Paramount would still have been taking a risk with him, as no one had any idea about whether he'd have big screen acting chops. Turns out he can play the stoic action guy pretty well, but I think Ford seems more genuine, and seems more fallible. Plus, I don't know if Selleck could be convincing as a university professor. Maybe its that moustache.

Selleck is a likeable guy who had a good career in TV, a few features and many movies of the week, and he'll have a good thing going with his new lead role in Las Vegas. Still, it makes you wonder what the Indy role would have done for his career.

SD

orb · Post by **orb** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:54 pm

Back to the sleeve length. Actually I really think that most of the SA jackets I've seen does have too short sleeves. They maybe look accurate when the jacket is new but when it's wrinkled I'm sure someone is missing an inch or so. Bogie1943 wrote that he likes it more comfortable. Then I don't understand why he wanted a SA Raiders jacket. I think for SA the sleeves should nearly go to the fingers. It may look a bit weird when the jacket is new but when time comes and the wrinkles starts the sleeves will rideup a bit and then it's like in raiders. Personally for me the sleeves are the most important thing after the right pockets and collar

Much regards

orb

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:39 pm

St. Dumas wrote:Still, it makes you wonder what the Indy role would have done for his career.
SD

Well, sometimes things happen for a reason

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:38 pm

P.S. I did take the sleeves out a little bit but it's not a major accuracy issue for me.

djd · Post by **djd** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:05 am

St. Dumas wrote:Not to get off-topic, but in the early 80s, Tom Selleck was a pretty big deal. Magnum P.I. only a year old and was a popular show. He was an up and comer, but Paramount would still have been taking a risk with him, as no one had any idea about whether he'd have big screen acting chops. Turns out he can play the stoic action guy pretty well, but I think Ford seems more genuine, and seems more fallible. Plus, I don't know if Selleck could be convincing as a university professor. Maybe its that moustache.

Selleck is a likeable guy who had a good career in TV, a few features and many movies of the week, and he'll have a good thing going with his new lead role in Las Vegas. Still, it makes you wonder what the Indy role would have done for his career.

SD

I just watched Selleck in an episode of the Rockford Files (I love that show) and he was highly amusing... I like the guy. Would have been a very different Indy though...

Todd tells me my jacket is being made this week.... Number 20 on the list

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:25 am

I never want to hear the phrase screen accurate again, lol.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:26 am

Screen accurate! Screen accurate! Screen accurate!

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:08 pm

You're making me angry....you won't like me when I'm angry....

J/K

This is what you end up doing after you catch the Hulk movie on tv and have some time on your hands...

Mountaineer Lasher · Post by **Mountaineer Lasher** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:36 pm

djd wrote:Todd tells me my jacket is being made this week.... Number 20 on the list

This is VERY good news for me seeing as how I'm Number 21 on the list! Wooooo!

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:17 am

Mountaineer Lasher wrote:
djd wrote:Todd tells me my jacket is being made this week.... Number 20 on the list
This is VERY good news for me seeing as how I'm Number 21 on the list! Wooooo!

If only a certain other Indy jacket supplier (I won't name names

) would keep to their word like Todd's. This unnamed company always promises me my jackets will be sent weeks before they actually get sent!

Examples:

Your order has been cut and machined, this will be sent next Monday

-Email recieved on Thursday, April 26.

The jackets will be shipped at different times and the first jacket will be leaving Monday

-Email recieved on Friday, April 27.
-Jacket dispatched Wednesday, May 9. Two weeks after the promised date.

I will send the jackets separate in the next 10 days for you

-Email recieved on May 14.
-To my knowledge, I was charged in full for shipping charges of the jackets seperately.
-Jackets still unrecieved.

I will wait and ship both jackets today to save us on the postage cost as this is more expensive

-Email recieved June 8.
-When asked for tracking information, recieved this response:

Tracking information will be sent when jackets dispatched.

I'm not trying to be a whine...
Ok, maybe just a little...
Ok fine, I'm ranting and whining. But at least I haven't named names yet... But most of you should be able to take an educated guess

The point of this rant? Well, I suppose you could take this as a twisted recommendation for Todds...

After all, I hear that you get reliable communication with Todd, and complete screen-accuracy when compared to the other offerings! I'm pretty sure my next Indy jacket will be a Todd's!

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:50 pm

So it's been a little over a month now since I got my jacket. It is breaking it wonderfully. I have had to make some repairs to stitching that has come undone but regardless I am enjoying the jacket. Cheers.

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:25 pm

I shall fix this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/ ... /todds.jpg

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:31 pm

Bogie,

I shall flog whoever did that. Fortunately, it is an easy fix with a needle and thread. So sorry.

Todd

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:51 am

I shall flog whoever did that.

it was bink.....i saw him do it....really

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:46 am

Oh don't worry about it at all. I mean if you still want to flog whoever did that, by all means, lol. Agreed it's a very easy fix, something I can take care of myself thankfully. I am not really sure how that came undone but no big deal. I am just really enjoying how the hide is breaking in!

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:23 pm

I got a new digital slr camera last week so here are a few update pics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/ ... ket020.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/ ... ket021.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/ ... ket022.jpg

Dr._J · Post by **Dr._J** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:58 pm

Bogie,

Don't tell me that jacket broke in like that by itself in only a couple of weeks?

That is unbelievably awesome!

Dr. J

indy89 · Post by **indy89** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:13 pm

That is one kick @## jacket! I want one!

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:14 pm

Well it's coming around to about 2 months now I think. About half of that is natural. The other half was caused by getting cought in the biggest sudden rain storm I have ever seen, lol.

junior · Post by **junior** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:57 pm

Those updated pics are quite nice.

I tell you what, I have been around here a long time (when there was only Indyfan and no Indygear) and have seen many jackets posted on COW, many. The simple fact is, Todd's Costumers seems to have produced the closet thing to the Raiders jacket that has made its way to the marketplace, to date. There's just something about this offering that gets it right. Been meaning to say this for some time now - never got around to it. Looking forward to the day I become the owner of this gem.

Wested, Gibson & Barnes and others make fine jackets - very fine jackets, but, if you want a Raiders jacket, and you have the funds, Todd's marks the spot. It's just the way it is.

junior

djd · Post by **djd** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:32 am

I have to agree. My Todd jacket looks so much more like the screen used jackets than my Wested ever did.

eazybox · Post by **eazybox** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:36 am

I can't wait to receive my new Todd's $150 SA Indy-- if it's half as good as I hear his custom jacket is, I'll be thrilled with it.

Jack

FordPerfect · Post by **FordPerfect** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:37 am

"I tell you what, I have been around here a long time (when there was only Indyfan and no Indygear) and have seen many jackets posted on COW, many. The simple fact is, Todd's Costumers seems to have produced the closet thing to the Raiders jacket that has made its way to the marketplace, to date. There's just something about this offering that gets it right. Been meaning to say this for some time now - never got around to it. Looking forward to the day I become the owner of this gem."

This is all I needed to hear. I've been waiting, waiting waiting to read something like this regarding a jacket. I've just placed a whopping order with Todd as after going through all the sites offering Indygear in its various forms, Todd's is not only the easiest to negotiate, most informative (with sizes/descriptions, etc.) and having read the review, most SA. My plan was to get a Wested purely on the basis that, you know, they created the originals etc. But for my money, (which they could've had) there are still too many questions, too many variations and still not enough answers to justify the spend on a Wested. My experience ordering shirt and trousers alone from them has unfortunately made me loathe to deal with them again. I hasten to point out this is just my opinion, as I know many here will offer pages of testimony to Peter & Co.s reliability, but as many others have noted, relability and service is a real issue for them.
Anyways, as this will be my FIRST EVER Indy jacket, I will be posting pics and giving my own review.

CM · Post by CM » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:11 pm

PLATON wrote:

Here's the "stars" pic. I can't really say I see the gussets.

Anyone can provide pointers?

I've said it before. The pockets on this jacket have different proportions to the pockets we usually recognise. Clearly there was a jacket on ROLA with a different pocket configeration. I noticed the same larger pockets in the making of doco - near the end where HF is in the Raven Bar. Bigger pockets. Curious.

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:46 pm

I'm looking forward to posting my long-awaited cowhide from Todd. I know it's on it's way. In fact, it's been in my state for two days already. But for some reason it isn't scheduled for delivery until Monday!

ztmario · Post by **ztmario** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:38 pm

where do you go to get the sleeves taken out? how much generally does it cost, and how much extra can you get?

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:28 pm

If you order the custom version, you can ask for the sleeve length you need. Otherwise, call some tailors out of the yellow pages and see if they will alter leather jackets. I don't think you'd have much room to make them longer, though.

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:52 pm

Here some handwarmer pocket comparison pics between my Todd's Custom and my Expedition Goatskin. Plus, some new pics showing how the jacket has settled.

Expedition

Todd's Custom

Dre · Post by **Dre** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:21 pm

Those armholes still look massive on the todd's jacket. I thought they'd be made smaller.

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:32 pm

The arm holes are a bit large. I find this to be a problem in most modern made jackets. The arm holes on my Expeditions are cut much better. Granted my Todd's was on the first made so it is possible the cut has become better since then. That is up to Todd to comment upon.