Bag strap marks

jedijoel · Post by **jedijoel** » Tue Jul 16, 2002 6:05 pm

I made a bag strap for my mkvii and at first it left little red crumbles on my shirt. I gave it some pecards and now it leaves a red smudge. Any recommendations about avoiding this?
Thanks,

Joel

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Tue Jul 16, 2002 6:30 pm

How long did you let the Pecards soak in before you saw that it left a red smudge?

JohnNdy · Post by **JohnNdy** » Tue Jul 16, 2002 11:46 pm

Argh! I feel your pain! I made my bag strap and it also leaves smudges from the leather dye all over my shirts! I don't wear my bag anymore because of it. As per the advice of Michaelson, there should be a leather sealant on the Tandy leather website that might take care of this...I looked but didn't know which one to order. I was thinking about taking sand paper to my strap to sand down to a layer where the dye didn't penetrate to - although I don't know how deep it is stained. Regardless, pecards won't help in this case (one of the few times it won't

) no matter how long you let it dry. I pecarded mine about 2 months before going to Belize and Guatemala...and the strap really did a number on my shirts. If you look closely on some the stain is STILL visible. Anyway, sorry I didn't really offer much help, but I feel better having vented...

-John

jedijoel · Post by **jedijoel** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:17 am

Yeah, it has been about two months or so for mine I guess. I haven't ruined any shirts yet because I won't wear the bag until I know it won't stain. I guess I could check out the possibility of a sealer of some sort. I'm sorry to hear about your ruined shirts John, but I'm glad you could help me out before I did anything to mine. If I get something to work, I'll letcha know about it.

Regards,
Joel

Indiana Jess · Post by **Indiana Jess** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:32 am

You might want to consider using Acetone on the strap to remove some of the dye without damaging the leather.

Forrestal · Post by **Forrestal** » Sat Jul 20, 2002 10:59 am

I used a sealer from Tandy Leather called "Satin Shene Leather Finish" #22009-00. Works for me! No stains on my shirt yet. A 4 ounce bottle cost me $3.49. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Forrestal

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jul 22, 2002 3:12 pm

...and to restate advice given before....be careful using leathers that are used in items such as harness or animal restraining items (leashes) as those leather contain water soluable dyes that will release immediately upon getting damp. No amount of acetone or wetting will completely remove this dye as it's impregnated through the entire core of the leather and not applied on the surface. You need to obtain either sealed hide, or non dyed leather from a leather supply that can be dyed and sealed from scratch. That's why you'll find the MBA and Kepler straps usually unsealed or in the rough on the back side, as they are devoid of leather dyes, and will accept Pecards quite readily. But using pre-dyed harnass like leather will create this dye to shirt transfer everytime. Regards. Michaelson

Forrestal · Post by **Forrestal** » Mon Jul 22, 2002 3:30 pm

Michaelson makes a good point. It should be noted that my strap did infact start out un-dyed. I applied the dye to only one side of the strap, but I used the sealer on the entire thing. Just FYI
Regards,
Forrestal

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:39 pm

My advice, go with a Keppler and sleep well at night. Cheers

(grin)

Indiana John · Post by **Indiana John** » Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:29 pm

I agree...

the Keppler strap is the way to go, if you're looking to avoid the dye release problem.

<-- I wore mine at the recent summit (pictured left), specifically for that purpose, because I knew I'd be pretty sweaty. Rankini can vouch, it was hot outside!

-john

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Fri Jul 26, 2002 2:24 pm

My Keppler strap bleeds. (schwammy can attest to that) But it only happens when I'm outside and sweating.

Rabittooth · Post by **Rabittooth** » Fri Jul 26, 2002 4:46 pm

Indiana Texas-girl wrote:...But it only happens when I'm outside and sweating.

Don't you mean "glowing"?

If my Grandmother were to ever catch you admitting to sweating...my oh my...

-Rabittooth

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Sat Jul 27, 2002 1:52 am

Rabittooth wrote: Don't you mean "glowing"?

If my Grandmother were to ever catch you admitting to sweating...my oh my...

-Rabittooth

Oh yes, I meant "glowing". You'll have to excuse my poor manners. Is your grandmother from the South? Sounds like she has some Southern Charm in her.

Rabittooth · Post by **Rabittooth** » Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:22 am

Indiana Texas-girl wrote: Oh yes, I meant "glowing". You'll have to excuse my poor manners. Is your grandmother from the South? Sounds like she has some Southern Charm in her.

Nah...Charm she's got, but we're all Yankees... she's an Old School gal though...and they all attended that same old schoolhouse didn't they?

BTW...is it true that the term "Yankee" is derogatory in the South?

-Rabittooth

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Sat Jul 27, 2002 12:03 pm

Rabittooth wrote: BTW...is it true that the term "Yankee" is derogatory in the South?
-Rabittooth

Pretty much! Unfortunately, it's used as a term of disdain, which is why I don't use the term unless I'm talking about the baseball team.

Rabittooth · Post by **Rabittooth** » Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:27 pm

Indiana Texas-girl wrote:
Rabittooth wrote: BTW...is it true that the term "Yankee" is derogatory in the South?
-Rabittooth
Pretty much! Unfortunately, it's used as a term of disdain, which is why I don't use the term unless I'm talking about the baseball team.

Damnn Yankees!

-Rabittooth

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jul 29, 2002 5:00 pm

...in the South there are two types of Yankees....Yankees, and #### Yankees. The difference? Yankees come to visit, #### Yankees come to stay! (told to me by an old North Carolina cousin years ago).

Regards. Michaelson

jedijoel · Post by **jedijoel** » Tue Jul 30, 2002 5:50 pm

I used the super shene stuff and I think it did the trick. It really does make it look very shiny. So far no red marks, but only time will tell.
Joel

Forrestal · Post by **Forrestal** » Sun Aug 18, 2002 10:50 am

I used the Satin Shene. It's supposed to be less shinny. This stuff works! I wore my bag for 9 days straight in the sun and heat of Cape Cod and Boston in late july. Not a smudge on any of my shirts.
Regards,
Forrestal

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Sun Aug 18, 2002 11:42 am

I've never had trouble with my M.B.A. strap, as the underside of it is raw, unfinished leather. It stays in place when moving, and there is no dye to bleed onto my shirt. I'm considering a Keppler bag strap, but how can I be sure that it won't bleed? I'd appreciate any comments, pros or cons, from Keppler bag strap owners. Thanks guys.

-Dale

Forrestal · Post by **Forrestal** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 4:22 pm

I made my strap. A piece of 72" x 1" leather strap. Small bottle of chocolate brown dye. Small bottle of satin shene sealer. Dye it, let it dry, seal it ,let it dry, Pecard it, let it dry. All this stuff was from my local Tandy Leather store. For about $9.00 and 1/2 hour work ( not counting drying time) I was set.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards,
Forrestal

Jonesy · Post by **Jonesy** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 2:51 am

I have to agree with Rundquist and Fenderking, just order yourself a Keppler strap.

I have the ToD strap and couldn't be happier!! It's been though to #### and back with me and never had any problems!!

vulanth · Post by **vulanth** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 4:34 am

Have any of you guys ever tried taking a plain strip of undyed leather and saturating it in a pot of melted pecards? (just heat on the stove over low heat til it's liquid) After the leather dries, the color is perfect, I think. It softens up the stiff leather very nicely, and solves the dye problem. It's what I did for my strap. I'll take a picture of it if I can ever figure out where the digital camera got to.

Indiana Texas-girl · Post by **Indiana Texas-girl** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:30 am

Yikes! Let me get this right...
You put Pecards in cooking pot, heated to liquid state, and put your strap in there? Wasn't it kinda hard to get the Pecards out of the pot?

Rixter · Post by **Rixter** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 5:43 pm

The one I've seen posted on the old COW was:

http://www.tandyleather.com/

vulanth · Post by **vulanth** » Tue Sep 03, 2002 3:32 am

So long as you get the pecards out while it's still molten and very runny it ought to be easy. just don't let it cool. It'd a ##### to get out then. Of course, if it cools, you may always heat it back up. If there's a thin film of it left after pouring it out, you can just wipe it clean with a paper towel (again, easiest if the stuff is still hot and melted), and clean the pot as you normally would to get rid of any other residues that might still be there.

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